Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, robblok said:

I stayed out of this as not to add to my supposed UK hating image. But been reading and the UK is indeed doing worse then the EU. Brexit is part of it but to think that Brexiteers would admit to it is naive. People are set in their minds.

 

But there are quite a few former Brexiteers among fishermen that have changed their mind. Seen some documentaries about it. The benefits just did not appear. 

 

Not that its all roses and rainbows in the EU, that latest corruption scandal is a good example. I just see the EU as a good thing overal with drawbacks. Countries will always go for what they want and that makes the EU hard to control. 

 

Plus of course its easy to blame the EU for everything by politicians instead of admitting they dropped the ball on certain regulations. Like in my country with their nitrogen rules. Now they blame the EU instead of themselves for years of inactivity. Now it has to be rushed and problems arise. 

 

It will always be easy to find faults in governments and the EU. In the UK you had that disaster that whipped out a lot of money and goodwill (Truss and her economic plans). Same goes for the EU there will always be problems and idiots.

 

Brexit is done that is not going to change lets see what will be done to cushion the blows. But its a big difference from all the benefits that were touted and did not happen. Now all what can be done is try navigate the fallout.

 

Time isn’t on the side of Brexit.

 

Disease, cold winters and collapsing health services are only adding to the inevitable demise of Brexit support:

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/will-support-for-brexit-become-extinct/

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well , apart from the fact that the UK isn't doing worse than the E.U, its doing about average , in the middle and Brexiteers realise that Brexit may have been responsible for some of the UKs woes, but the main and by far the largest reason is Covid and Ukraine 

It's the EU boarder thing with Ireland i don't understand how can a line in the sea cause so much trouble, move the flogging boarder line, can't be that difficult. 

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

It's the EU boarder thing with Ireland i don't understand how can a line in the sea cause so much trouble, move the flogging boarder line, can't be that difficult. 

You need to take that question to the Tories and the NI Unionists.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You need to take that question to the Tories and the NI Unionists.

 

Well with the risk of pointing the finger at the EU, isn't it the EU being inon-flexible to resolve the situation. 

 

Surely a boat can leave UK and go to Nth Ireland without a problem. 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well with the risk of pointing the finger at the EU, isn't it the EU being inon-flexible to resolve the situation. 

 

Surely a boat can leave UK and go to Nth Ireland without a problem. 

No it’s not the EU being inflexible, it’s the Unionists and the extremists is the Tory Party.

 

They want a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and N. Ireland, this isn’t going to happen.

[johnnybangkok]

54 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

It's the EU boarder thing with Ireland i don't understand how can a line in the sea cause so much trouble, move the flogging boarder line, can't be that difficult. 

NI is yet another example of how badly thought out Brexit was. 

 

Everyone could see that N.I. is attached to Eire and therefore needed some sort of border, but equally, everyone understood the importance of NOT erecting a hard border. This was gone over time and time again at the time of Brexit yet all the Tories could do was kick the issue down the road to 'hopefully' get sorted 'later'. The 'solution' came in the form of The Northern Island Protocol which was initially agreed but the Tories now want to go back on. All the Tories can say is the EU is being unreasonable when it's actually them that have gone back on an already agreed and negotiated trade agreement. In the meantime, the UK's international credentials take yet another massive hit as amazingly enough, countries don't take too kindly to other countries welching on their deals.

 

It still hasn't been sorted and will remain a major problem with no clear solution for quite some time. Yeah for Brexit! 

[johnnybangkok]

22 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Well with the risk of pointing the finger at the EU, isn't it the EU being inon-flexible to resolve the situation. 

 

Surely a boat can leave UK and go to Nth Ireland without a problem. 

Why am I not surprised you are blaming the EU and why do you not even know about all of this? You are just your typical Brexiter; big on emotions - small on facts and details.

 

Here, educate yourself - https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53724381 

[candide]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Time isn’t on the side of Brexit.

 

Disease, cold winters and collapsing health services are only adding to the inevitable demise of Brexit support:

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/will-support-for-brexit-become-extinct/

BTW, there is an interesting analysis showing the role of age and voter replacement. Support for Brexit has declined by around 1/3, and around 1/3 of it is due to voter replacement.

[Kwasaki]

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Why am I not surprised you are blaming the EU and why do you not even know about all of this? You are just your typical Brexiter; big on emotions - small on facts and details.

 

Here, educate yourself - https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53724381 

Emotional no, just don't understand why things are made so difficult.

Get rid of Nth Ireland then they voted stay in didn't they, problem solved. 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, candide said:

BTW, there is an interesting analysis showing the role of age and voter replacement. Support for Brexit has declined by around 1/3, and around 1/3 of it is due to voter replacement.

Which continues

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Emotional no, just don't understand why things are made so difficult.

Get rid of Nth Ireland then they voted stay in didn't they, problem solved. 

I can see why Brexiteers would like to get rid of NI:

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/northern-ireland-economy-outpace-post-brexit-britain/

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Emotional no, just don't understand why things are made so difficult.

Get rid of Nth Ireland then they voted stay in didn't they, problem solved. 

You are talking about major trade agreements between sovereign nations. They are always going to be 'difficult'. 

I'll ignore your NI comment as the 'little England' opinion you and many Brexit fans obviously have. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, candide said:

BTW, there is an interesting analysis showing the role of age and voter replacement. Support for Brexit has declined by around 1/3, and around 1/3 of it is due to voter replacement.

Do you have a link for that ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Emotional no, just don't understand why things are made so difficult.

Get rid of Nth Ireland then they voted stay in didn't they, problem solved. 

Yes, things are not that simple and it seems the situation is way to difficult for you to understand .

[candide]

32 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you have a link for that ?

