Ukraine Russia holds votes in occupied parts of Ukraine; Kyiv says residents coerced

[Scott]

 

KYIV, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Russia launched referendums on Friday aimed at annexing four occupied regions of Ukraine, drawing condemnation from Kyiv and Western nations who dismissed the votes as a sham and pledged not to recognise their results.

Ukrainian officials said people were banned from leaving some occupied areas until the four-day vote was over, armed groups were going into homes, and employees were threatened with the sack if they did not participate.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said in a nightly address that the votes would be "unequivocally condemned" by the world, along with the mobilisation Russia began this week, including in Crimea and other areas of Ukraine occupied by Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-marches-farther-into-liberated-lands-separatist-calls-urgent-referendum-2022-09-19/

 

[Rimmer]

Ukraine 'referendums': Soldiers go door-to-door for votes in polls

Ukrainians have reported armed soldiers going door-to-door in occupied parts of the country to collect votes for self-styled "referendums" on joining Russia.

"You have to answer verbally and the soldier marks the answer on the sheet and keeps it," one woman in Enerhodar told the BBC.

In southern Kherson, Russian guardsmen stood with a ballot box in the middle of the city to collect people's votes.

Read more:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63013356

 

 

[owl sees all]

IMO, we are at a pivotal point for world peace.

 

If the voting regions - as I fully expect them to do - vote to go with Russia, the west will be wondering what's next. Will Russia announce that the these regions will now be Russian? What would the west do if, or when, this happens?

 

 

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48 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

IMO, we are at a pivotal point for world peace.

 

If the voting regions - as I fully expect them to do - vote to go with Russia, the west will be wondering what's next. Will Russia announce that the these regions will now be Russian? What would the west do if, or when, this happens?

 

 

Why are you even doubting that Russians will annex these regions? That's the point of the fake elections.

[owl sees all]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

Why are you even doubting that Russians will annex these regions? That's the point of the fake elections.

IMO, the Russians will try to occupy the whole of the south. That will cut off access to the sea for Ukraine. The elections are fake according to western MSM. But are in fact happening.

 

I think there was the prospect of a peace deal before Boris J (ex UK PM) went to Ukraine and put a deal to Zelensky over even more support. Things went pear-shaped regarding peace after that.

 

As for Zelensky saying that the vote will be "unequivocally condemned by the world,", well, surely he means the western politicians and MSM. The 'west' is just 15% of the world in both area and population.

[Bkk Brian]

Russia doesn't even fully control all those regions which are having this fake referendum.

 

This is the only response that's needed:

 

“Ukraine has every right to liberate its territories and will keep liberating them whatever Russia has to say.”

 

World leaders denounce Russia over Ukraine invasion, referendum plans

“The Russians can do whatever they want. It will not change anything,” Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Tuesday in response to reporters' questions at the United Nations where leaders were arriving for a General Assembly meeting likely to be dominated by the war in Ukraine.

In a tweet, he added: “Ukraine has every right to liberate its territories and will keep liberating them whatever Russia has to say.”

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/09/21/World-leaders-denounce-Russia-over-Ukraine-invasion-referendum-plans

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1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

IMO, the Russians will try to occupy the whole of the south. That will cut off access to the sea for Ukraine. The elections are fake according to western MSM. But are in fact happening.

 

I think there was the prospect of a peace deal before Boris J (ex UK PM) went to Ukraine and put a deal to Zelensky over even more support. Things went pear-shaped regarding peace after that.

 

As for Zelensky saying that the vote will be "unequivocally condemned by the world,", well, surely he means the western politicians and MSM. The 'west' is just 15% of the world in both area and population.

i can see from your comments that you are watching the usual neofascist websites that support Putin.

What makes you think Russia didn't try to occupy the whole south? What makes you think that they didn't fail in that endeavor?

Negotiations that depend on Putin keeping his word are clearly suspect

Whether or not the vote is condemned by the world, it's clear that having elections in disputed territory during wartime is obviously invalid.

 

[owl sees all]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

i can see from your comments that you are watching the usual neofascist websites that support Putin.

What makes you think Russia didn't try to occupy the whole south? What makes you think that they didn't fail in that endeavor?

Negotiations that depend on Putin keeping his word are clearly suspect

Whether or not the vote is condemned by the world, it's clear that having elections in disputed territory during wartime is obviously invalid.

 

You would be wrong in that assumption Placeholder. I watch and listen to independent sources. If one was to watch just the western MSM, one would get a very distorted view.

 

Russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. The Ukraine forces on the other hand are - even as voting continues - are firing rocket indiscriminately into areas where there is no military presence. I have just listened to Ukrainian political commentator Dagny Taggart saying as much.

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1 minute ago, owl sees all said:

You would be wrong in that assumption Placeholder. I watch and listen to independent sources. If one was to watch just the western MSM, one would get a very distorted view.

