Hunter Biden has a potential defense to felony firearms indictment that he may use.

DOJ fears Hunter Biden could use past drug addiction as defense in gun case 
"Federal prosecutors who are weighing whether to bring charges against Hunter Biden for tax crimes and making a false statement to purchase a gun are reportedly concerned that the drug addiction that makes one case for them could provide a defense in the other."

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/prosecutors-fear-hunter-biden-could-use-past-drug-addiction-as-defense/

 

Peculiar and seemingly daft way to craft criminal defense strategy as voluntary intoxication is not defense where I come from.

7 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Hunter Biden has a potential defense to felony firearms indictment that he may use.

DOJ fears Hunter Biden could use past drug addiction as defense in gun case 
"Federal prosecutors who are weighing whether to bring charges against Hunter Biden for tax crimes and making a false statement to purchase a gun are reportedly concerned that the drug addiction that makes one case for them could provide a defense in the other."

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/prosecutors-fear-hunter-biden-could-use-past-drug-addiction-as-defense/

 

Peculiar and seemingly daft way to craft criminal defense strategy as voluntary intoxication is not defense where I come from.

Has Hunters defense used it or is it just another speculation by the NYPost?

28 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Hunter Biden has a potential defense to felony firearms indictment that he may use.

DOJ fears Hunter Biden could use past drug addiction as defense in gun case 
"Federal prosecutors who are weighing whether to bring charges against Hunter Biden for tax crimes and making a false statement to purchase a gun are reportedly concerned that the drug addiction that makes one case for them could provide a defense in the other."

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/prosecutors-fear-hunter-biden-could-use-past-drug-addiction-as-defense/

 

Peculiar and seemingly daft way to craft criminal defense strategy as voluntary intoxication is not defense where I come from.

I don’t think the DOJ under its current leadership fears anything.

1 hour ago, candide said:

It had all the attributes of a Russian disinformation: found by a right-winger coming up with a strange story; brought by Giuliani (known for misinformation and his pro-Russia informers), only given to one single biased right-wing media, and not to all media, no metadata, etc... if the disclosers wanted to make it look like a disinformation, they could not have done it better!

 

Not to mention the reputation of Trump and the right-wing from diffusing fake news and conspiracy theories: birtherism, pizzagate, etc..., including coming from Russia (INC/Crowdstrike). Not to mention either the Russian attempts to influence the previous elections.

 

When people have a proven record of lying, they should be surprised when no one believes them.

In addition to which, when information like this is brought to reporters they generally want to investigate it first to make sure it's true. But these emails were published without reporters performing due diligence. In fact, the reporter that the New York post originally assigned to the story refused to carry through with it on those grounds. Releasing these emails as an October surprise would naturally arouse suspicions of any but the most credulous.

36 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

It will all eventually come out in the wash during the planned, looming congressional investigations after mid term elections. America has a right to know if Biden is compromised.

 

House Republicans ask banks, Treasury for information on Biden family finances
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-hunter-biden-family-finances-banks-treasury/

 

Republican says Treasury restricting access to suspicious activity reports on Hunter Biden
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/hunter-biden-payments-republican-james-comer-yellen
 

Is the Washington Examiner a reputable source of news........no, it is not really a “news source.”

 

They merely take the news from other popular resources, and then re-write it, adding a conservative “spin” to the event. It is a propaganda tool, designed to sway people’s opinion.

 

It currently ranks as at the “far right” to “extremist” in ranking, according to Media Bias Fact Check.

 

“They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

 

When it comes to the reporting of facts, they were given a rating of “Mixed.”

 

This means they do on occasion report some facts (but always with a spin). They have also been caught publishing fictional stories, or outright lies.

 

They are one of the worst examples of media, and they cannot be described as “news” because of the fictional items and the lies.

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Is the Washington Examiner a reputable source of news........no, it is not really a “news source.”

 

They merely take the news from other popular resources, and then re-write it, adding a conservative “spin” to the event. It is a propaganda tool, designed to sway people’s opinion.

