Thailand is simply not yet ready for EV prime-time, social media is replete with charging horror stories over the holidays, including from wife's trip upcountry to visit her parents.

And then there is this - advertised at 400 kW, delivering 10% of rated output........ if all this does not change fast, EV glory in Thailand will fizzle out faster than a wet spark (pun intended) on a Musk(et).

I drove down and back to Kamphaeng Phet (amongst other places) and made a point of checking the charging stations at pee breaks. There was always one spot available and some places (spark) had nobody there.

10 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

Thailand is simply not yet ready for EV prime-time, social media is replete with charging horror stories over the holidays, including from wife's trip upcountry to visit her parents.

And then there is this - advertised at 400 kW, delivering 10% of rated output........ if all this does not change fast, EV glory in Thailand will fizzle out faster than a wet spark (pun intended) on a Musk(et).

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I drove down and back to Kamphaeng Phet (amongst other places) and made a point of checking the charging stations at pee breaks. There was always one spot available and some places (spark) had nobody there.

We are O&A now, travelled Sat & Sun, and not our normal, as no desire to Q to charge. Stopped 4 times, also not our usual, 2X each day, as usually just once @ 25-30%. But, hungry and or had to P, us or dog, so plugged it while there.

No issues, so that part normal. No need to Q or reserve, though we don't reserve, just don't stop at CS that aren't available, next one is fine. Used 2 PEA, since weekend & off peak rate, also not our normal, but they were P stops.

Usually use PTT/EV Station Pluz, for the vendors available. Except for multiple short stops, all was normal. Car done charging or we simply left when we were done. Actually twice, made it to 100%, as we usually leave around 90-95%

CS were busy, nobody Q'ing, but, we arrived just as on left, and notice someone arriving, just as we left once.

We were headed southbound, and northbound lanes yesterday was backed up at a couple traffic light. Timing and direction planning is important, why we are usually going the opposite direction of holiday folk.

Would not want to be looking for CS in the opposite direction, or, simply make a reservation, and simple enough.

I had an impromptu journey ( well it was a surprise to me !! ) travelling from Ayutthaya to the mil’s on Saturday 3rd Jan which was great, no seriously, the majority of the traffic was heading south towards BKK.

But, not only did i have to return yesterday ( the last day of the extended holidays ) but was hit with the news that we would deliver no 1 daughter back to her uni also ( a further 70 km round trip ).

Foreseeing a large amount of traffic descending yesterday and the chargers would be in demand i topped up an additional 28% ( 25kw) on my trip north on Saturday at a Spark charger just south of Nakhon Sawan ( no waiting ).

I was glad i did as the traffic was very heavy on the southbound Highway 32 on both Sat and Sun and the “ pumps “ as expected were heaving !

But my foresight paid off as i arrived home with 27% after driving around 550 km.

I noticed on Sat that police had prepared for the heavy traffic by diverting southbound traffic on to 1 lane of the northbound section of the highway 32 in 3 or 4 places for around 3 or 4 km each time.

But, on both Sat and Sun they were only utilising one of those “ reverse lanes “ in effect closing 1 lane northbound unnecessarily on 2 or 3 sections .

While traffic was definitely heavier going south it was it’s usual Sunday load going north.

So, another traffic alleviating plan by RMP which went pear shaped, but i don’t think the Boys in Brown were worrying too much as they gathered round the service areas oblivious !!

8 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Thailand is simply not yet ready for EV prime-time, social media is replete with charging horror stories over the holidays, including from wife's trip upcountry to visit her parents.

And then there is this - advertised at 400 kW, delivering 10% of rated output........ if all this does not change fast, EV glory in Thailand will fizzle out faster than a wet spark (pun intended) on a Musk(et).

The charger location this lady was using was at CentralWorld Mall in the Bangkok Siam area. This charging location is called Zeekr Power using the Evolt charging network app. It's one 400KW DC charger with two charging connectors with that 400KW max most likely limited to 200KW max per connector (see 2nd pic below). This location also has two AC 22KW charging connectors right next to the DC charger. I determined this from looking at the charger number on the display (#294157) and also the lady's original Facebook post which also shows the charger number again on a placard.

There are also 9 Tesla 250KW max superchargers at this CentralWorld Mall but in a different parking level.

Anyway, I wouldn't say "...Thailand is simply not ready for EV prime- time..." based on one charger at a mall in central Bangkok not putting out its maximum KW rating for some reason. Plus there area about a gazillion Youtube videos of people in many different countries having some kind of charging issue....like not getting the KW output they think they should be getting. Thailand has LOTS of DC chargers along major highways--sure, not enough yet in all locations especially when you start going north of Bangkok---but still a lot and more being added every day especially by PTT, Spark, and others. So far in my Thailand travels I haven't had any problems in finding an available DC charger pretty easily.

