Twitter hit with mass resignations after Elon Musk's ‘hardcore’ ultimatum

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1 minute ago, HighPriority said:

He’ll defend himself ok until the cash is gone, how else do you get away with slander like he did a couple of years ago ?

I don't think that's a likely prospect. He may end up being worth only 50 -100 billion if twitter disappears and his 56 billion baht salary evaporates. Still, I am concerned for him.

[Credo]

Musk lacks the skills to properly run a company like Twitter.  He got himself into plenty of trouble at Tesla with the SEC and ended up being removed as Chairman of the Board of Tesla.   

 

Musk is on the Autism spectrum, and many people on the spectrum are not good at navigating human relations situations.  Managing a company like Twitter is a human relations business.  Its existence is based on human interaction right down to the end user.  

 

His 'hardcore' statements are mostly foolish.  When a boss tells you how the business will be, everyone knows that non-compliance could well mean getting fired.  Threats do nothing for morale or motivation.  It's counterproductive.  Good people know they can leave and find another job.  Those that can't easily leave will remain -- in this case, many of those staying are foreign workers who are tied to their work visa (more than a few people in Thailand can relate to this situation).

 

Removing some of the little perks and luxuries is also a mistake.  Free lunch keeps people on the premises and easily accessible.  Twitter is likely much more efficient if large numbers aren't going out for an hour-long lunch.  

 

When new management comes in, the problem is usually staff-retention.  There is no need to make the threats.  He's just another example of an egomaniac with too much money and poor social skills.   

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More evidence to show Musk is in way over his head.

You Can’t Code Your Way Out of the Culture Problem

On Friday afternoon, we learned that Elon Musk had asked any of the Twitter employees who “actually write software” to “email [him] a bullet point summary of what your code commits have achieved in the past ~6 months, along with up to 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code.”

As VP of technology at Slate, my first thought when I read this was “what a tremendous waste of engineering time.” Second only to “that’s a lot of bullets to read.”

https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/elon-musk-twitter-code-fixation.html

(if you get blocked by paywall, use link in Chrome's "incognito mode" or equivalent in another browser)

[ballpoint]

20 hours ago, placeholder said:

He's asking them to work 20 hour days 7 days a week. 

To be fair, given those are the hours many spend on this forum, the confusion is understandable.

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12 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

To be fair, given those are the hours many spend on this forum, the confusion is understandable.

Do you think I could get aseannow.com to pay me $150,000 per year for what up to now has been a waste of my life?

[James105]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

More evidence to show Musk is in way over his head.

You Can’t Code Your Way Out of the Culture Problem

On Friday afternoon, we learned that Elon Musk had asked any of the Twitter employees who “actually write software” to “email [him] a bullet point summary of what your code commits have achieved in the past ~6 months, along with up to 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code.”

As VP of technology at Slate, my first thought when I read this was “what a tremendous waste of engineering time.” Second only to “that’s a lot of bullets to read.”

https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/elon-musk-twitter-code-fixation.html

(if you get blocked by paywall, use link in Chrome's "incognito mode" or equivalent in another browser)

Do you not find it amazing that even though Twitter has closed its offices, laid off a lot of staff, that Twitter seems to still be working just as it was before?  Twitter is a platform that others use to create content (not it's staff), and I cannot recall seeing any significant updates or feature additions over the last few years which kind of begs the question of "what exactly are these software engineers doing with their days?",   which is the question that Musk appears to be asking and is quite a reasonable one imho.   It's not that complex an app to maintain and they (probably) have 1,500 - 2,000 developers that are probably quite well paid.   

 

I've no idea who slate.com are but I imagine the person who wrote that article is also stealing a living hence the reason he is jumping to the defence of fellow living stealers.     

[DezLez]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Do you think I could get aseannow.com to pay me $150,000 per year for what up to now has been a waste of my life?

And the readership's?

????

 

I am jesting (I think!)

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58 minutes ago, James105 said:

Do you not find it amazing that even though Twitter has closed its offices, laid off a lot of staff, that Twitter seems to still be working just as it was before?  Twitter is a platform that others use to create content (not it's staff), and I cannot recall seeing any significant updates or feature additions over the last few years which kind of begs the question of "what exactly are these software engineers doing with their days?",   which is the question that Musk appears to be asking and is quite a reasonable one imho.   It's not that complex an app to maintain and they (probably) have 1,500 - 2,000 developers that are probably quite well paid.   

