Mass Migrant Crossing Floods Texas Border Facilities

[billd766]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that you are on ignore, I never saw that to have a look.

 BBC link for you.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61735603

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The immigrants queuing at the border check point, refer evidence posted above, are following simple rules.

 

 

...and then?  Will they go home and wait for the next step- hearing or whatever?  Or will they disperse around the US into the underground economy?

 

A bit sketchy, arriving on 20 busses, accompanied by Mexican police.

 

Plus, Yahoo News says that they crossed illegally...you can see photos of people crossing the river into the US. Hardly queuing up at the border check point, which is presumably an international bridge. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/migrant-caravan-more-1-000-170312187.html

 

So perhaps they actually AREN'T following simple rules at all.  Simpler would be to apply for a visa at the US consulate closest to their homes, without making the journey to the border.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

It's the same in the UK. The Republican/Conservative Party want lots of exploitable labour for their rich mates. Whilst the Democrat/Labour Party want lots more poor people who will vote for them. So, everyone's happy!????

I call BS.

Migrants aren't citizens who can vote.

In some cases eventually but its a long process when even possible.

Also Latinos who are citizens are not reliably democrats. See Florida. 

[Jingthing]

About what's happening in Juarez / El.Paso now.

 

 

[Scott]

I spent many years working with refugees and displaced people in various places around the world.  I worked at various times with the UN, the Department of State and a few major international NGOs.   The largest groups I worked with were in S.E. Asia (Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos), the Kurds both in Iraq and Turkey but many coming from Iran, the numerous groups from the former Yugoslavia, mostly the Bosnians.

 

The very, very vast majority of those fleeing a country are doing so because they have few other options except to leave.   Other than situations where there are on-going military type battles, people leave for more than one reason.  Those may be economic and because they face persecution.  Because people are poor it does not mean that they do not face persecution.  

 

The journey to either a safe country or a country of first asylum is fraught with perils.  For the Vietnamese boat people, around 400,000 died at sea.  Of those, a low estimate is 10% were killed by pirates.  (Info HERE).  Kurds have fled war, bombing and military strikes in large numbers from both Turkey and Iraq.  There over a million Kurds who are refugees in Iran alone.  There are refugee camps for Iraqi Kurds in Turkey and there was a large refugee camp for Turkish Kurds in Iraq.  Kurds have been killed in large numbers trying to cross borders.  This is something I personally witnessed at the Turkey/Iraq border. 

 

Most refugees do have to pay for the trip.  Some do actually walk, but the vast majority pay.  Most travel in groups and arrange transport along the way.  Families will sell or borrow what money they can to get a family member out -- usually, a young, single male who will get settled and work toward getting the rest of the family out.  When you see an entire family, they have usually sold everything they own to make the journey.   The rate of murder, kidnapping and rape is very high.  Reuters has an article about the current flood of Nicaraguans being kidnapped HERE.   The Rohingyas in Thailand faced kidnapping, murder and being held for ransom by government officials.  If interested there is more HERE.

 

Once they reach a country of first asylum, they will have to be screened.  If they establish a 'well founded fear of persecution', they are granted refugee status.  If not, they may get some form of protective status pending a change in the situation in their home country.  Temporary Protected Status (TPS) is one of those categories.  

I have screened a lot of people for refugee status and it is legalistic process and not easy to get.  People doing the screening do have access to information from inside the country to assure that the claim is valid -- for example, information about where military activities are occurring, where drug cartels are operating, etc.   Being poor is not grounds for asylum.  It also doesn't exclude people.  

 

For those who get screened out, they face removal from the country.  In the US, if you voluntarily deport, you may be allowed to re-enter the US in the future with a visa.  If you are deported through a court proceeding, that door is pretty much shut.  

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

"Ïmmigration to US has slowed....And that's exacerbating the labour shortage problem that we have." Joseph Lavorgna, America Chief Economist at Natixis. 

Not at the southern border. Heard on radio that it's increased dramatically and has overwhelmed resources.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/immigration-border-crisis

As the Title 42 Covid ban nears its end, a migrant surge at the border has already begun

 

Now if only there was some way of slowing the horde, like a wall....................................

Edited December 14, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

 BBC link for you.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61735603

Nothing less that I'd expect from that organisation, including this gem

 

Just days after crossing the border from Guatemala, the meagre supplies in Noé's small rucksack had dwindled, and he had gone with barely any food for several days as he bussed and trudged across the humid, forested landscape of Mexico's Chiapas state, where temperatures rose to a sweltering 34 C during the day.