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I had an impromptu journey ( well it was a surprise to me !! ) travelling from Ayutthaya to the mil’s on Saturday 3rd Jan which was great, no seriously, the majority of the traffic was heading south towards BKK.

But, not only did i have to return yesterday ( the last day of the extended holidays ) but was hit with the news that we would deliver no 1 daughter back to her uni also ( a further 70 km round trip ).

Foreseeing a large amount of traffic descending yesterday and the chargers would be in demand i topped up an additional 28% ( 25kw) on my trip north on Saturday at a Spark charger just south of Nakhon Sawan ( no waiting ).

I was glad i did as the traffic was very heavy on the southbound Highway 32 on both Sat and Sun and the “ pumps “ as expected were heaving !

But my foresight paid off as i arrived home with 27% after driving around 550 km.

I noticed on Sat that police had prepared for the heavy traffic by diverting southbound traffic on to 1 lane of the northbound section of the highway 32 in 3 or 4 places for around 3 or 4 km each time.

But, on both Sat and Sun they were only utilising one of those “ reverse lanes “ in effect closing 1 lane northbound unnecessarily on 2 or 3 sections .

While traffic was definitely heavier going south it was it’s usual Sunday load going north.

So, another traffic alleviating plan by RMP which went pear shaped, but i don’t think the Boys in Brown were worrying too much as they gathered round the service areas oblivious !!

What have you been getting "real world range-wise" with your Seal....and is your Seal an 82KWH with RWD version or another version? Thanks.

Just now, Pib said:

What have you been getting "real world range-wise" with your Seal....and is your Seal an 82KWH with RWD version or another version? Thanks.

Around 500/520 km actual range although i only tend to monitor the range when doing a longer run on the highway.

It is a Seal Premium RWD with a supposed 650 km range ( NEDC i think ).

Yesterday it appeared i would have got around 550 km but that could have been due to around 150/160 km of heavy highway traffic on returning home, some of it stop start.

As poor as the Dynamic guessometer is it does reflect my recent driving style when charging to 100%.

Normally it shows 645/655 km but on a road trip it drops to around 625 km when i am usually driving harder than normal.

On charging overnight to 100% after yesterdays heavy traffic I got this:

Which is about the highest i have seen but of course unacheivable.

2 hours ago, Pib said:

The charger location this lady was using was at CentralWorld Mall in the Bangkok Siam area. This charging location is called Zeekr Power using the Evolt charging network app. It's one 400KW DC charger with two charging connectors with that 400KW max most likely limited to 200KW max per connector (see 2nd pic below). This location also has two AC 22KW charging connectors right next to the DC charger. I determined this from looking at the charger number on the display (#294157) and also the lady's original Facebook post which also shows the charger number again on a placard.

There are also 9 Tesla 250KW max superchargers at this CentralWorld Mall but in a different parking level.

Anyway, I wouldn't say "...Thailand is simply not ready for EV prime- time..." based on one charger at a mall in central Bangkok not putting out its maximum KW rating for some reason. Plus there area about a gazillion Youtube videos of people in many different countries having some kind of charging issue....like not getting the KW output they think they should be getting. Thailand has LOTS of DC chargers along major highways--sure, not enough yet in all locations especially when you start going north of Bangkok---but still a lot and more being added every day especially by PTT, Spark, and others. So far in my Thailand travels I haven't had any problems in finding an available DC charger pretty easily.

By your 'gazillion' count you are implying it is perfectly OK to have charging problems and just live and love it - don't you think that is a rather lame argument for the guy who drives a pick-up truck and pulls-in-out of a gas station in 5 minutes and never thinks twice where to get his next fill?

By my experience and what I think of EV's (and I have 2 of them!) - this will be a marketing niche at best, but never replace ICE. I am not gloating about this admission, it makes me cringe, but I am not an over simplistic ideologue preaching what really is a failure in Thailand (and you suggest in many other countries) - the way I see it, mainstream adaptation depends on overwhelming benefits for the average Joe, or he will stay with what is convenient. The hype is loosing it's shine - just look at Tesla - and once that shine is off, the cliff looks deep. Mind you, this is for the ROW - China is a different case, they are mostly already living in 2050 and EREV is where they are heading, best charging network in the world notwithstanding - think about that for a second!

As for the marketing niche: If it were not for the free electrons I am harvesting to essentially convert photons into kinetic energy, I wouldn't even be near an EV, and that is true for quite a few EV owners, but that is a mighty tiny, albeit powerful niche.

