1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Will he be charged? Lindsey Graham warned that there would be riots in the streets. So a toss up between rule of law and riots. Tough call.

Not a tough call at all. If 45's goobers riot, slaughter them. The terrorists on 6 Jan should have been napalmed. They were trying to overthrow the government. They are far more dangerous to the US than some al Qaeda jiihadi in the tribal regions of Pakistan, but we regularly send Hellfire missiles at those guys. We should do something similar to those who try to destroy the country.

 

Rule of law and democracy are the foundation of the experiment that is the US. NOBODY is above the law.

5 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Can you please tell us all exactly how many other ex presidents still have any White House records?

Who knows? Just because there are no reports of it doesn’t mean that it’s not happening or happened.

 

Didn’t another former President accuse another former President of having something like 30 million pages of classified documents and records? We should always take the words of presidents seriously. They were after all, at one time, the most powerful man in the world so they must be accorded due respect.

 

 

"They were after all, at one time, the most powerful man in the world so they must be accorded due respect."

So with power comes automatic respect? Do you apply the same for Hitler and Stalin as well?

A post that misquotes another member has been reported and removed.

 

 

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Will he be charged? Lindsey Graham warned that there would be riots in the streets. So a toss up between rule of law and riots. Tough call.

Remember that massive protest that was going to occur at Mar a Lago? I don't think that there were more reporters than protestors at the event but not a lot less either.

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

Not a tough call at all. If 45's goobers riot, slaughter them. The terrorists on 6 Jan should have been napalmed. They were trying to overthrow the government. They are far more dangerous to the US than some al Qaeda jiihadi in the tribal regions of Pakistan, but we regularly send Hellfire missiles at those guys. We should do something similar to those who try to destroy the country.

 

Rule of law and democracy are the foundation of the experiment that is the US. NOBODY is above the law.

Would you support a policy of killing all Trump supporters ?

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Due respect to a former President of the United States! Isn’t that normal for a proud patriot of any country? Or has the office of the presidency sunk to such a low level that even its own citizens don’t respect it?

There's a huge difference in respecting the office and giving automatic respect to to a lieing POS just because he holds an office. You should learn the difference between the two

45 stole nearly 12,000 documents, none of which he had any right to keep. While his Kim Jong-un love letters might have comforted him in his declining years, there is absolutely no reason why he should have stolen highly classified documents. The ONLY reason he might have done that is to use them for his benefit, either by selling them to the highest bidder or as a bargaining chip---threatening to publish them---if he is indicted for any of the myriad criminal activities in which he engaged. There are no other possible explanations. That any repub supports him is as clear an indication as there is that that Party is corrupt and un-American, even treasonous.

 

Right now DoJ is prevented from studying the 11,000+ documents that should be with NARA. As for the several hundred classified documents he stole, 45 is now trying to appeal to what he hopes is a corrupt Supreme Court and prevent DoJ and the intel community from studying the classified, non-NARA docs in order to assess what damage may have been done and what threats to US national security or clandestine assets and programs exist. To try to block that, as 45 is doing with his appeal to the Supreme Court, is further proof that he couldn't care less about the US or national security, and that everything is always and only about him.

 

What an absolutely vile and revolting pile of rancid excrement that bloated bozo is !

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you support a policy of killing all Trump supporters ?

Only the dumb ones..........

16 hours ago, Dan O said:

Yes I see you count yourself as a fan and that explains a lot.

 

Try reading up on him first and then decide if you want to lie in bed with him.

The bigger decision for his closest fans is if they want to lie in a courthouse with him.

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you support a policy of killing all Trump supporters ?

Speaking for myself only those who try to overthrow democracy by overturning election results. 

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

45 stole nearly 12,000 documents, none of which he had any right to keep. While his Kim Jong-un love letters might have comforted him in his declining years, there is absolutely no reason why he should have stolen highly classified documents. The ONLY reason he might have done that is to use them for his benefit, either by selling them to the highest bidder or as a bargaining chip---threatening to publish them---if he is indicted for any of the myriad criminal activities in which he engaged. There are no other possible explanations. That any repub supports him is as clear an indication as there is that that Party is corrupt and un-American, even treasonous.

