Gweiloman Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Perhaps the DOJ would rather not tell the target of their investigation what they have in him until they bring charges. But the DOJ has already indicated the statutes violated (espionage act etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Perhaps the DOJ would rather not tell the target of their investigation what they have in him until they bring charges. I would have thought that Trump would have known what was in his safe and what was taken and didn't they also give him a list of what they took ? Is there any reason why they haven't bought any charges yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Gweiloman said: But the DOJ has already indicated the statutes violated (espionage act etc) Not an argument that they should release the findings of their investigation until they indict. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: There has been unambiguous factual evidence against him in so many different incidents (more than I can repeat here) but so far, all has come to nought. Mueller report, Ukraine, Jan 6, Georgia. Heck, they dare not even charge him. Only Peekaboo. She’s got more balls than Bragg. As long as Trump was President, he couldn't be criminally prosecuted. Now he can be. And he is certainly being seriously and strenuously investigated by the FBI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I would have thought that Trump would have known what was in his safe and what was taken and didn't they also give him a list of what they took ? Is there any reason why they haven't bought any charges yet ? Yes lots of reasons they've not brought charges yet not least they don't have full access to all the documents yet because of the motion for special master and the ongoing saga with that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes lots of reasons they've not brought charges yet not least they don't have full access to all the documents yet because of the motion for special master and the ongoing saga with that. Why do they need to have access ? They didn't have access last time and forced their way in . Why cant they force their way in again and then have excess to retrieve the documents ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I would have thought that Trump would have known what was in his safe and what was taken and didn't they also give him a list of what they took ? Is there any reason why they haven't bought any charges yet ? I would expect they have itemized documents but not stated the contents of the documents. Charges take time, Trump’s request for a special master slowed things down. From my own point of view, I’d love to see Trump indicted and sent to trial - I want it to happen - but I’m chilled, I’d much rather the DOJ took the time to build a water tight case than see them rush a case through that hasn’t been thoroughly checked and double checked. Chill, Justice is coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Why do they need to have access ? They didn't have access last time and forced their way in . Why cant they force their way in again and then have excess to retrieve the documents ? They did not ‘force their way in’. They lawfully executed a lawful search under a lawfully issued search warrant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: Why do they need to have access ? They didn't have access last time and forced their way in . Why cant they force their way in again and then have excess to retrieve the documents ? Oh come on read up on the court case going on https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/04/trump-supreme-court-ruling-classified-documents 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I would expect they have itemized documents but not stated the contents of the documents. Charges take time, Trump’s request for a special master slowed things down. From my own point of view, I’d love to see Trump indicted and sent to trial - I want it to happen - but I’m chilled, I’d much rather the DOJ took the time to build a water tight case than see them rush a case through that hasn’t been thoroughly checked and double checked. Chill, Justice is coming. We have kind of been waiting for the past seven years for Trump to get jailed for one reason or another , seems to be an endless list of reasons why he will "soon be jailed" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I would have thought that Trump would have known what was in his safe and what was taken and didn't they also give him a list of what they took ? Is there any reason why they haven't bought any charges yet ? For one thing, it's against DOJ policy to bring charges in a case with political ramifications 50 days before an election. For another, as you may recall, Judge Aileen "Loose" Cannon has appointed a special master to review the documents. While an appeals court panel rightly issued the judicial version of a rebuke for her denial to the Justice Dept of access to classified documents, there are lots of others to review. And keep in mind that it's a crime to take any any documents from the White House without NARA approval. So the documents that are still being reviewed may also be relevant to the investigation. Edited October 5, 2022 by placeholder 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: We have kind of been waiting for the past seven years for Trump to get jailed for one reason or another , seems to be an endless list of reasons why he will "soon be jailed" Four of those years he was beyond the reach of law being protected by a corrupt USAG. He’s no longer free from prosecution. Justice is coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Why do they need to have access ? They didn't have access last time and forced their way in . Why cant they force their way in again and then have excess to retrieve the documents ? The documents being referred to are the ones being scutinized by the Special Master. So it's not a question of "forcing their way in". Allthough I'm not aware that investigators "forced their way in" anywhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Four of those years he was beyond the reach of