On 1/5/2026 at 9:53 AM, mistral53 said:

Thailand is simply not yet ready for EV prime-time, social media is replete with charging horror stories over the holidays, including from wife's trip upcountry to visit her parents.

there can be frustrating situations at charging stations. many of us have experienced cases where charging was not possible because of technical issues, where charging speed was slow for different reasons, where ICE or BEV vehicles blocked the charging spots, or where stations were overcrowded during public holidays. these situations will still happen from time to time ...

designing charging infrastructure to fully satisfy all BEV drivers on just a few peak days each year does not make financial sense. charging infrastructure in thailand is growing rapidly, and charging speeds are being adapted to meet users’ needs ... that's great!

the way i see it, the average BEV driver charges at home. for example, the last time i had to use a public charging station was in april 2025 during a road trip, even though i regularly drive a 450 km round trip and cover around 18,000 to 20,000 km per year ... my next road trip is planned for march 2025, again into the remote isaan region. i am confident it will work out just fine, just like it did last year ...

electric mobility has many advantages, but also some disadvantages. everyone has to decide for themselves how to weigh these factors. i think that the average BEV user, like most of us, knows how to appreciate the advantages ... drive safely, everyone!

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

there can be frustrating situations at charging stations. many of us have experienced cases where charging was not possible because of technical issues, where charging speed was slow for different reasons, where ICE or BEV vehicles blocked the charging spots, or where stations were overcrowded during public holidays. these situations will still happen from time to time ...

designing charging infrastructure to fully satisfy all BEV drivers on just a few peak days each year does not make financial sense. charging infrastructure in thailand is growing rapidly, and charging speeds are being adapted to meet users’ needs ... that's great!

the way i see it, the average BEV driver charges at home. for example, the last time i had to use a public charging station was in april 2025 during a road trip, even though i regularly drive a 450 km round trip and cover around 18,000 to 20,000 km per year ... my next road trip is planned for march 2025, again into the remote isaan region. i am confident it will work out just fine, just like it did last year ...

electric mobility has many advantages, but also some disadvantages. everyone has to decide for themselves how to weigh these factors. i think that the average BEV user, like most of us, knows how to appreciate the advantages ... drive safely, everyone!

I must be lucky, or simple timing and planning when to go O&A. Know many are stuck being out in weekend, weekender and holiday traffic. And, headed in the right directions helps, as I posted earlier, smooth sailing southbound, but northbound lanes were gridlock, and reckon you need to make reservations at some CS, if heading that way.

For those folks, and in the mix too often .... PHEV

On 10 Jan/Sat just before heading out on a 300Km roundtrip site seeing trip the wife and I stopped at the PTT station just a few minutes/less than 2Km from our home to top-up our BYD Atto tire pressure. At that time there was a 6 car slot new DC chargers concrete pad under construction....no chargers yet, just the concrete pads with electrical wires sticking out.

Today/Mon/12 Jan I go back to this station to top-up the air pressure in my Toyota Fortuner and now there are three 180KW DC chargers installed...a total of 6 charging connectors...chargers still covered in plastic. These are PTT EV Station Pluz chargers as I went over and looked close-up.

This PTT station already has one PTT EV Station Pluz 120KW/2 connector charger...it stays busy pretty much all the time....I drive by this station daily and usually glance over to see what's happening at the station. I'm sure the new chargers below will also stay pretty busy especially since this station is on the western part of #9 Kanchanaphisek Expressway (toll free section)...a.k.a., the outer ring highway that goes around/bypasses Bangkok.

Seems almost everyday I find more EV DC fast chargers being installed close to my home....I've got EV chargers coming out my ears!!!!

Google Maps Location in Nonthaburi on Nakhon-In Road...Rama 5 general area. Six 720KW chargers with 12 dispensing cables/heads. Appears to have opened on 20 Jan 2026 and using the "OneCharge" charging network app. Nonthaburi is a province that's also considered part of the Bangkok Metro Region.

Google Map Link to new charging station

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dh81tcRaUU5PCdM4A

I'll have to go visit this new location soon....it's around a 15 minute drive from my home and since the wife and I go to the Rama 5 Market every two weeks or so by driving just another few minutes I could be at the new charging location....and I'm been signed up with the OneCharge app for around six months....used their chargers several times with my Atto....no problems. I expect this location will get a lot of EV taxi business.

The OneCharge app uses a Wallet and/or Credit/Debit card payment method. I just been using my TrueMoney Virutal Credit Card to make direct payment for each charging session. But if wanting to use the Wallet approach you can top-up the Wallet via QR Payment, Credit/debit card, a variety of Thai mobile banking app, or TrueMoney Wallet. You will have zero problems payment-wise.