 

Russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. The Ukraine forces on the other hand are - even as voting continues - are firing rocket indiscriminately into areas where there is no military presence. I have just listened to Ukrainian political commentator Dagny Taggart saying as much.

Please share with us these independent sources. Because they read exactly like the reports coming from rt.com.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

You would be wrong in that assumption Placeholder. I watch and listen to independent sources. If one was to watch just the western MSM, one would get a very distorted view.

 

Russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. The Ukraine forces on the other hand are - even as voting continues - are firing rocket indiscriminately into areas where there is no military presence. I have just listened to Ukrainian political commentator Dagny Taggart saying as much.

Dagny Taggart ???? I take it you just finished listening to her on the George Galloway show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLVs-Y5jYE

 

Well I suppose she needs her twitter follower count up a little, only 4,000 following at the moment.

 

 

 

[owl sees all]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Please share with us these independent sources. Because they read exactly like the reports coming from rt.com.

Oh yes! RT.

 

I had forgotten about them. Not watched for weeks. Thanks for the cue. I'll take a look  right now.

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13 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Oh yes! RT.

 

I had forgotten about them. Not watched for weeks. Thanks for the cue. I'll take a look  right now.

Amazing how the falsehoods you post exactly match those offered by RT.

[ballpoint]

Thanks to Putin's Ukraine invasion, we are now in a position to see what it would have been like had the internet existed in the late 1930s.  Social media ablaze with the likes of Ford, Mosley, Lindbergh, and other NAZI sympathisers and their followers.  All quoting Lord Haw Haw broadcasts and Viscount Rothermere articles as valid sources of their material.  No matter how low the cause, how tyrannical the man, there will always be a group along to defend it and him.

[Scott]

A post making unsubstantiated claims has been removed along with replies.

 

[kwonitoy]

On 9/25/2022 at 8:50 PM, owl sees all said:

You would be wrong in that assumption Placeholder. I watch and listen to independent sources. If one was to watch just the western MSM, one would get a very distorted view.

 

Russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. The Ukraine forces on the other hand are - even as voting continues - are firing rocket indiscriminately into areas where there is no military presence. I have just listened to Ukrainian political commentator Dagny Taggart saying as much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

https://www.state.gov/war-crimes-by-russias-forces-in-ukraine/

 

How anyone can make your claim above is beyond belief.

None so blind as those who will not see indeed

[Northstar1]

On 9/25/2022 at 10:50 PM, owl sees all said:

You would be wrong in that assumption Placeholder. I watch and listen to independent sources. If one was to watch just the western MSM, one would get a very distorted view.

 

Russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to an absolute minimum. The Ukraine forces on the other hand are - even as voting continues - are firing rocket indiscriminately into areas where there is no military presence. I have just listened to Ukrainian political commentator Dagny Taggart saying as much.

Lay off the crack pipe buddy!

russia has tried to keep civilian casualties to a minimum?

like the bucha massacres?

leveling Mariupol to the ground?

what an assenine comment!

get an education before you make a comment’

[Bkk Brian]

Scam results from scam referendums starting to come in:

 

Russia claims win in occupied Ukraine 'sham' referendums

Moscow-installed officials in the regions are now claiming almost total support among those who took part in the disputed votes on joining Russia.

News agencies run by the pro-Kremlin administrations in Donetsk and Luhansk are reporting that up to 99.23% of people voted in favour of joining Russia

Refugees scattered across Russia were also able to vote at dozens of polling stations, including in Crimea, a southern Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63052207

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Scam results from scam referendums starting to come in:

 

Russia claims win in occupied Ukraine 'sham' referendums

Moscow-installed officials in the regions are now claiming almost total support among those who took part in the disputed votes on joining Russia.

News agencies run by the pro-Kremlin administrations in Donetsk and Luhansk are reporting that up to 99.23% of people voted in favour of joining Russia

Refugees scattered across Russia were also able to vote at dozens of polling stations, including in Crimea, a southern Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63052207

Funerals for the 0.77% will be held next week.

[Bkk Brian]

U.S. asks UN Security Council to condemn Russia for 'sham' referendums in Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-propose-resolution-un-security-council-condemning-russia-over-referenda-2022-09-27/

 

Not sure if this is confirmed yet?

 

Kremlin decides not to rush annexation of occupied territories of Ukraine

The Kremlin has decided not to rush the official "accession" of the occupied territories of Ukraine to Russia, and to postpone the closing of Russia’s borders. The latter decision was approved in light of the growing discontent with "mobilisation" among Russian citizens.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/28/7369512/

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

According to this the announcement may still be on for the 30th Sept:

 

The Kremlin could temporarily postpone announcing the annexation of Russian-occupied Ukrainian territory to better prepare the Russian information space and administrative organization, although September 30 remains the most likely date for some kind of annexation announcement. 

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-28