 

I've no idea who slate.com are but I imagine the person who wrote that article is also stealing a living hence the reason he is jumping to the defence of fellow living stealers.     

Silly me. I'll go with what the expert says and not withsome unbacked  aspersions cast by an anonymous party on asean.com. 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Do you not find it amazing that even though Twitter has closed its offices, laid off a lot of staff, that Twitter seems to still be working just as it was before?  Twitter is a platform that others use to create content (not it's staff), and I cannot recall seeing any significant updates or feature additions over the last few years which kind of begs the question of "what exactly are these software engineers doing with their days?",   which is the question that Musk appears to be asking and is quite a reasonable one imho.   It's not that complex an app to maintain and they (probably) have 1,500 - 2,000 developers that are probably quite well paid.   

 

I've no idea who slate.com are but I imagine the person who wrote that article is also stealing a living hence the reason he is jumping to the defence of fellow living stealers.     

Because Twitter employed hundreds of engineers who sat around doing nothing? Your evidence is that computer systems didn't fall over the minute they walked out the door?

[Bluespunk]

Seems that up to 1200 have taken up his offer of severance pay.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/18/elon-musk-twitter-engineers-workers-mass-resignation

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1 hour ago, James105 said:

Do you not find it amazing that even though Twitter has closed its offices, laid off a lot of staff, that Twitter seems to still be working just as it was before?  Twitter is a platform that others use to create content (not it's staff), and I cannot recall seeing any significant updates or feature additions over the last few years which kind of begs the question of "what exactly are these software engineers doing with their days?",   which is the question that Musk appears to be asking and is quite a reasonable one imho.   It's not that complex an app to maintain and they (probably) have 1,500 - 2,000 developers that are probably quite well paid.   

 

I've no idea who slate.com are but I imagine the person who wrote that article is also stealing a living hence the reason he is jumping to the defence of fellow living stealers.     

Here's something from MIT Technology Review

Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks

One insider says the company’s current staffing isn’t able to sustain the platform.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Here's something from MIT Technology Review

Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks

One insider says the company’s current staffing isn’t able to sustain the platform.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/

And, with every move musk makes, becoming less so.

[James105]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Here's something from MIT Technology Review

Here’s how a Twitter engineer says it will break in the coming weeks

One insider says the company’s current staffing isn’t able to sustain the platform.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/

Woke, soy latte drinking "engineer" stealing a living at Twitter who overestimates his importance writes an article.  Writing that article is probably the most work he has done all year.    If these people are who they claim to be why wouldn't they be able to produce evidence of the work they have done?  As mentioned, it seems like a perfectly reasonable question and one that anyone who writes code will easily be able to produce with about 5 minutes effort if they wanted to keep their well paid jobs.  

 

The only reason Twitter would go down is if the "engineers" built a house of cards, or via deliberate sabotage, and if that is the case Musk is better off without them and replacing them with more capable or trustworthy people.   

[candide]

6 hours ago, James105 said:

Do you not find it amazing that even though Twitter has closed its offices, laid off a lot of staff, that Twitter seems to still be working just as it was before?  Twitter is a platform that others use to create content (not it's staff), and I cannot recall seeing any significant updates or feature additions over the last few years which kind of begs the question of "what exactly are these software engineers doing with their days?",   which is the question that Musk appears to be asking and is quite a reasonable one imho.   It's not that complex an app to maintain and they (probably) have 1,500 - 2,000 developers that are probably quite well paid.   

 

I've no idea who slate.com are but I imagine the person who wrote that article is also stealing a living hence the reason he is jumping to the defence of fellow living stealers.     

Right! Everybody knows the previous owners and managers were happy to pay thousands of people for doing nothing, instead of pocketing more of those juicy stock options and  dividends! ????

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32 minutes ago, James105 said:

Woke, soy latte drinking "engineer" stealing a living at Twitter who overestimates his importance writes an article.  Writing that article is probably the most work he has done all year.    If these people are who they claim to be why wouldn't they be able to produce evidence of the work they have done?  As mentioned, it seems like a perfectly reasonable question and one that anyone who writes code will easily be able to produce with about 5 minutes effort if they wanted to keep their well paid jobs.  