OneCharge is another fast growing charging network in certain parts of Thailand who has a quite a few EV hubs, high power charger locations with some of them apparently focused towards charging of commercial vehicles like taxis, large trucks, etc....but little old me and you with our regular EV cars can use them just as well. In fact, two of the locations I have used the OneCharge network is in Nakhon Pathom province at garbage/16 wheeler truck locations along a main road.....nothing like charging EV surrounded by BIG trucks (some of them a little smelly)...but hey, the chargers worked great and were new, high power, worked just fine.

Well, I visited above new location today and plugged-in my red machine for a little juice as test...worked fine. Once again, this charging location uses the "OneCharge" charging network app.

From Aeromechx Facebook page....a Google Translate translation. Shows a cost comparison for installing

an AC or DC charger as a business operations/for profit.

I don't see where "maintenance upkeep" costs were included like when the charger "breaks and needs repairs" were included but maybe that's part of the Investment Cost.

The payback time for a DC 120KW and larger charger would be 7 years or more due to the big upfront cost of a DC charger; however, payback time for a AC 7KW/22KW charger or small DC charger (30KW) is much shorter but AC chargers/small DC chargers probably only do good business inside condo type buildings, shopping malls, etc., versus along a roadway. Location, location, location is a big factor in type of charger best suited for a location.

https://www.facebook.com/Car250/

In last row where it shows "Payback time" Google Translate did not fully translate.

Where it shows 1.2, 2.4, 7, and 7 that is "years."

In discussions about public charging networks, one aspect that is often overlooked is charging speed from the chargers, as well as of course on the car side. To wit - when I went to charge my BYD Seal to let's say from 20 to 100%, I could easily spend over one hour on a charger. Now with the Zeekr, I can achieve the same feat in as little as 15 minutes, which of course in theory translates to four cars could charge versus only one car. At some point this will help alleviate to some extent charger overcrowding - but it takes 2 to tango: A charger that can provide 350 to 400 kilowatts at 800+V, and cars that can take that much juice - so we are still in the infancy of this whole technological development.

I hope that chargers that are built nowadays are future-prove with forward looking specs, because the avalanche of EV's coming online will otherwise frustrate a lot of owners unnecessarily.

10 hours ago, mistral53 said:

In discussions about public charging networks, one aspect that is often overlooked is charging speed from the chargers, as well as of course on the car side. To wit - when I went to charge my BYD Seal to let's say from 20 to 100%, I could easily spend over one hour on a charger. Now with the Zeekr, I can achieve the same feat in as little as 15 minutes, which of course in theory translates to four cars could charge versus only one car. At some point this will help alleviate to some extent charger overcrowding - but it takes 2 to tango: A charger that can provide 350 to 400 kilowatts at 800+V, and cars that can take that much juice - so we are still in the infancy of this whole technological development.

I hope that chargers that are built nowadays are future-prove with forward looking specs, because the avalanche of EV's coming online will otherwise frustrate a lot of owners unnecessarily.

Just for educational cross feed for those considering EVs and DC chargers future proofing, some of the "self-contained" chargers can be expanded by just plugging additional DC power modules, usually 20KW or 30KW modules, which increases the charger's charging capacity up to a certain max amount. Self-contained chargers are mostly what we see in Thailand and consist of the power module/electronics all being contained in the charger that the user directly interfaces with. Typically these types of DC chargers are going to be in the 350KW and lower range...and what we mostly see in Thailand are 50KW to 180KW self contained chargers...probably with the bulk of them in the 120-180KW ballpark based on my review/visits to charging stations. Now how many of these might be expandable/upgradeable I could say since DC chargers also come in just one power configuration...that is, if you buy a 120KW that may not be upgradeable...120KW is it's max capacity...just built that way for cost/profit purposes.

And then you have "split" type DC chargers were the "dispenser" that the user interfaces with is basically a charging cable and screen but the power electronics are located X-amount meters away in a separate container/small fixed or mobile structure. This is typically the type of charger which can dispense over 350KW. These type of chargers probably have more future proofing capability but even they have their limitations such as cabling/wiring, local electrical company capacity in the area, cost, etc. These split systems are typically used in those locations where 4, 5, 6 or more chargers are located.

I expect BIG COMPANY charging networks like PTT, EA Anywhere, etc., go thru a detailed cost analysis as to what size charging stations and how many stations in one spot would be profitable for them. Now, on the other hand, those charging companies whose primary business is the "sell DC/AC chargers" to anyone and everyone (even me or you) do a cost analysis also to show a potential customer as to what their profit and payback period would be but I expect it might be skewed in projecting how many EVs would actually use the charger everyday.

"Location, location, location" is definitely a big factor in how many and often an EV would use any type of DC or AC charging station.

@mistral53

So you got a Zeekr. Which model did you get....X Standard, X Flagship, 7x Standard, 7x Long Range, 7x AWD, etc? The Zeekr 7X Long Range (LR) or AWD model is still tops on "my next EV list" with the LR model being ahead of the AWD because I'm not thrilled about the AWD automatic doors and air suspension system.