law being protected by a corrupt USAG. He’s no longer free from prosecution. Justice is coming. This point about his 4 years as President is so obvious it's bizarre that you had to mention it. But, apparently, it still needs to be mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: But the DOJ has already indicated the statutes violated (espionage act etc) Not quite , they are still investigating and nothing has been confirmed "The warrant authorizing the search says agents were investigating possible violations of three federal laws, including rules surrounding the gathering and transmission of defense information under the Espionage Act." https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: This point about his 4 years as President is so obvious it's bizarre that you had to mention it. But, apparently, it still needs to be mentioned. There was constant calls for Trump to be impeached during his four year Reign as POTUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: There was constant calls for Trump to be impeached during his four year Reign as POTUS Trump was impeached (twice), he just wasn’t convicted. Edited October 5, 2022 by Chomper Higgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, placeholder said: The documents being referred to are the ones being scutinized by the Special Master. So it's not a question of "forcing their way in". Allthough I'm not aware that investigators "forced their way in" anywhere. Its written in the Guardian , its true Donald Trump’s non-stop drive to paint the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago to recover classified documents as a political witch hunt https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/11/trump-mar-a-lago-witch-hunt-fbi-doj-safety 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Its written in the Guardian , its true Donald Trump’s non-stop drive to paint the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago to recover classified documents as a political witch hunt https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/11/trump-mar-a-lago-witch-hunt-fbi-doj-safety I’m not sure what point you are trying to make with that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Its written in the Guardian , its true Donald Trump’s non-stop drive to paint the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago to recover classified documents as a political witch hunt https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/11/trump-mar-a-lago-witch-hunt-fbi-doj-safety What does this have to do with your characterization that they "forced their way in". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m not sure what point you are trying to make with that post. That is was a raid and therefore it was a forced entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: There was constant calls for Trump to be impeached during his four year Reign as POTUS But nothing official until late in 2019 in the wake of his attempt to strongarm Zelensky to launch an investigation of Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That is was a raid and therefore it was a forced entry If it were a forced entry Trump would have plaster photos of broken locks and smashed doors all over his failing social media messaging service. There was no forced entry, there was no need for forced entry, the FEDs had a lawfully issued search warrant they had a right of entry. No evidence of ‘forced entry’ has been produced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, placeholder said: As long as Trump was President, he couldn't be criminally prosecuted. Now he can be. And he is certainly being seriously and strenuously investigated by the FBI. He could have been. It was just Bill Barr who said he couldn’t. I believe this was an opinion only. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I have zero expectation that people who are still supporting Trump will accept any indictment he might face. If Trump is sent to trial, they’ll not accept that either. And if Trump is convicted at trial, well of course that won’t be accepted either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Just now, Gweiloman said: He could have been. It was just Bill Barr who said he couldn’t. I believe this was an opinion only. No. It's been Justice Dept. policy for a long time that Presidents can't be criminally prosecuted. Not that this excuses Barr's lies about the Mueller Report which itself acknowledged that Presidents can't be prosecuted criminally while they're in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Yes lots of reasons they've not brought charges yet not least they don't have full access to all the documents yet because of the motion for special master and the ongoing saga with that. They had a good 2 weeks of going through all the documents before that alleged corrupt judge (heard that on MSNBC) decided on the special master. They could have indicted but I guess they wanted to build up the case further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: They had a good 2 weeks of going through all the documents before that alleged corrupt judge (heard that on MSNBC) decided on the special master. They could have indicted but I guess they wanted to build up the case further. We can observe for ourselves the level of blind obedience to Trump present amongst his supporters. The DOJ have very good reason to ensure they are absolutely sure of their case before asking a Grand Jury to indict. Added to which: Having found documents to be missing, the DOJ (and national security services) are surely investigating very serious risks to national security and perhaps crimes associated with those risks. Edited October 5, 2022 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 The way I see it, there will be either a civil war or the rule of law will be thrashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Gweiloman said: The way I see it, there will be either a civil war or the rule of law will be thrashed. I see a different outcome. The rule of law reaffirmed, and nobody above the law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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