 

Right now DoJ is prevented from studying the 11,000+ documents that should be with NARA. As for the several hundred classified documents he stole, 45 is now trying to appeal to what he hopes is a corrupt Supreme Court and prevent DoJ and the intel community from studying the classified, non-NARA docs in order to assess what damage may have been done and what threats to US national security or clandestine assets and programs exist. To try to block that, as 45 is doing with his appeal to the Supreme Court, is further proof that he couldn't care less about the US or national security, and that everything is always and only about him.

 

What an absolutely vile and revolting pile of rancid excrement that bloated bozo is !

Any links to back any of that up?

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Any links to back any of that up?

What matters of fact do you have a problem with? That there weren't nearly 12,000 documents?

 

5 hours ago, Walker88 said:

45 stole nearly 12,000 documents, none of which he had any right to keep. While his Kim Jong-un love letters might have comforted him in his declining years, there is absolutely no reason why he should have stolen highly classified documents. The ONLY reason he might have done that is to use them for his benefit, either by selling them to the highest bidder or as a bargaining chip---threatening to publish them---if he is indicted for any of the myriad criminal activities in which he engaged. There are no other possible explanations. That any repub supports him is as clear an indication as there is that that Party is corrupt and un-American, even treasonous.

 

There are people who know and loathe Trump well who offerwhat I think is a more believable explanation. It's about Trump's resentment at losing and being dislodged from the White House. This was his way of asserting that he's still the legitimate President and his way of trolling his successor.  Keep in mind that he's basically a seething ball of resentment.

Just now, placeholder said:

What matters of fact do you have a problem with? That there weren't nearly 12,000 documents?

 

There are people who know and loathe Trump well who offerwhat I think is a more believable explanation. It's about Trump's resentment at losing and being dislodged from the White House. This was his way of asserting that he's still the legitimate President and his way of trolling his successor.  Keep in mind that he's basically a seething ball of resentment.

I should add that there were also the souvenirs that could be shown off like the letters (or was it a letter?) from Kim. KInd of like a golf trophy. Apparently, Trump's caddies gave him the nickname of Pelé.

56 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I should add that there were also the souvenirs that could be shown off like the letters (or was it a letter?) from Kim. KInd of like a golf trophy. Apparently, Trump's caddies gave him the nickname of Pelé.

Some of them already published in SK, but there may be others....

https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-self-described-love-letters-223355294.html

Edited October 7, 20223 yr by candide

Court accidentally unsealed, then deleted, documents from the Mar-a-Lago case describing information the FBI seized from Trump

 

"The logs, shared by Bloomberg, describe a trove of documents that include government records and communications from outside parties, including handwritten notes by Trump while on phone calls. Others describe medical records and legal documents Justice Department officials believe should be excluded from the investigation."

https://www.businessinsider.com/log-mar-a-lago-docs-posted-online-court-filing-deleted-2022-10?r=US&IR=T

 

I wonder which ones Trump wanted to hide?

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Some of them already published in SK, but there may be others....

https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-self-described-love-letters-223355294.html

Kim's last letter to Trump, kinda of broke of their love affair ????

 

“As of now, it is very difficult for me and my people to understand the decision and behavior of you and South Korean authorities,” read Kim’s letter, dated Aug. 5, 2019.

Kim expressed how “offended” he was by the “paranoid” war exercises jointly conducted by the U.S. and South Korean soldiers.

“As your excellency indicated at some point, we have a strong military … and it is a matter of common knowledge that the [South Korean] armed forces are no match for our military,” Kim added.

Thought not. I'll be in the bar for happy hour.

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Kim's last letter to Trump, kinda of broke of their love affair ????

 

“As of now, it is very difficult for me and my people to understand the decision and behavior of you and South Korean authorities,” read Kim’s letter, dated Aug. 5, 2019.

Kim expressed how “offended” he was by the “paranoid” war exercises jointly conducted by the U.S. and South Korean soldiers.

“As your excellency indicated at some point, we have a strong military … and it is a matter of common knowledge that the [South Korean] armed forces are no match for our military,” Kim added.

I wonder if they are as strong as Russia's.......wondering for my pet bullfrog..