I would prefer a LFP battery vs a 100KW NMC battery like the LR and AWD models have but it seems many premium EVs come with NMC/NCA batteries vs LFP....seems NMC batteries are very prominent in the premium EV market since NMC batteries have higher capacity for size. But since the LR and AWD Zeekr models use the CATL Qilin 3.0 NMC battery which is a top-notch battery that makes me feel much better about it. Now, The Zeekr Standard model comes with a 75KWH LFP battery but it's missing some of the goodie options that the LR and AWD models have and I want a battery bigger than 75KW for my next EV. Anyway, what model did you end up buying---and maybe why you chose that model? Cheers.

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Below is what Google AI has to say about self-contained and split chargers.

AI Overview

Self-contained (integrated) EV DC charging stations and separate receptacle (split) systems offer different benefits regarding installation, space, and maintenance. Self-contained stations are all-in-one units that combine power electronics and user interface, making them ideal for small footprints. Separate receptacle (or split) systems divide the unit, often locating the power conversion electronics away from the dispensing unit to offer higher power outputs and greater installation flexibility.

Self-Contained (Integrated) DC Charging Stations

These are single units that house the AC-DC conversion electronics, control systems, and user interface.

• Ideal Usage: Public fast charging hubs, petrol stations, and areas with limited space.

• Advantages:

  • Lower Installation Costs: Generally require less cabling and less complex installation, reducing overall project costs.

  • Small Footprint: Compact design makes them suitable for crowded areas.

  • Simplified Maintenance: Each station operates independently, making repairs to one unit straightforward without affecting others.

• Disadvantages: Power output is typically capped compared to split systems.

Separate Receptacle (Split) DC Charging Stations

These systems separate the power unit (transformer/converter) from the dispenser unit (user interface/plug).

• Ideal Usage: High-power charging locations (above 500kW) where space allows for separate, larger components.

• Advantages:

  • Higher Power Output: Can support higher, more flexible power outputs, with some systems exceeding 600kW.

  • Operational Flexibility: Power units can be positioned away from consumers (e.g., inside a building), allowing for easier installation in tighter spaces or to reduce noise pollution at the dispenser.

• Disadvantages: Requires more cabling for the separation, leading to a larger total footprint.

@mistral53

Rereading your post slower this time I now realize you were probably using Zeekr as an example of a really fast charging EV vs actually having a Zeekr. But if you do have a Zeekr my earlier questions still stand. Cheers.

3 hours ago, Pib said:

@mistral53

Rereading your post slower this time I now realize you were probably using Zeekr as an example of a really fast charging EV vs actually having a Zeekr. But if you do have a Zeekr my earlier questions still stand. Cheers.

Yes, I did go for the Zeekr AWD. The main reason I chose the top model was the air suspension. Every now and then, it's really useful to have that extra ground clearance to get through minor flooding — something most other models don't offer. It's also pretty cool how the car automatically lowers itself at higher speeds for better aerodynamics. For me, that’s a big plus.

Secondly, the HUD (Head-Up Display). At this point, I simply won’t buy a car without one anymore, unless there’s some overwhelming advantages elsewhere that forces me to compromise. After using one for a while on my previous BYDs, I don’t want to go back. And I definitely wouldn’t consider a car without a traditional dashboard, like a Tesla - what a harebrained idea just to be cool and minimalistic.

The larger battery and NMC chemistry is indeed a double-edged sword. We normally only charge to 80% per common recommendation, which gives us around 80 kWh of usable capacity. By comparison, the entry-level model has a 75 kWh LFP battery that can be safely charged to 100% every time.

One big disappointment with Chinese brands in general — and especially here in Thailand — is that we get heavily de-contented and dumbed-down versions compared to what’s available in China. The high-end electronics and advanced ADAS systems they offer on their home turf are simply not available to us, which I find quite frustrating. Unfortunately, there’s not much we can do about it.

From what I’ve seen on Thai forums, the Xpeng G6 is currently considered the leader in software and ADAS performance, with the MG IM6 probably a close second. Everything else, including the Zeekr, lags behind for now — though the Zeekr does have the potential to improve over time with OTA updates.

The reason the Xpeng G6 was never on my shortlist is that it doesn’t offer a HUD or air suspension. I’m also a bit of a brake enthusiast, and four-pot front calipers are a must for me, so the G6 feels a bit low-rent in that department. Out of all the contenders, the MG IM6 was probably the most impressive from a pure tech standpoint, but the interior and exterior design just didn’t appeal to me personally.

One final note on both the Zeekr and the Xpeng G6: their dealer networks are still very limited. Pretty much everything is concentrated in Bangkok, unlike BYD and MG which have much wider coverage across the country. That’s definitely something everyone needs to consider based on where they live.