 

It currently ranks as at the “far right” to “extremist” in ranking, according to Media Bias Fact Check.

 

“They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

 

When it comes to the reporting of facts, they were given a rating of “Mixed.”

 

This means they do on occasion report some facts (but always with a spin). They have also been caught publishing fictional stories, or outright lies.

 

They are one of the worst examples of media, and they cannot be described as “news” because of the fictional items and the lies.

It's owned by Philip Anschutz, a very right wing billionaire.

On 10/12/2022 at 1:08 PM, xylophone said:

Is the Washington Examiner a reputable source of news........no, it is not really a “news source.”

 

They merely take the news from other popular resources, and then re-write it, adding a conservative “spin” to the event. It is a propaganda tool, designed to sway people’s opinion.

 

It currently ranks as at the “far right” to “extremist” in ranking, according to Media Bias Fact Check.

 

“They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

 

When it comes to the reporting of facts, they were given a rating of “Mixed.”

 

This means they do on occasion report some facts (but always with a spin). They have also been caught publishing fictional stories, or outright lies.

 

They are one of the worst examples of media, and they cannot be described as “news” because of the fictional items and the lies.

ok, if you insist.

I can help you out a little here.

 

House Republican says Treasury won't hand over Hunter Biden documents unless Democrats join request

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-treasury-documents/

 

"Committee Republicans are investigating whether this change in longstanding policy is motivated by efforts to shield Hunter Biden and potentially President Biden from scrutiny," Comer wrote.

Comer's May letter cited a CBS News report that more than 150 financial transactions involving the global business affairs of either Hunter Biden or the president's brother James Biden were flagged as concerning by U.S. banks for further review. Large wire transfers were among the transactions flagged.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newspolitics/house-republican-says-treasury-won-t-provide-hunter-biden-s-financial-docs/ar-AAZhrTn

 

 

The good news is, all this slow-walking will end after a GOP congress commences their investigations (complete with subpoena powers) into the suspected Biden corruption. These 150 suspicious/flagged international wire transfer records will be obtained, dissected and reported to the public. Real simple, and real effective.

8 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

ok, if you insist.

I can help you out a little here.

House Republican says Treasury won't hand over Hunter Biden documents unless Democrats join request

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-treasury-documents/

Considering the current right-wing propaganda campaign about Hunter by distorting facts and by fake news, it is understandable they may not want documents to be used in such a distorted way,  and would hand them over only to a House committee.

 

Note that if it's only about oversight and not about propaganda,  House reps are still allowed to investigate by reviewing these records:

Quote:

"Congressional staffers can now only review those records in-person and cannot make copies."

54 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Is the Washington Examiner a reputable source of news........no, it is not really a “news source.”

 

They merely take the news from other popular resources, and then re-write it, adding a conservative “spin” to the event. It is a propaganda tool, designed to sway people’s opinion.

 

It currently ranks as at the “far right” to “extremist” in ranking, according to Media Bias Fact Check.

 

“They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

 

When it comes to the reporting of facts, they were given a rating of “Mixed.”

 

This means they do on occasion report some facts (but always with a spin). They have also been caught publishing fictional stories, or outright lies.

 

They are one of the worst examples of media, and they cannot be described as “news” because of the fictional items and the lies.

Reference to the Washington Examiner seems acceptable here.

 

Off topic baiting posts about the Trump and the replies have been removed.

2 hours ago, bocaBob said:

Hunter Biden has a potential defense to felony firearms indictment that he may use.

DOJ fears Hunter Biden could use past drug addiction as defense in gun case 
"Federal prosecutors who are weighing whether to bring charges against Hunter Biden for tax crimes and making a false statement to purchase a gun are reportedly concerned that the drug addiction that makes one case for them could provide a defense in the other."

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/prosecutors-fear-hunter-biden-could-use-past-drug-addiction-as-defense/

 

Peculiar and seemingly daft way to craft criminal defense strategy as voluntary intoxication is not defense where I come from.

