Democrat Katie Hobbs defeats MAGA favorite Kari Lake in high-stakes race for governor in Arizona

[Scott]

 

Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has defeated Republican Kari Lake in Arizona's race for governor, NBC News projected Monday.

Hobbs' victory is key for Democrats in a presidential battleground and a rebuke to a prominent election denier — though the closeness of the contest left the result up in the air for nearly a week.

A record number of early ballots were dropped off on Election Day in Maricopa County, officials said, which had to be processed in a more time-intensive manner that includes signature verification.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrat-katie-hobbs-defeats-maga-favorite-kari-lake-high-stakes-race-rcna55172

[Eric Loh]

More Maga tears. ????

[Berkshire]

I've been waiting on this one.  Not that it impacts my life at all, but because I can't stand that woman.  A total nutbag who lies constantly.  Kari Lake's 15 minutes of fame is over....thank God.

[Jingthing]

This is a big deal.

Lake was very dangerous. 

Election deniers are getting defeated.

Hope remains to defend democracy against the dark forces of Trumpist authoritarianism.

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

I've been waiting on this one.  Not that it impacts my life at all, but because I can't stand that woman.  A total nutbag who lies constantly.  Kari Lake's 15 minutes of fame is over....thank God.

What Trumpist propaganda network will pick her up though?

Battle won.

War continues. 

[ozimoron]

Trump be mad.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What Trumpist propaganda network will pick her up though?

Battle won.

War continues. 

Yeah, she can certainly get a job peddling right wing conspiracies.  But then, nobody likes a loser.

[ozimoron]

My money is on Trump not getting the memo and announcing his presidential run today. His chances of winning will not factor into the equation. He wants to burn the party to the ground now, while potentially (in his mind) protect himself from prosecution by giving himself a platform to claim he's a victim of political persecution. LOL.

[Hanaguma]

This one was a shocker. Hobbs has all the personal charm of a potato.  I think it shows the extent of the taint that being too closely aligned with the Trump brand influenced voting. Lake is clearly the better speaker and more charismatic, but she erred in not clearly distancing herself and developing her own brand.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This one was a shocker. Hobbs has all the personal charm of a potato.  I think it shows the extent of the taint that being too closely aligned with the Trump brand influenced voting. Lake is clearly the better speaker and more charismatic, but she erred in not clearly distancing herself and developing her own brand.

Trump set the stage when he declared AZ's own war hero a loser in his own election campaign. It's no surprise at all that Trump continues to be punished by AZ voters. His endorsed election denying cretin failed.

 

Trump was toxic at this election. He alone cost the GOP a red wave. That opinion will be voiced over and over during the next days and weeks.

Edited November 15, 2022 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

Also interesting is that Lake was one of the supposedly "dangerous" people who were endorsed by the Democratic Party in the primaries. This was a very crass strategy that unfortunately paid off in the election. On the one hand, "democracy is on the ballot" proclaimed every Democratic candidate". On the other, their party was actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries.   Kind of tells you where the reality of the issue lies. 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Also interesting is that Lake was one of the supposedly "dangerous" people who were endorsed by the Democratic Party in the primaries. This was a very crass strategy that unfortunately paid off in the election. On the one hand, "democracy is on the ballot" proclaimed every Democratic candidate". On the other, their party was actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries.   Kind of tells you where the reality of the issue lies. 

Little evidence to prove that. There was no higher-than-usual turnout in the Aug.2 Republican primary. If you have evidence, please provide. 

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Yeah, she can certainly get a job peddling right wing conspiracies.  But then, nobody likes a loser.

No problem.

She'll claim she won.

That's how the MAGAs roll.

Sorted.

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Also interesting is that Lake was one of the supposedly "dangerous" people who were endorsed by the Democratic Party in the primaries. This was a very crass strategy that unfortunately paid off in the election. On the one hand, "democracy is on the ballot" proclaimed every Democratic candidate". On the other, their party was actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries.   Kind of tells you where the reality of the issue lies. 

Yeah, right...it's the democrats fault that the republicans chose loons as candidates.

[Hanaguma]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Little evidence to prove that. There was no higher-than-usual turnout in the Aug.2 Republican primary. If you have evidence, please provide. 