 

if he had meager supplies of food at the start and

"Mexico was very hard," he said. "The police were bad. They looked for people to take their things and chased us. They charged us bribes when we were already all hungry and tired".

how did he buy food later?

 

Also

This, despite having paid a group of smugglers several thousand dollars for the 2,000-mile (3,332km) trip from his home on the banks of the San Juan River in southern Nicaragua through Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico - a small fortune for a man from a country where the average income per person stands at around $1,850 (£1,533) per year.

So explain how he can come up with several thousand $ for smugglers AND buses AND all the bribes he had to pay on the way, and why any money he had wasn't taken by the bad police.

 

I am not convinced that the BBC is telling the whole truth, as too much that just doesn't pass the BS test.

 

I've seen too many news articles on tv professing to show a starving family when they are all plump and active ( I know what an actually starving person looks like ) to believe much of it anymore.

[vinny41]

20 hours ago, Tug said:

Nope if you rember Donnie always said Mexico would pay for the wall they (declined) then Donnie had a tantrum and shut the fed down when the majority of the lawmakers said no I certainly remember it it was just before Donnie started separating little kids from their moms then losing track of them hope that helps

I think you will find it was the  Obama administration that built those cages in 2014

 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

[Credo]

3 hours ago, vinny41 said:

I think you will find it was the  Obama administration that built those cages in 2014

 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/461230-biden-incorrectly-claims-obama-administration-didnt-separate-families/

Oh goodness, you really are misrepresenting the separation of children from families.  Under Obama, children were only removed from parents when they were accused of a serious crime.  That's no different from when the police arrest parents in the US -- the children are removed; the parents are charged and placed in detention.  Children were also held if they were unaccompanied or were with someone who was not a family member.   

 

Children could be held up to 72 hours and were then transferred to a licensed child care facility, foster care or to a family member living in the US.   This is what happens inside the US when parents are arrested.   

 

Trump, on the other hand, simply took all children from their parents for no good reason.  The separations were not well recorded, and parents were often released or deported without their children.  Neither children or parents had any idea where the other had been taken.  The Trump administration was unable or unwilling to reunite families and this left the gov't with a huge burden of caring for the 5,000++ children for whom the gov't didn't know where the parents were.  5 years later, there are still close to 200 who have not been reunited.  The DAILY cost of care was close to $900 PER DAY to care for them, and a lot of that money went to facilities run by Trump cronies.  

The Biden administration has gone to great lengths to find the parents, including extensive searches in the countries to which they were deported.   

 

It's very unfair to compare the placing of children in care because the parents are incarcerated to those for whom the separation was unnecessary, capricious and inhumane.   

 

A little more info can be found here:   https://www.voanews.com/a/five-years-later-work-of-reuniting-families-separated-at-us-mexico-border-remains-unfinished/6610677.html
 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Credo

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, Credo said:

Oh goodness, you really are misrepresenting the separation of children from families.  Under Obama, children were only removed from parents when they were accused of a serious crime.  That's no different from when the police arrest parents in the US -- the children are removed; the parents are charged and placed in detention.  Children were also held if they were unaccompanied or were with someone who was not a family member.   

 

Children could be held up to 72 hours and were then transferred to a licensed child care facility, foster care or to a family member living in the US.   This is what happens inside the US when parents are arrested.   

 

Trump, on the other hand, simply took all children from their parents for no good reason.  The separations were not well recorded, and parents were often released or deported without their children.  Neither children or parents had any idea where the other had been taken.  The Trump administration was unable or unwilling to reunite families and this left the gov't with a huge burden of caring for the 5,000++ children for whom the gov't didn't know where the parents were.  5 years later, there are still close to 200 who have not been reunited.  The DAILY cost of care was close to $900 PER DAY to care for them, and a lot of that money went to facilities run by Trump cronies.  

The Biden administration has gone to great lengths to find the parents, including extensive searches in the countries to which they were deported.   

 

It's very unfair to compare the placing of children in care because the parents are incarcerated to those for whom the separation was unnecessary, capricious and inhumane.   

 

A little more info can be found here:   https://www.voanews.com/a/five-years-later-work-of-reuniting-families-separated-at-us-mexico-border-remains-unfinished/6610677.html
 

So my post that stated Obama administration that built those cages in 2014 was correct