A pity you didn't actually read the article. At least your comment betrays no evidence that you did. It's pretty clear why the drug use could be relevant to the defense

"Meanwhile, Barbara McQuade, a former US attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, noted that prosecutors needed to prove high criminal intent for a tax crime case.

Tax violations require the highest level of criminal intent, willfulness, that is, the government must prove that the person not only knew what he was doing, but that he knew it was illegal,” McQuade said.:

https://nypost.com/2022/10/07/prosecutors-fear-hunter-biden-could-use-past-drug-addiction-as-defense/

 

This is the same reason why it could be difficult to bring a criminal case against Trump on charges of tax fraud. In Biden's case because his brain was addled by drugs and in the other case because the brain is addled without any outside assistance.

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why would Biden have needed to hire teams of lawyers? He had the entire deep state and mainstream media working dishonestly to protect him. Do you remember this? The countries top 50 intelligence experts colluding to push an entirely false narrative to shield the Biden family from the law and to misinform the public just before an election. People were banned from the internet for stating the facts about this, even our oldest newspaper, banned for stating inconvenient truths. Really really evil stuff. Even though the FBI had the laptop, dishonest lefties were trying to shut down the discussion by making nonsensical comments about the emails lacking "metadata" to goad censors(or give them a plausible excuse) into censoring a factual story that did not suit the democrat narrative. Just a really low point in America's history.

 

"Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

Given the absolute certainty and mountain of supporting evidence for the felony crime that Hunter lied on his firearm license by stating he was not a drug addict, when his own memoir and emails stated he was, and also he himself stated he was in frequent interviews. And so dangerous his throwing a gun into a waste basket in public. Nobody denies he committed a felony here. It's shocking behaviour, but no desire whatsoever to mete out any justice to the Bidens. Just forget it.

Deep state, Pizzagate, Jewish space lasers.......

For the MAGA cultists the way out of the rabbit hole is gonna be a long one. Sadly, most of them won't make it.

1 hour ago, bocaBob said:

ok, if you insist.

I can help you out a little here.

House Republican says Treasury won't hand over Hunter Biden documents unless Democrats join request

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-treasury-documents/

 

"Committee Republicans are investigating whether this change in longstanding policy is motivated by efforts to shield Hunter Biden and potentially President Biden from scrutiny," Comer wrote.

Comer's May letter cited a CBS News report that more than 150 financial transactions involving the global business affairs of either Hunter Biden or the president's brother James Biden were flagged as concerning by U.S. banks for further review. Large wire transfers were among the transactions flagged.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newspolitics/house-republican-says-treasury-won-t-provide-hunter-biden-s-financial-docs/ar-AAZhrTn

 

 

The good news is, all this slow-walking will end after a GOP congress commences their investigations (complete with subpoena powers) into the suspected Biden corruption. These 150 suspicious/flagged international wire transfer records will be obtained, dissected and reported to the public. Real simple, and real effective.

"Real simple, and real effective."

 

Yep, a real nothing burger.....

A post with a pair of off-topic news reports mostly focusing on issues other than Hunter Biden --  the topic of this thread -- have been removed.

 

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Good link. As suspect, everything alleged without real evidence just like your post. Next. 

 

Extract from the link below. 

 

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement,” the letter reads. But, it continues, “there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.”

Way behind the current status. Proven as false.

 

MSNBC, CNN intelligence pundits who called Hunter Biden laptop ‘Russian disinformation’ yet to correct record

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-intelligence-pundits-insisted-hunter-bidens-laptop-russian-disinformation

 

 

Edited October 12, 20223 yr by onthedarkside
partisan opinion article, non-news report removed

More off-topic and trolling posts have been removed.

 

Continue with further off-topic and trolling posts, and suspensions will be issued.

Not sure why the intelligence community would need to disavow their opinions expressed back in 2020, based on the info that was available at that time... considering:

 

"The former Trump administration officials who signed the letter include Russ Travers, who served as National Counterterrorism Center acting director; Glenn Gerstell, the former NSA general counsel; Rick Ledgett, the former deputy NSA director; Marc Polymeropoulos, a retired CIA senior operations officer; and Cynthia Strand, who served as the CIA’s deputy assistant director for global issues."