On 10/2/2022 at 6:46 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I read this as a sly admission that the unprecedented storming of an ex Presidents residence and riffling of his wife's lingerie drawers(although most will have realized this once the desperate leaks started) was a complete failure. Once again they tried to kill the king, and once again they missed. They did not find what they were looking for.

 To be honest, I welcome the ending of the tacit agreement not to harass ex Presidents and their children. It will provide a huge source of amusement in the near future. Thanks Biden.

Don't worry Sunny,   It's far from over.

5 hours ago, xylophone said:

Only the dumb ones..........

So you actually mean all of them then!

41 minutes ago, DezLez said:

So you actually mean all of them then!

Not sure. There may be a significant share of conscious liars too.

Oh look, the Russian connection pops up again, Trump came up with an idea last year to cut a deal with the National Archives. In exchange for documents about the FBI investigation into his 2016 campaign's ties to Russia, he told advisers, he would return material he took from the White House.

 

How Trump Deflected Demands for Documents, Enmeshing Aides

Late last year, as the National Archives ratcheted up the pressure on former President Donald J. Trump to return boxes of records he had taken from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago club, he came up with an idea to resolve the looming showdown: cut a deal.

Mr. Trump, still determined to show he had been wronged by the F.B.I. investigation into his 2016 campaign’s ties to Russia, was angry with the National Archives and Records Administration for its unwillingness to hand over a batch of sensitive documents that he thought proved his claims.

In exchange for those documents, Mr. Trump told advisers, he would return to the National Archives the boxes of material he had taken to Mar-a-Lago, in Palm Beach, Fla.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/us/politics/trump-documents-lawyers.html

No paywall archive link

The hits just keep on coming for the Orange Man

 

His' goose is cooked': Legal experts say new Trump bombshell is ‘aggravating factor’ that makes an indictment more likely (msn.com)

 

"A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of the former president, according to people familiar with the investigation, who say the witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Donald Trump’s behavior as investigators sought the return of classified material," 

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The hits just keep on coming for the Orange Man

 

His' goose is cooked': Legal experts say new Trump bombshell is ‘aggravating factor’ that makes an indictment more likely (msn.com)

 

"A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of the former president, according to people familiar with the investigation, who say the witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Donald Trump’s behavior as investigators sought the return of classified material," 

He probably moves boxes every day.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He probably moves boxes every day.

I doubt he lies to the FBI everyday as he did in this case

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

He probably moves boxes every day.

Nno one was supposed to touch those boxes. So maybe this guy just moves boxes around for fun and on his own inititiative removed them from the storage area. That might even sound likely to some. At least to the kind of person who thinks it's rational to assume that he probably moves boxes every day.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

Nno one was supposed to touch those boxes. So maybe this guy just moves boxes around for fun and on his own inititiative removed them from the storage area. That might even sound likely to some. At least to the kind of person who thinks it's rational to assume that he probably moves boxes every day.

Well, I'll just leave you to contemplate that one further then.

Just saw this Conway video.  The Orangeman is indeed in a heap of trouble that could end up with him having an orange suit to match his complexion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/george-conway-shortest-distance-between-trump-and-orange-jump-suit-is-documents-case/vi-AA12UMaX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=845bb875f5414cffabcfe1cdbcfe1e98&category=foryou

“Where’s the beef? I need some beef,” US District Senior Judge Raymond Dearie told the attorneys during a telephone status hearing Tuesday.

Dearie also suggested there was a “certain incongruity” to Trump’s lawyers claiming so far that at least one document was both personal to Trump and covered by executive privilege, a protection that applies to government information. ????

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-special-master-says-no-171409213.html

 

3 hours ago, candide said:

“Where’s the beef? I need some beef,” US District Senior Judge Raymond Dearie told the attorneys during a telephone status hearing Tuesday.

Dearie also suggested there was a “certain incongruity” to Trump’s lawyers claiming so far that at least one document was both personal to Trump and covered by executive privilege, a protection that applies to government information. ????

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-special-master-says-no-171409213.html

 

Trump hires only the "best people". Unfortunately for the best people, they have the worst client.