A second final note: Every time I step into the wife's BYD SL7, I am blown away by what that car offers for the price point! I agree with comments often made by some Y-tubers that it is difficult to understand how BYD can screw such a high-end vehicle together at the price point.

Well, one thing for sure with your Zeekr 420-450KW DC charging capability every time you pull-up to most DC chargers the chargers will think, "Oh no, that Zeekr EV is going to ask for over a 400KW charging rate and I won't be able to provide it....I'm going to lose face to that Zeekr." And then your Zeekr pulls away thinking "that charger just couldn't fully satisfy me!" 😁

And your Zeekr AWD has "AC" 22KW capability also....that's very good if your home has the ability to use a 22KW charger (i.e., has adequate 3 phase service)....fully charge your EV's 100KW (94KW useable) battery in around 4 hours 15 minutes. Or when on a road trip and have access to 22KW AC chargers but the DC chargers are all in use/booked being able to charge at a 22KW rate using the charger's AC cable which is usually ignored by people on road trips because most EVs are still equipped with an AC 7KW onboard charger and can't take advantage of a 22KW AC charger.

In a pinch during a road trip charging for an hour on a 22KW AC charger would provide around 125Km in additional range, whereas, a 7KW would only provide around 42km for your Zeekr AWD. Yea, if I was on road trip and stopped for a bathroom break/feed my face break, hooking up to the 22KW charging cable that might also be part of DC charging station (the AC cable most people ignore) would add a nice little range top-up while others queued to use the DC charging cable(s). Yeap, being able to use a 22KW AC charger while on long road trip could come in very handy.

Your Zeekr AWD has you future-proofed charging-wise for a good many years. But for me the automatic doors and air suspension don't earn no brownie points with me--but that's just me. Enjoy your new Zeekr.

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

From what I’ve seen on Thai forums, the Xpeng G6 is currently considered the leader in software and ADAS performance, with the MG IM6 probably a close second. Everything else, including the Zeekr, lags behind for now — though the Zeekr does have the potential to improve over time with OTA updates.

about one and a half years ago, i had to decide whether to order the sealion 7 awd or wait for the zeekr 7x. since the nearest zeekr service center was—and still is—a 7-hour round trip away, i chose the byd sl7 awd.

overall, i’m still happy with my decision, except for the byd software quality ...

i’ve watched a lot of videos about the zekkr 7x, and my impression is that its software is at least two levels better than the sl7!

at mistral54: since you have experience with both models, i’d be interested to know how you would compare the software quality between this two cars? thank you.

And regarding AC chargers, there are well over 5,300 AC 7/11/22KW chargers used by the current major charging networks in Thailand like PTT, EA Anywhere, ReverSharger, PEA, Evolt etc., according to the Electric Vehicle Association of Thailand (EVAT)....see snapshot below. And this only includes charger info from those major charging networks that do report periodic data to EVAT...smaller networks and private commercial networks don't report charger numbers to EVAT although some of those chargers are available for use by certain groups of people.

And installing a commercial 22KW AC charger is a LOT cheaper than a DC charger with a payback time of around 1.2 years versus numerous more years for a DC charger due to the high cost of DC chargers. I expect the number of "commercial" AC 22KW chargers to continue to increase as more EVs have 22KW capability.

EVAT....Number of EV Chargers in Thailand as of 31 Jan 2026

https://evat.or.th/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/20260131_EVAT-Charging-Station_New-01-scaled.webp

Maybe in the near future we will actually see some fuel stations with 30 EV chargers with support for legacy ICE vehicles. Oh what will the future actually bring? 😄

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

about one and a half years ago, i had to decide whether to order the sealion 7 awd or wait for the zeekr 7x. since the nearest zeekr service center was—and still is—a 7-hour round trip away, i chose the byd sl7 awd.

overall, i’m still happy with my decision, except for the byd software quality ...

i’ve watched a lot of videos about the zekkr 7x, and my impression is that its software is at least two levels better than the sl7!

at mistral54: since you have experience with both models, i’d be interested to know how you would compare the software quality between this two cars? thank you.

I am not sure what makes you say this, especially how do you quantify 'two times better'? What is it that you're looking at which makes you believe that the Zeekr software is so much better than the BYD software?

They apply two fundamentally different approaches to vehicle operation. In the BYD, you have a lot more physical buttons that are missing in the Zeekr. Now, this is my personal opinion, but I think the number of physical buttons that you have in the BYD are a blessing. I think the absence of some of those buttons in the Zeekr are a real loss. With that said, it is of course true that the Zeekr has a higher degree of customization possibilities, let's say, of the drive-train, steering, braking, and damping, but I'm not even sure whether this is the same on all models, because not all of them have CCD dampers, never mind the air springs.