The link is in the post to which I replied. Quite interesting.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I can see why Brexiteers would like to get rid of NI:

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/northern-ireland-economy-outpace-post-brexit-britain/

The analysis by region is quite interesting.

 

"London’s globally connected economy masked a wider English malaise. While the capital recorded 2.3 percent growth, only two of England’s eight other regions eked out any gains. The northeast, including Newcastle and Sunderland, fared worst, with a 1.2 percent slump."

 

I guess It's not what they were expecting from Brexit when they voted against the cosmopolitan elite.....

[Kwasaki]

18 minutes ago, candide said:

The analysis by region is quite interesting.

 

"London’s globally connected economy masked a wider English malaise. While the capital recorded 2.3 percent growth, only two of England’s eight other regions eked out any gains. The northeast, including Newcastle and Sunderland, fared worst, with a 1.2 percent slump."

 

I guess It's not what they were expecting from Brexit when they voted against the cosmopolitan elite.....

Newcastle and Sunderland have always been in a slump. 

[superal]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Time isn’t on the side of Brexit.

 

Disease, cold winters and collapsing health services are only adding to the inevitable demise of Brexit support:

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/will-support-for-brexit-become-extinct/

The link you provided is biased , is composed by a German , a Finn and finally Simon Hix who is an associate of the European University Institute that have close links with the E.C.  What else would you expect other than support for the E.C. 

For all of its faults ( every country will have some ) the UK will recover once its re-birth and return to its own laws are complete . Times are tough and will be for a few more years but the UK will grow economically as it breathes the fresh air away from the E.C. and free from their restraints . 

The E.C. is not without problems and next year will also be tough . It sure is missing the £10 billion UK annual payments . 

[kwilco]

Brexiteer arguments re always so spurious and ill-informed - especially their claims re democracy - it simply is irrelevant - You can't accept Brexit anymore than you can vote the world is flat

[Mavideol]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Oh right, so you would like the U.K to say " We made a big mistake in leaving the E.U and we want to re join the E.U"  and you would say "Sorry , you can not re-join the E.U because we wont let you  "?

u got it right but the last 2 words should be changed to   "we wont "" want you ""  555

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

u got it right but the last 2 words should be changed to   "we wont "" want you ""  555

That is wonderful to hear , that if the U.K DOES have a another referendum and wants to re-join the E.U, , the E.U wouldn't accept the U.K back in .

   That is great news for Brexiteers

[superal]

This topic has become a Brexit debate and I think it has run its course . 

 

In my opinion the topic heading is inaccurate and misleading because the UK is not suffering alone or any more than E.C. countries and others are in the same boat . These are early days in this global recession and higher bank interest rates . Next year we will get a better picture after the effects of winter weather on energy demands and interest rates etc . 

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is wonderful to hear , that if the U.K DOES have a another referendum and wants to re-join the E.U, , the E.U wouldn't accept the U.K back in .

   That is great news for Brexiteers

read my previous post please, I never said the EU won't accept the UK back, what I said was "" and IF  I had the power, I would veto any potential possibility of the UK re-joining..... 

 I wouldn't want the UK back, me not the EU

Edited December 14, 2022 by Mavideol

[johnnybangkok]

13 minutes ago, superal said:

The link you provided is biased , is composed by a German , a Finn and finally Simon Hix who is an associate of the European University Institute that have close links with the E.C.  What else would you expect other than support for the E.C. 

For all of its faults ( every country will have some ) the UK will recover once its re-birth and return to its own laws are complete . Times are tough and will be for a few more years but the UK will grow economically as it breathes the fresh air away from the E.C. and free from their restraints . 

The E.C. is not without problems and next year will also be tough . It sure is missing the £10 billion UK annual payments . 

So what laws as in 'return to it's own laws' do you think the UK will enact that will drag it out of all this?

Brexiters always quote the 'sovereignty' issue as a major reason for getting out of the EU so what exact laws will 're-birth' the UK? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

read my previous post please, I never said the EU won't accept the UK back, what I said was that IF I had VETO power I wouldn't want the UK back, me not the EU

Why wouldn't you want the U.K back in the E.U ?

[Mavideol]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Why wouldn't you want the U.K back in the E.U ?

because of the constant complaining Brexiters do  555

[Mac Mickmanus]

20 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

because of the constant complaining Brexiters do  555

So, you are in favour of Brexit ?

You would vote for Brexit if you had the opportunity ?

[Kwasaki]

30 minutes ago, superal said:

This topic has become a Brexit debate and I think it has run its course . 

 

In my opinion the topic heading is inaccurate and misleading because the UK is not suffering alone or any more than E.C. countries and others are in the same boat . These are early days in this global recession and higher bank interest rates . Next year we will get a better picture after the effects of winter weather on energy demands and interest rates etc . 

I think for the EU the worse is yet to come.

 

Middle of next year UK will be way out on front. 

[Chomper Higgot]

57 minutes ago, superal said:

The link you provided is biased , is composed by a German , a Finn and finally Simon Hix who is an associate of the European University Institute that have close links with the E.C.  What else would you expect other than support for the E.C. 

For all of its faults ( every country will have some ) the UK will recover once its re-birth and return to its own laws are complete . Times are tough and will be for a few more years but the UK will grow economically as it breathes the fresh air away from the E.C. and free from their restraints . 

The E.C. is not without problems and next year will also be tough . It sure is missing the £10 billion UK annual payments . 

So, erm, the older voters who predominantly voted for Brexit aren’t dying off then and young people who predominantly voted remain don’t have decades of life and voting opportunities ahead of them?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I think for the EU the worse is yet to come.

 

Middle of next year UK will be way out on front. 

I was wondering who it was who had the forum’s crystal ball.