 

The only reason Twitter would go down is if the "engineers" built a house of cards, or via deliberate sabotage, and if that is the case Musk is better off without them and replacing them with more capable or trustworthy people.   

Thank you for your knowledgeable expedition of what it takes to maintain a website that serves tens of millions of people. Your clear technical explanation uncontaminated by biases is an inspiration to us all.

[Phoenix Rising]

34 minutes ago, James105 said:

Woke, soy latte drinking "engineer" stealing a living at Twitter who overestimates his importance writes an article.  Writing that article is probably the most work he has done all year.    If these people are who they claim to be why wouldn't they be able to produce evidence of the work they have done?  As mentioned, it seems like a perfectly reasonable question and one that anyone who writes code will easily be able to produce with about 5 minutes effort if they wanted to keep their well paid jobs.  

 

The only reason Twitter would go down is if the "engineers" built a house of cards, or via deliberate sabotage, and if that is the case Musk is better off without them and replacing them with more capable or trustworthy people.   

A software engineer points out that the massive brain drain might lead to technical issues down the line and you go postal on his "soy latte drinking" behind!

 

PS. Do you have any friends? It might help to talk about it....

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58 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

A software engineer points out that the massive brain drain might lead to technical issues down the line and you go postal on his "soy latte drinking" behind!

 

PS. Do you have any friends? It might help to talk about it....

James105's posts just provide more confirmation of Pavlov's great theory.

Edited November 19, 2022 by placeholder

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

Woke, soy latte drinking "engineer" stealing a living at Twitter who overestimates his importance writes an article.  Writing that article is probably the most work he has done all year.    If these people are who they claim to be why wouldn't they be able to produce evidence of the work they have done?  As mentioned, it seems like a perfectly reasonable question and one that anyone who writes code will easily be able to produce with about 5 minutes effort if they wanted to keep their well paid jobs.  

 

The only reason Twitter would go down is if the "engineers" built a house of cards, or via deliberate sabotage, and if that is the case Musk is better off without them and replacing them with more capable or trustworthy people.   

You know nothing about the engineer and yet you think you know everything about him.  That says so much about you.

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, James105 said:

Woke, soy latte drinking "engineer" stealing a living at Twitter who overestimates his importance writes an article.  Writing that article is probably the most work he has done all year.    If these people are who they claim to be why wouldn't they be able to produce evidence of the work they have done?  As mentioned, it seems like a perfectly reasonable question and one that anyone who writes code will easily be able to produce with about 5 minutes effort if they wanted to keep their well paid jobs.  

 

The only reason Twitter would go down is if the "engineers" built a house of cards, or via deliberate sabotage, and if that is the case Musk is better off without them and replacing them with more capable or trustworthy people.   

It's very difficult to replace these people. It's not just a matter of hiring new software engineers, they need to be familiar with the code base and the tech stack.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

It's very difficult to replace these people. It's not just a matter of hiring new software engineers, they need to be familiar with the code base and the tech stack.

Good point.  If the software is not well documented then asking someone new and without on-the-job training under a current engineer to maintain it might be asking the impossible. 

 

How often is this kind of system both well documented and kept up to date with every new revision?  I know that a few decades ago the answer would be not often enough.

[ozimoron]

Just now, heybruce said:

Good point.  If the software is not well documented then asking someone new and without on-the-job training under a current engineer to maintain it might be asking the impossible. 

 

How often is this kind of system both well documented and kept up to date with every new revision?  I know that a few decades ago the answer would be not often enough.

A company like Twitter would have very good documentation but still it would take many months for a new engineer to get up to speed. Unless they have this familiarity with he code base it would be a case of "Patch applied to fix 19 bugs, result 93 bugs".

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/18/2022 at 5:11 PM, Bluespunk said:

So musk wants to ban remote working but is shutting down access to tw*tter offices…gotta love the irony of that approach.

It's only for a while, not forever!

 

Hopefully this is the end for that social media platform, and even more hopefully that facethingy will follow them into oblivion.