 

And, what that group of officials actually said in their letter was:

 

"“We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement,” the letter reads. But, it continues, “there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.”

 

“Such an operation would be consistent with Russian objectives, as outlined publicly and recently by the Intelligence Community, to create political chaos in the United States and to deepen political divisions here but also to undermine the candidacy of former Vice President Biden and thereby help the candidacy of President Trump,” the letter reads.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

3 hours ago, bocaBob said:

ok, if you insist.

I can help you out a little here.

House Republican says Treasury won't hand over Hunter Biden documents unless Democrats join request

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-treasury-documents/

 

"Committee Republicans are investigating whether this change in longstanding policy is motivated by efforts to shield Hunter Biden and potentially President Biden from scrutiny," Comer wrote.

Comer's May letter cited a CBS News report that more than 150 financial transactions involving the global business affairs of either Hunter Biden or the president's brother James Biden were flagged as concerning by U.S. banks for further review. Large wire transfers were among the transactions flagged.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newspolitics/house-republican-says-treasury-won-t-provide-hunter-biden-s-financial-docs/ar-AAZhrTn

 

 

The good news is, all this slow-walking will end after a GOP congress commences their investigations (complete with subpoena powers) into the suspected Biden corruption. These 150 suspicious/flagged international wire transfer records will be obtained, dissected and reported to the public. Real simple, and real effective.

So, if I understand well, you are advocating that, in case Hunter is not found guilty enough by a court (his financial activity is currently officially investigated, by a Trump appointee), he should be then be judged by the court of Public opinion, by disclosing his financial transactions with prostitutes to the public?

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Not sure why the intelligence community would need to disavow their opinions expressed back in 2020, based on the info that was available at that time... considering:

 

"The former Trump administration officials who signed the letter include Russ Travers, who served as National Counterterrorism Center acting director; Glenn Gerstell, the former NSA general counsel; Rick Ledgett, the former deputy NSA director; Marc Polymeropoulos, a retired CIA senior operations officer; and Cynthia Strand, who served as the CIA’s deputy assistant director for global issues."

 

And, what that group of officials actually said in their letter was:

 

"“We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement,” the letter reads. But, it continues, “there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.”

 

“Such an operation would be consistent with Russian objectives, as outlined publicly and recently by the Intelligence Community, to create political chaos in the United States and to deepen political divisions here but also to undermine the candidacy of former Vice President Biden and thereby help the candidacy of President Trump,” the letter reads.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

 

 

Obviously, who would trust anything brought up by Giuliani on face value?

Joe Biden defends son Hunter when asked about his troubles and Republican attacks

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/joe-biden-defends-hunter-biden-son-troubles-gop-scrutiny

 

All good here according to Biden.

13 hours ago, bocaBob said:

Biden family overseas financial activities will  be revealed soon for public viewing after the GOP controls congress in Jan 2023 and the planned investigations of the oversight committee with subpoena powers focus on Hunter Biden & the Biden family to determine if Joe Biden is compromised.

 

Everything (including potential nothing burgers) will be shown during televised investigations with witness’s under oath testifying before congress. Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, James Comer et al, will pose the hard questions and get to the truth real quick.
The American public has a right to know if the government, including Biden are corrupt. Mark it on your calendars.

Why this obsession with public viewing? Hunter is currently being investigated by a Republican prosecutor in relation with the IRS. 

Why should a private citizen who is neither a politician nor employed by the government be investigated by a House committee? And on matters which are not public matters?

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's pretty clear why the drug use could be relevant to the defense

Unless Biden can prove someone forcibly stuck a crack pipe full of crack into his mouth and forced him against his will to get high by smoking crack or some other drug, then maybe, but voluntary intoxication is not a defense to a criminal offense as is "ignorance" is also not a defense.

He will likely plead guilty, pay fines, home confinement, something like that.

5 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Unless Biden can prove someone forcibly stuck a crack pipe full of crack into his mouth and forced him against his will to get high by smoking crack or some other drug, then maybe, but voluntary intoxication is not a defense to a criminal offense as is "ignorance" is also not a defense.