Arizona Democrats, who boosted Lake during her primary, had hoped that her refusal to moderate her stances, which include declaring an invasion at the southern border and to enforce new abortion bans following the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade in June, would help Hobbs court independent voters.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrat-katie-hobbs-defeats-maga-favorite-kari-lake-high-stakes-race-rcna55172

 

 

The state (Democratic) party, in an email blast this week, thanked her opponent, Karrin Taylor Robson, for past donations she made to Democratic candidates. The move was quickly interpreted as another example of Democrats’ meddling in midterm election primaries to help draw the general election opponent believed to offer the easier matchup in November — in this case Lake, an election denier endorsed by former President Donald Trump.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trump-backed-kari-lake-gets-hand-unlikely-source-arizona-democrats-rcna38084

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrats-test-midterm-strategy-meddling-gop-governors-races-rcna28023

[Jingthing]

32 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My money is on Trump not getting the memo and announcing his presidential run today. His chances of winning will not factor into the equation. He wants to burn the party to the ground now, while potentially (in his mind) protect himself from prosecution by giving himself a platform to claim he's a victim of political persecution. LOL.

That's pretty much it.

He still retains his core cult super MAGAs including the violent ones.

If he's indicted which is probable you can bet the house he will incite his violent militias.

He's the biggest loser. For a severe narcissist that many of his own party see him that way is about as bad as it gets.

He's cornered. Things are falling apart coming from multiple directions. Like Putin that makes him even more dangerous than ever.

Edited November 15, 2022 by Jingthing

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, right...it's the democrats fault that the republicans chose loons as candidates.

Not at all. But they DID encourage it and did so at the risk of "dangerous" candidates winning the GOP primaries.  It was part of an effort to keep more mainstream but stronger GOP hopefuls out of various races.

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19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Also interesting is that Lake was one of the supposedly "dangerous" people who were endorsed by the Democratic Party in the primaries. This was a very crass strategy that unfortunately paid off in the election. On the one hand, "democracy is on the ballot" proclaimed every Democratic candidate". On the other, their party was actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries.   Kind of tells you where the reality of the issue lies. 

Actually, Lake's chief opponent was fundamentally no better. Just a matter of optics.

 

"During her campaign for the Republican primary nomination, Taylor Robson refused to say whether, if she had been governor, she would have certified the results of the 2020 presidential election in Arizona, in which Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump.[24][25] She questioned the legitimacy of the election,[25] asserting that "the elections weren't fair"[24] and that "our election was absolutely not fair."[25]

During her campaign, Taylor Robson said that she would enforce Arizona's pre-Roe abortion ban, which would criminalize the action in most circumstances.[19]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karrin_Taylor_Robson

 

Who is Karrin Taylor Robson lying to when she says the 2020 election wasn't fair?

Karrin Taylor Robson told CNN this week that the 2020 presidential election wasn’t fair – to Donald Trump – and that the wrong guy is in the White House.

No hoax here, folks. Just another Arizona Republican governor wannabe throwing red meat to conspiracy theorists who have the state’s GOP by the jugular.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2022/07/26/karrin-taylor-robson-lying-2020-election-trump-voters/10156621002/

 

So the Democrats aided the one who was easier to beat.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not at all. But they DID encourage it and did so at the risk of "dangerous" candidates winning the GOP primaries.  It was part of an effort to keep more mainstream but stronger GOP hopefuls out of various races.

Who wouldn't back an unelectable candidate in an opposition primary? Do you think the Dems are bad people for doing that? It worked.

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Who wouldn't back an unelectable candidate in an opposition primary? Do you think the Dems are bad people for doing that? It worked.

They are bad for doing it IF they deliberately back candidates who you ALSO claim are direct threats to the country.  It is the height of hypicrisy to pretend to be scared of election denyers and also support them.

 

See CNN on this;

 

 

 Democrats have expressly said that the 2020 election and its aftermath are about more than hardball politics. Those events threatened the fabric of our democracy and the people who pushed them need to be punished. 

 

Playing politics – as Democrats are doing – elevates these false views about both the election and January 6 whether or not the Republican nominees spouting those opinions wind up winning.

 

You can’t have it both ways. Either the lies about the election – and those who propagate them – are an active danger to our democracy or they’re not.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/peter-meijer-dccc-january-6/index.html

Edited November 15, 2022 by Hanaguma

[ozimoron]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

They are bad for doing it IF they deliberately back candidates who you ALSO claim are direct threats to the country.  It is the height of hypicrisy to pretend to be scared of election denyers and also support them.

Is it worse than running and funding a fake candidate with an identical name to an opposition candidate to draw off the vote?

[Chomper Higgot]

47 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This one was a shocker. Hobbs has all the personal charm of a potato.  I think it shows the extent of the taint that being too closely aligned with the Trump brand influenced voting. Lake is clearly the better speaker and more charismatic, but she erred in not clearly distancing herself and developing her own brand.

