Democrat Katie Hobbs defeats MAGA favorite Kari Lake in high-stakes race for governor in Arizona

[Hanaguma]

  On 11/15/2022 at 4:58 AM, placeholder said:

 

The article was noticeably lacking in analyzing these supposedly more moderate Republicans actual political positions. I see you have nothing to say about the Arizona race in this regard.

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About Arizona in particular I think the former governor, Ducey, would have been a far better choice in the run for the senate seat. But he didn't want to go through the hassle and spectacle of getting "pre vetted" by Trump. He had his pride as a successful governor and I respect that. 

 

As for governor, as I said before Lake's mistake was in not creating enough of a brand for herself. That, and as others have said, foolishly running down the McCains, cost her support.  Even so, it was a tight race, decided by what, 1%?

[Hanaguma]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:02 AM, ozimoron said:

Trump lost his own election in AZ and the GOP let him lose the senate in AZ in the mid terms. Dumb and dumber.

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Agreed. Trump strikes me as the 100% counterpart to Jimmy Carter. Carter was a failure as a president, but has had a great life as a former president. Trump is the opposite. A good presidency followed up by a disastrous post-presidential time. 

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  On 11/15/2022 at 5:06 AM, Hanaguma said:

About Arizona in particular I think the former governor, Ducey, would have been a far better choice in the run for the senate seat. But he didn't want to go through the hassle and spectacle of getting "pre vetted" by Trump. He had his pride as a successful governor and I respect that. 

 

As for governor, as I said before Lake's mistake was in not creating enough of a brand for herself. That, and as others have said, foolishly running down the McCains, cost her support.  Even so, it was a tight race, decided by what, 1%?

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Utterly irrelevant to the point that the person who Lake defeated, and who the Democrats undermined, was fundamentally no different from her when it came to actual issues.

[Phoenix Rising]

  On 11/15/2022 at 2:19 AM, Berkshire said:

Yeah, she can certainly get a job peddling right wing conspiracies.  But then, nobody likes a loser.

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That's not correct. There are millions who still worship trump and he is by now one of the Biggest Losers ever.

[ozimoron]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:08 AM, Hanaguma said:

Agreed. Trump strikes me as the 100% counterpart to Jimmy Carter. Carter was a failure as a president, but has had a great life as a former president. Trump is the opposite. A good presidency followed up by a disastrous post-presidential time. 

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If it was a good presidency he would still be president.

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  On 11/15/2022 at 5:08 AM, Hanaguma said:

Agreed. Trump strikes me as the 100% counterpart to Jimmy Carter. Carter was a failure as a president, but has had a great life as a former president. Trump is the opposite. A good presidency followed up by a disastrous post-presidential time. 

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HIs tax cuts, which especially favored himself, were truly a testimony to his success. As a cursory look at the trendlines show, there was no difference in economic growth between what was happening before he took office. He did manage to vitiate environmental protections. His first act in that area was to undermine rules that affected golf courses. So inspirational!

[johnnybangkok]

  On 11/15/2022 at 4:49 AM, Hanaguma said:

Newsweek disagrees.

 

"This choice by the DCCC to put a huge amount of money into supporting far-right candidates who support the conspiracy theories about a fraudulent election, is another egregious attack on people's trust in our government," Carolyn Lukensmeyer, the founding executive director of the National Institute for Civil Discourse, told Newsweek.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-spent-43-million-helping-election-deniers-win-their-primaries-1731068

 

The Democrats spent tens of millions of dollars trying to get MAGA extreme candidates on the ballot at the expense of less extreme ones.

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So it's the Dems fault that the Republicans put forward the candidates they did?

Do you actually read back any of this stuff you write?

[Walker88]

"If the GOP wins, I should get all the credit, and if GOP loses, I don't deserve any of the blame".---45, on NewsNation

 

Such is the way 45 thinks.

 

45 also threatened to pull an endorsement from  repub  gubernatorial candidate Lombardo in NV because Lombardo did not call 45 a "great" Potus. What a <deleted> child!

 

45 supported lake, and she sunk. Another loser.

 

Well, the GOP lost the Senate, will barely retake the House, the majority of 45's endorsed goobers lost...at the Gov, Senate and StateSecofSTate level. In the last 2 elections, 45 has a dismal record, losing the House once, Senate twice, and of course the White House in 45's failed reelection bid.

 

Democracy won in 2022. Fascism and election denial lost. 45 is spent. He's a loser whose schtick only still resonates with fellow losers and the intellectually barren.

 

Now the DoJ will do its job, indict him for Sedition for 6 Jan, indict him for Conspiracy to Commit Espionage for his theft of TS/SCI, HCS and Codeword docs, and put the loser on trial.

 

45 should have stayed a schlocky Game Show host. It was the only 'business' venture he ever did that succeeded.

[Phoenix Rising]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:02 AM, Walker88 said:

Perhaps you've been sequestered on a tropical isle like Tom Hanks in that movie. Just in case, I'll provide one example.