One specific example where BYD has a better solution is in the indication of power applied or regen braking, as it shows the actual kilowatt that is either fed to the motors, or the motors feed back into the battery in numerical values. The Zeekr just has an idiot bar that changes color from blue to green and has a certain length. It's totally useless, as far as I'm concerned. It's akin to have an idiot light versus an actual gauge in a conventional ICE car.

Another example is the NFC communication from the app to the car in the BYD, which I found brilliant. The Zeekr, on the other hand, uses Bluetooth from the app, which necessitates that you have Bluetooth on, that you are at a certain distance of the car, and under certain circumstances, the car constantly locks and unlocks if you move around the car or just move the phone a little bit. It's totally idiotic, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Maybe it's my fault, but right now, it is an inferior solution to what BYD has with the NFC. The only disadvantage with the NFC on the BYD is that you can't be gentlemanly and open the passenger door for your wife because there is no NFC reader on the passenger side. And the Zeekr, of course, doesn't care where you're standing around the car, it will always unlock it.

I would agree that if here in Thailand we had the same level of software sophistication that these cars have in China, the Zeekr would probably have much higher marks. But as I said before, they have dumbed down the system on all these cars. There is hardly anything left that sets the Zeekr apart. I should also add that we have the car now for a little over two weeks, and I probably have not been able to dig up all the goodies that are possibly buried somewhere in the Zeekr infotainment. Maybe I will change my opinion in a few weeks or months.

10 hours ago, mistral53 said:

I am not sure what makes you say this, especially how do you quantify 'two times better'? What is it that you're looking at which makes you believe that the Zeekr software is so much better than the BYD software?

thanks for your detailed answer.

the sealion 7 is the top model from byd in thailand, produced by a world-leading electric car manufacturer. however, the software currently available here in thailand still feels very basic and underdeveloped. this is my personal opinion based on about 25,000 km of driving experience. (note: i consider myself a perfectionist and am not easily satisfied ...)

to answer your question, i let google give a go, eg. australian car owners:

Australian users of the BYD Sealion 7 generally find the software to be its weakest link, with complaints focused on invasive or poorly functioning Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS), inconsistent Apple CarPlay/Android Auto connectivity, and buggy infotainment that requires frequent resets. Key issues include overly sensitive braking and lane-keeping, persistent setting resets upon restart, and lack of functional OTA updates.

Major Software Complaints in Australia

Inferior ADAS (Intelligent Driving): Users describe the system as dangerous or ineffective, citing, "phantom" braking at roundabouts, aggressive lane-keeping that feels like a "flat tire," and persistent safety warnings that cannot be permanently disabled.

Glitchy Infotainment & Audio: The system can go "silent," losing all audio including turn signals and warnings, requiring a screen reset (holding the power button for 10 seconds).

Settings Reset: The car often fails to save settings, forcing drivers to turn off features like lane-departure warnings every time they drive.

Climate Control Quirks: The air conditioning often defaults to full-speed defrosting on start-up regardless of settings, described as annoying in warm Australian climates.

Apple CarPlay/Android Auto Issues: Users report intermittent connection failures, failure to show on the instrument cluster, and poor synchronization.

Inoperative App: The mobile app for remote monitoring is often described as glitchy, sometimes displaying incorrect information about door locks.

Limited OTA Updates: Many Australian owners feel they lag behind other markets regarding over-the-air updates, with some reporting difficulties getting their cars to recognize updates.

General Sentiment

While many owners find the physical car comfortable and well-priced, the software often cause significant frustration.

13 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

thanks for your detailed answer.

the sealion 7 is the top model from byd in thailand, produced by a world-leading electric car manufacturer. however, the software currently available here in thailand still feels very basic and underdeveloped. this is my personal opinion based on about 25,000 km of driving experience. (note: i consider myself a perfectionist and am not easily satisfied ...)

to answer your question, i let google give a go, eg. australian car owners:

Australian users of the BYD Sealion 7 generally find the software to be its weakest link, with complaints focused on invasive or poorly functioning Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS), inconsistent Apple CarPlay/Android Auto connectivity, and buggy infotainment that requires frequent resets. Key issues include overly sensitive braking and lane-keeping, persistent setting resets upon restart, and lack of functional OTA updates.

Major Software Complaints in Australia

Inferior ADAS (Intelligent Driving): Users describe the system as dangerous or ineffective, citing, "phantom" braking at roundabouts, aggressive lane-keeping that feels like a "flat tire," and persistent safety warnings that cannot be permanently disabled.

Glitchy Infotainment & Audio: The system can go "silent," losing all audio including turn signals and warnings, requiring a screen reset (holding the power button for 10 seconds).