He will likely plead guilty, pay fines, home confinement, something like that.

As that expert pointed out, in criminal tax cases, it has to be proved that someone knew they were violating the law. It's actually a pretty tough bar to clear. And as that article pointed out, that may be why they're not going after Hunter Biden on the weapon charge. Of course, it could be that those lefties at the NY Post are purposely misreporting the facts.

16 minutes ago, candide said:

Why this obsession with public viewing? Hunter is currently being investigated by a Republican prosecutor in relation with the IRS. 

Why should a private citizen who is neither a politician nor employed by the government be investigated by a House committee? And on matters which are not public matters?

Transparency, truth, facts, it should be a priority for all. Surely you don't have a problem with the truth? Joe Biden is an elected govt official working for the people and owes nothing less than full transparency to the people. If a prima facia case of the Biden pay for play scheme is brought forth during congressional oversight investigations of Hunter Biden, people have right to know.

 

Edited October 12, 20223 yr by bocaBob

This gun case is actually interesting and paradoxal. Hunter may be accused of lying to the government because he declared he was not using drugs when he bought the gun. However, he  may also avoid being convicted because he was using drugs.

1 minute ago, candide said:

This gun case is actually interesting and paradoxal. Hunter may be accused of lying to the government because he declared he was not using drugs when he bought the gun. However, he  may also avoid being convicted because he was using drugs.

Avoid being convicted for tax evasion, not for possessing a weapon.

7 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Transparency, truth, facts, it should be a priority for all. Surely you don't have a problem with the truth? Joe Biden is an elected govt official working for the people and owes nothing less than full transparency to the people. If a prima facia case of the Biden pay for play scheme is brought forth during congressional oversight investigations of Hunter Biden, people have right to know.

 

The DOJ under the previous administration investigated Hunter Biden for almost 3 years. Almost 2 of those years were under William Barr, perhaps the most highly politically partisan attorney general ever in modern times Yet the DOJ found nothing to tie Joe Biden to his son.

Edited October 12, 20223 yr by placeholder

 

Some noteworthy and suspicious events have cast the obvious suspicions on the Biden families business activities. Without oversight scrutiny corruption festers and spreads. Investigation of Hunter and the Biden's involved will provide critical answers!

 

"Hunter Biden’s closest business partner made at least 19 visits to the White House and other official locations between 2009 and 2015, including a sitdown with then-Vice President Joe Biden in the West Wing."

 

https://nypost.com/2022/04/23/joe-biden-met-with-hunter-biden-business-partner-at-the-white-house/

 

Video reference: MSN_fox

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hunter-biden-business-partner-made-8-additional-white-house-visits-in-2016-visitor-logs-show/ar-AAWCGEH

 

3 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Transparency, truth, facts, it should be a priority for all. Surely you don't have a problem with the truth? Joe Biden is an elected govt official working for the people and owes nothing less than full transparency to the people. If a prima facia case of the Biden pay for play scheme is brought forth during congressional oversight investigations of Hunter Biden, people have right to know.

 

What truth? What has Joe Biden done that deserves an investigation? What is hidden? His tax information has been published for 22 years and everyone can check it (unlike another politician I will not cite). 

13 hours ago, bocaBob said:

Some noteworthy and suspicious events have cast the obvious suspicions on the Biden families business activities. Without oversight scrutiny corruption festers and spreads. Investigation of Hunter and the Biden's involved will provide critical answers!

 

"Hunter Biden’s closest business partner made at least 19 visits to the White House and other official locations between 2009 and 2015, including a sitdown with then-Vice President Joe Biden in the West Wing."

 

https://nypost.com/2022/04/23/joe-biden-met-with-hunter-biden-business-partner-at-the-white-house/

Again, you have nothing. What has Joe Biden done apart from shaking hands. There is no matter related to these partners which Biden could have influenced. They have not got a procurement from the government, they have not got a special authorisation from the government. All their business activities were related to private firms, not related to government.