 

45 planned and fomented an attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election. He told his goobers to come to DC on the 6th of Jan 2021 "it will be wild", he tweeted), then incited them to move on the Capitol. It wasn't to buy souvenirs at the Capitol gift shop. He then sat idle for 187 minutes watching the insurrection by his terrorist mob on TV, doing absolutely nothing to stop it. He heard the chants of "Hang Mike Pence", yet he made no calls to get National Guard or law enforcement to stop the attempted coup.

 

That is an example of an authoritarian move by 45. It also falls under the definition of Sedition, a capital offense.

 

He should be indicted, tried, and if found guilty, executed according to the law. No half mast flags when he's executed, and no burial at Arlington where real patriots rest.

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Word!

[Phoenix Rising]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:08 AM, Hanaguma said:

Trump is the opposite. A good presidency followed up by a disastrous post-presidential time. 

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trump had a good presidency?? Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!!

[ozimoron]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:44 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

trump had a good presidency?? Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!!

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Are you kidding? He had a great presidency! Why do you think he ran in the first place?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/07/19/trumps-business-hauled-in-24-billion-during-four-years-he-served-as-president/?sh=5a12b94610c0

[Eric Loh]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:06 AM, Hanaguma said:

About Arizona in particular I think the former governor, Ducey, would have been a far better choice in the run for the senate seat. But he didn't want to go through the hassle and spectacle of getting "pre vetted" by Trump. He had his pride as a successful governor and I respect that. 

 

As for governor, as I said before Lake's mistake was in not creating enough of a brand for herself. That, and as others have said, foolishly running down the McCains, cost her support.  Even so, it was a tight race, decided by what, 1%?

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Arizona is a red state and the incumbent previous governor was a Republican. Should be a cakewalk by Republican. Lake aka Trump f…. It up. 

[Berkshire]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:11 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

That's not correct. There are millions who still worship trump and he is by now one of the Biggest Losers ever.

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Can't argue with that one....except Trump did win an election once.  Lake? 

[Berkshire]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:08 AM, Hanaguma said:

Trump is the opposite. A good presidency followed up by a disastrous post-presidential time. 

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The only good thing about Trump's presidency is that it was one term.

[Hanaguma]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:44 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

trump had a good presidency?? Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit!!

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Good economy, low inflation, low unemployment, Middle East peace, prison sentencing reform, low gas prices...

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  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

Good economy, low inflation, low unemployment, Middle East peace, prison sentencing reform, low gas prices...

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You think Trump was responsible for the good economy, low inflation and low gas prices? You got some evidence for that?

Prison sentencing reform was a good thing although severely reduced in usefulness because sentencing reform was eliminated because Republicans were overwhelmingly opposed.

Middle East peace was an ambigous blessing since Trump had the US withdraw from the Iran Nuclear Agreement and further penalized those who would continue to do business with Iran. Among other things, it means that Iran is now supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

[Lacessit]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:50 AM, Eric Loh said:

Arizona is a red state and the incumbent previous governor was a Republican. Should be a cakewalk by Republican. Lake aka Trump f…. It up. 

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Lake was anti-abortion, anti-gun laws, and an election denier. I am willing to bet there were plenty of Republican women voters who held their noses and voted Democrat, mostly over Roe vs Wade.

People are not stupid, they can connect the dots. When Trump ensured the Supreme Court would have a preponderance of anti-abortionists, he also sowed the seeds for his current humiliation. He'll take none of the blame for that, he has said so. It's one of the very few times I believe what he says.

[ozimoron]

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

Good economy, low inflation, low unemployment,

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all inherited

 

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

Middle East peace,

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He stirred up Palestinian unrest by moving the embassy to Jerusalem and declaring it the capital of Israel. Hardly peaceful. He also set an early date to bail out of Afghanistan instead of leaving it to his successor, probably as booby trap. Furthermore, Trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria, Despicable.,

 

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

prison sentencing reform,

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Don't know much about it. Were there thousands of pardons of marijuana offences like Biden gave?

  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

low gas prices...

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Nothing to do with US policies. Trump's buddies just torpedoed lower gas prices in a bid to give his party a leg up in the recent election.

[Hanaguma]

  On 11/15/2022 at 6:06 AM, placeholder said:

You think Trump was responsible for the good economy, low inflation and low gas prices? You got some evidence for that?

Prison sentencing reform was a good thing although severely reduced in usefulness because sentencing reform was eliminated because Republicans were overwhelmingly opposed.

Middle East peace was an ambigous blessing since Trump had the US withdraw from the Iran Nuclear Agreement and further penalized those who would continue to do business with Iran. Among other things, it means that Iran is now supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

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Forgot to mention reshaping the Supreme Court, stomping a mudhole in ISIS, and killing terrorists like al Bagdhadi and Soleimani...

 

 

[ozimoron]

  On 11/15/2022 at 2:35 AM, Hanaguma said:

Also interesting is that Lake was one of the supposedly "dangerous" people who were endorsed by the Democratic Party in the primaries. This was a very crass strategy that unfortunately paid off in the election. On the one hand, "democracy is on the ballot" proclaimed every Democratic candidate". On the other, their party was actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries.   Kind of tells you where the reality of the issue lies. 