She was rejected by the electorate, what spoke like and her charisma were not wanted, neither were her extreme rightwing views.

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10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

They are bad for doing it IF they deliberately back candidates who you ALSO claim are direct threats to the country.  It is the height of hypicrisy to pretend to be scared of election denyers and also support them.

 

See CNN on this;

 

 

 Democrats have expressly said that the 2020 election and its aftermath are about more than hardball politics. Those events threatened the fabric of our democracy and the people who pushed them need to be punished. 

 

Playing politics – as Democrats are doing – elevates these false views about both the election and January 6 whether or not the Republican nominees spouting those opinions wind up winning.

 

You can’t have it both ways. Either the lies about the election – and those who propagate them – are an active danger to our democracy or they’re not.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/peter-meijer-dccc-january-6/index.html

Do you know that this commentator, Peter Meijer, might have some skin in this game? He lost in a Republican primary to a die-hard Trump supporter. Who then went on to lose what should have been a safe seat. MAGA!

There really was no significant difference in most of the candidates. Just a matter of optics. 

[Eric Loh]

31 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Arizona Democrats, who boosted Lake during her primary, had hoped that her refusal to moderate her stances, which include declaring an invasion at the southern border and to enforce new abortion bans following the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade in June, would help Hobbs court independent voters.

 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrat-katie-hobbs-defeats-maga-favorite-kari-lake-high-stakes-race-rcna55172

 

 

The state (Democratic) party, in an email blast this week, thanked her opponent, Karrin Taylor Robson, for past donations she made to Democratic candidates. The move was quickly interpreted as another example of Democrats’ meddling in midterm election primaries to help draw the general election opponent believed to offer the easier matchup in November — in this case Lake, an election denier endorsed by former President Donald Trump.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/trump-backed-kari-lake-gets-hand-unlikely-source-arizona-democrats-rcna38084

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrats-test-midterm-strategy-meddling-gop-governors-races-rcna28023

Not much of evidence but just interpretation of certain events. Any direct evidence. 

[ozimoron]

Nobody happier than this person:

 

Liz Cheney leads the way in 'congratulating' Kari Lake on her Arizona loss

https://www.rawstory.com/kari-lake-mocked-loss/

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Not much of evidence but just interpretation of certain events. Any direct evidence. 

Not much evidence of the open southern border Lake spoke of? I suppose out of frame there will be an official checking passports and stamping the news arrivals in. Because the southern border being open is a "conspiracy theory". If the millions of photos do not constitute "direct evidence" then clearly nothing will.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/us/politics/border-crossings-immigration-record-high.html

 

I will always have an issue with being forced to pretend something does not exist, contrary to factual evidence, merely because it does not promote the democrat parties interests.

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1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Nobody happier than this person:

 

Liz Cheney leads the way in 'congratulating' Kari Lake on her Arizona loss

https://www.rawstory.com/kari-lake-mocked-loss/

Liz Cheney is still an unapologetic backer of the Iraq War. And just about every other nasty right wing political plank. No need to shed tears over her electoral fate or to rejoice in her opposition to the Trump wing of the party. She is hardly a model of probity.

[ozimoron]

Just now, placeholder said:

Liz Cheney is still an unapologetic backer of the Iraq War. And just about every other nasty right wing political plank. No need to shed tears over her electoral fate or to rejoice in her opposition to the Trump wing of the party. She is hardly a model of probity.

I wasn't defending her.

[placeholder]

Just now, ozimoron said:

I wasn't defending her.

Okay. But, if anything, having Liz Cheney on your side, would be, for me, a reason to doubt its correctness.  For what its worth, I think she misjudged the strength of MAGA and if she had to do it all over again, would have done very differently. But that's just speculation.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

This is a big deal.

Lake was very dangerous. 

Election deniers are getting defeated.

Hope remains to defend democracy against the dark forces of Trumpist authoritarianism.

 

Who are these "election deniers" that you post of daily? Are they only in the GOP? If they are in both parties and include president biden would constantly implying that all "election deniers" are in the GOP be an example of misinformation/disinformation?

 

I did not witness any authoritarian moves from Trump. Can you give specific things he actually did that were authoritarian? Nothing brazen like the current admin trying to create a ministry of truth headed up by a notorious liar and conspiracy theorist to make sure only false narratives that suit the democrat party are allowed to flourish online. This was the single biggest display of fascism in our lives. Luckily it failed, temporarily.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/good-riddance-to-the-ministry-of-truth-nina-jankowicz/