Settings Reset: The car often fails to save settings, forcing drivers to turn off features like lane-departure warnings every time they drive.

Climate Control Quirks: The air conditioning often defaults to full-speed defrosting on start-up regardless of settings, described as annoying in warm Australian climates.

Apple CarPlay/Android Auto Issues: Users report intermittent connection failures, failure to show on the instrument cluster, and poor synchronization.

Inoperative App: The mobile app for remote monitoring is often described as glitchy, sometimes displaying incorrect information about door locks.

Limited OTA Updates: Many Australian owners feel they lag behind other markets regarding over-the-air updates, with some reporting difficulties getting their cars to recognize updates.

General Sentiment

While many owners find the physical car comfortable and well-priced, the software often cause significant frustration.

That summary sounds like a lot of frustrating issues - since you have a SL7, would you be able to confirm most or some of the problems?

We have an SL7 for a little over one year now, and I could agree with very little that was listed. One reason might be that we have turned off most of the nanny stuff, Thailand does not lend itself to ADAS since we have total lawlessness on the roads, and way too many suicidal 2-wheelers.

It would also be interesting to know how different Thai software is from those down-under - theirs is usually more advanced than what we have here.

As for lane keep assist of the Zeekr 7X, this will give you a hint: (spoiler - silly clip, not confirmed by my limited usage)

3 hours ago, mistral53 said:

That summary sounds like a lot of frustrating issues - since you have a SL7, would you be able to confirm most or some of the problems?

you are right, i don't have some of the seems to be "aussie" issues. eg. with my settings i have no problem with the warning tones etc ...

what i do criticize / think should be better (my subjective opinion), is that a vehicle in this price range lacks some basic functions like:

- the built-in navigation with charging planning is unusable ...

- no camp mode or dog mode ...

- android auto is unreliable and has glitches even with a usb connection ....

- only two regen modes and no one-pedal driving ...

- very limited information on energy consumption: no trip data, no data on auxiliary consumption, no regeneration data, etc.

- ACC/ICC, no speed adjustment in curves, no automatic lane changes ...

- automatic parking would be a nice extra, especially for my wife ...

- in the last 15 months only one OTA update ...

which ev car brand in thailand has a well-working navigation system with up-to-date clever charging planning?

i think many people use google maps for navigation and a separate app's for charging stations.

google maps has announced that it will add EV charging route planning via android auto, but according to the video below, this is not yet available for chinese ev brands ...

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DrmxhtGgg/

11 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

which ev car brand in thailand has a well-working navigation system with up-to-date clever charging planning?

i think many people use google maps for navigation and a separate app's for charging stations.

google maps has announced that it will add EV charging route planning via android auto, but according to the video below, this is not yet available for chinese ev brands ...

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1DrmxhtGgg/

I didn't care for MG's mapping system, and rarely better than Gmap, when using both. Never used it in the EV, assuming same in the ICEV.

Gmap doesn't list all the CS, as no app integrates all the vendors. That would be handy if one app did, especially for single travelers. The wife searches available charging cables while I'm driving, so easy enough for 'me'.

If not for the wife, then it would add a bit of planning, on weekend & holidays, along with the need to actually use the reservation system.

So far, it's been, need to P, or I'm hungry, OK, what's the next PTT, and we simply stop & top up while doing so. If closest is being use, just pop down to the next, and no issues so far. Or we've just been very lucky. We rarely need to use the ones on the other side of the highway, as I try to avoid U-turns and small detours.

Plenty of PTT/EV Station Pluz & Bangchak/PEA Volta CS to chose from.

36 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

So far, it's been, need to P, or I'm hungry, OK, what's the next PTT, and we simply stop & top up while doing so.

we do it the same way. PTT with auto charge is very convincing ...

for 9 months, i only charged at home. but for the past few weeks, we’ve been on a road trip ... so far about 5,000 km. we’ve also been traveling during holidays, and apart from one time where we had to wait about 5 minutes, we’ve never had any problems charging ...

but I realised, for longer distances, a navigation system with a good charging plan would definitely be helpful ...

1 minute ago, motdaeng said:

we do it the same way. PTT with auto charge is very convincing ...

for 9 months, i only charged at home. but for the past few weeks, we’ve been on a road trip ... so far about 5,000 km. we’ve also been traveling during holidays, and apart from one time where we had to wait about 5 minutes, we’ve never had any problems charging ...

but I realised, for longer distances, a navigation system with a good charging plan would definitely be helpful ...

About half of our kms (25k or 58k kms) are from being O&A, and I'm amazed at how good the CS network is. Even during long weekends, we've been lucky, and no need to Q or reserve. Stick with just the 2 vendors mainly, EV Station Pluz & PEA.