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"actively trying to get enemies of democracy and election deniers through GOP primaries" is willfully misunderstanding what happened. The dems, correctly calculated that underminers of democracy were never going to get to undermine anything and so backed them against actual competition.

 

In other words, they knew that Trump was toxic and so adopted the simple strategy of backing his acolytes.

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  On 11/15/2022 at 5:59 AM, Hanaguma said:

Good economy, low inflation, low unemployment, Middle East peace, prison sentencing reform, low gas prices...

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  On 11/15/2022 at 6:11 AM, Hanaguma said:

Forgot to mention reshaping the Supreme Court, stomping a mudhole in ISIS, and killing terrorists like al Bagdhadi and Soleimani...

 

 

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I don't think Trump reshaped the Supreme Court. Rather, he extended right wing dominance. And the majority of Americans clearly don't think it was a good thing. But I guess if you support corporations at the expense of American workers, it might look good to you. And then there is the Dobbs decision.

And actually, the stomping of Isis was well underway  before Trump took office and he really didn't follow through on that.

And how does he killing of terrorists differ from what went on during the Obama administration?

[TheAppletons]

I think that makes 12 states now that have women governors.

 

And 38 states where dinner will be served on time.  ????

[Mavideol]

  On 11/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, Berkshire said:

I've been waiting on this one.  Not that it impacts my life at all, but because I can't stand that woman.  A total nutbag who lies constantly.  Kari Lake's 15 minutes of fame is over....thank God.

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and that makes 2 of us

[GroveHillWanderer]

  On 11/15/2022 at 3:43 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I did not witness any authoritarian moves from Trump. Can you give specific things he actually did that were authoritarian?

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You didn't notice any authoritarian moves by Trump? Were you hiding under a rock during his presidency?

 

As for examples, try the ones in the articles below:

 

Trump's use of the authoritarian playbook

 

Trump is an authoritarian

 

Trump’s Moves Are Right Out of the Authoritarian Playbook

 

Trump made two remarkably authoritarian remarks in one day

 

The authoritarian moves listed there include (but are not limited to) sending paramilitary forces from the Department of Homeland Security to quell nonviolent protests, celebrating the wounding of a journalist by police as “a beautiful sight,” spending an election year casting doubt on the legitimacy of the electoral system, calling independent journalists, "the enemies of the people," attacking and calling for the removal of judges whose decisions he didn't like and calling his main political opponent an "enemy of the state."

 

As pointed out in those articles, all of these things are classic examples of authoritarian moves.

[Bluespunk]

  On 11/15/2022 at 4:33 AM, Hanaguma said:

Absolutely.

 

AND the Democrats need to own that they were lying when they cried wolf about "the threat to Our Democracy" and then tried to get candidates who they claimed WERE "threats to Our Democracy" on the ballot in numerous states.  

 

Can't have it both ways. 

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No, the Democrats were correct in warning that big lie supporters were a threat to democracy.

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  On 11/15/2022 at 6:22 AM, TheAppletons said:

I think that makes 12 states now that have women governors.

 

And 38 states where dinner will be served on time.  ????

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It was even funnier when Michael Che said it on SNL.

[JimGant]

  On 11/15/2022 at 6:15 AM, ozimoron said:

The dems, correctly calculated that underminers of democracy were never going to get to undermine anything and so backed them against actual competition.

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Bingo. Stir the pot so that morons get elected in the Republican primaries, then in the general election, independents and normal Republicans would be enticed by the Democratic candidate. What a great Democratic tactic -- and it worked. Probably little risk, when you realize MAGA doesn't represent the average American, nor even the average Republican -- at least in the privacy of the voting booth.

 

Some, like hanaguma, just don't get it. That the Democratic Party tacticians realized most voters can think outside the cult-following box, was a winner. Yeah, doesn't quite pass the sniff test. Neither did Tammany Hall. But, if the end justifies the means, go for it.

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  On 11/15/2022 at 6:50 AM, JimGant said:

Bingo. Stir the pot so that morons get elected in the Republican primaries, then in the general election, independents and normal Republicans would be enticed by the Democratic candidate. What a great Democratic tactic -- and it worked. Probably little risk, when you realize MAGA doesn't represent the average American, nor even the average Republican -- at least in the privacy of the voting booth.

 

Some, like hanaguma, just don't get it. That the Democratic Party tacticians realized most voters can think outside the cult-following box, was a winner. Yeah, doesn't quite pass the sniff test. Neither did Tammany Hall. But, if the end justifies the means, go for it.

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Well, whether they're morons are not, the differences between them and their opponents in the primary are mostly cosmetic. In actuality, the Republican party has become a party of extremists. For years they invoked conspiracy theories to debunk human caused climate change. Lots still do. And look at the situation with Covid. The higher the support for Trump, the higher the death rate. A party that no longer has much  use for science or expertise.

[gamb00ler]

  On 11/15/2022 at 2:18 AM, ozimoron said:

Trump be mad.

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Perennial posture.

[gamb00ler]

  On 11/15/2022 at 2:26 AM, ozimoron said:

My money is on Trump not getting the memo and announcing his presidential run today. His chances of winning will not factor into the equation.

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Trump uses his mathematical prowess to calculate that he can't be president again unless he runs.