[candide]

It's interesting how some posters feel the need to derail this thread into a "lazy woke people" thread. ????

 

I understand, It's not like these "woke" people would have been at the origin of, and responsible for the success of Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Airbnb, Oracle, Sun, the numerous Silicon Valley companies, etc..????

Edited November 19, 2022 by candide

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 11/18/2022 at 1:04 PM, heybruce said:

Twitter is looking more and more like a sinking ship.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

Doesn't matter if it doesn't make him rich. If advertisers stay away it won't make money.

[Bkk Brian]

Trump is back! Wonder what his first tweet's going to be..........????

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Elon Musk reinstated Donald Trump’s account on Twitter on Saturday, reversing a ban that has kept the former president off the social media site since a pro-Trump mob attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as Congress was poised to certify Joe Biden’s election victory.

Musk made the announcement in the evening after holding a poll that asked Twitter users to click “yes” or “no” on whether Trump’s account should be restored. The “yes” vote won, with 51.8%.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-biden-twitter-inc-technology-congress-d88e3de4b3cc095926dc133f53dc3320

 

I wonder if Musk did anything about those 70% fake accounts/bots that follow him.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Trump is back! Wonder what his first tweet's going to be..........????

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Elon Musk reinstated Donald Trump’s account on Twitter on Saturday, reversing a ban that has kept the former president off the social media site since a pro-Trump mob attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as Congress was poised to certify Joe Biden’s election victory.

Musk made the announcement in the evening after holding a poll that asked Twitter users to click “yes” or “no” on whether Trump’s account should be restored. The “yes” vote won, with 51.8%.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-biden-twitter-inc-technology-congress-d88e3de4b3cc095926dc133f53dc3320

 

I wonder if Musk did anything about those 70% fake accounts/bots that follow him.

The bots have spoken. Musk did nothing but bitch about bots for months and has not had any opportunity to do anything about them. A result which so is far out of sync with election results or popularity of Trump, the result has to be driven by bots. They aren't there one month and gone the next.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The bots have spoken. Musk did nothing but bitch about bots for months and has not had any opportunity to do anything about them. A result which so is far out of sync with election results or popularity of Trump, the result has to be driven by bots. They aren't there one month and gone the next.

Not only bots, remember twitter polls are not country specific, they are world wide so how many of those votes came from the US or from Saudi, China, even Russia

[SunnyinBangrak]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump is back! Wonder what his first tweet's going to be..........????

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Elon Musk reinstated Donald Trump’s account on Twitter on Saturday, reversing a ban that has kept the former president off the social media site since a pro-Trump mob attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as Congress was poised to certify Joe Biden’s election victory.

Musk made the announcement in the evening after holding a poll that asked Twitter users to click “yes” or “no” on whether Trump’s account should be restored. The “yes” vote won, with 51.8%.

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-biden-twitter-inc-technology-congress-d88e3de4b3cc095926dc133f53dc3320

 

I wonder if Musk did anything about those 70% fake accounts/bots that follow him.

 

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The bots have spoken. Musk did nothing but bitch about bots for months and has not had any opportunity to do anything about them. A result which so is far out of sync with election results or popularity of Trump, the result has to be driven by bots. They aren't there one month and gone the next.

Well this is fascinating. Musk did a poll to see whether DJT should be invited back on Twitter. More than 10m voted. This is REAL democracy in play. Yet the pro Trump side won and he's back. And what happens? Yep, the left accuse him of cheating!! Beyond ironic.

 

And a super quick browse through Trumps page I see why they banned him. He destroys the J6 dog and pony show so so bad.

Happy days. Welcome back Sir. Look forward to see you continue to hold dishonest msm and fake narratives feet over the coals. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

Well this is fascinating. Musk did a poll to see whether DJT should be invited back on Twitter. More than 10m voted. This is REAL democracy in play. Yet the pro Trump side won and he's back. And what happens? Yep, the left accuse him of cheating!! Beyond ironic.

 

And a super quick browse through Trumps page I see why they banned him. He destroys the J6 dog and pony show so so bad.

Happy days. Welcome back Sir. Look forward to see you continue to hold dishonest msm and fake narratives feet over the coals. 

How is a twitter poll democracy at play, please explain your reasoning?