US sues Arizona over shipping container border wall

[Scott]

The US government is suing Arizona's governor over the construction of a makeshift barrier made of shipping containers at the US-Mexico border.

Governor Doug Ducey began building the barrier earlier this year, saying it was an attempt to "secure" the border.

But in its lawsuit, the government claimed Arizona was trespassing on federal lands.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63991451

[thaibeachlovers]

No wonder so many US citizens hate the Democrats.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No wonder so many US citizens hate the Democrats.

Fortunately those citizens are in the minority.

[Purdey]

Thank goodness it is a Republican governor is stealing government land. ????

[metisdead]

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[Isaan sailor]

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

International laws to which the US is  signatory require that bona fide refugees be given a hearing and resettlement. It also requires that applicants have their cases assessed. Nobody, including Democrats, opposes deporting applicants whose cases are rejected following a hearing.

 

Here's a link that shows Democrats not exactly opening the borders.

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-administration-has-reduced-deportations-more-trump-administration-not-much-0

[Phoenix Rising]

17 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

"How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?"

0.018

 

"How much more fentanyl do we need?"

132 grams.

 

"And how many more terrorists should we let in?"

3.

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[Bluespunk]

31 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

I bet many of them can.
 

Have you asked them all?

Edited December 16, 2022 by Bluespunk

[swm59nj]

I’m totally against illegal immigration.  It causes crime and other issues.  I’m not promoting this so called makeshift barrier or whatever it is. 
Some people on the forums criticize the USA and President on immigration policies.  Which are not perfect.  But I wonder how many of these critics living in Thailand are guilty themselves.  Because overstaying,  not having the proper visa,  not registering with immigration with proper forms as required.  That is illegal immigration also. 

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

Wow.  Fentanyl comes in cars and trucks through legal crossings by citizen smugglers.  9-11 terrorists came in through airport immigration.  Get a clue dude, you listening to opinions from Fox, which are all fabrications and zero "news"  https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers#:~:text=But the opposite is true,person crossing the border illegally.

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Skallywag

[Skallywag]

11 minutes ago, swm59nj said:

 not having the proper visa

What do you call using a Visa agent to skirt the rules and get the proper stamp in your passport?  Not totally "legal" in my mind, but never bring that up with someone who uses this method

[billd766]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No wonder so many US citizens hate the Democrats.

No wonder so many US citizens hate the Republicans as well.

 

BTW the current Republican governor has only a short time left before he is replaced by a Democrat.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63991451

 

The legal action comes three weeks before Governor Ducey's last day in office, when he will step aside for Democrat Katie Hobbs who has previously said she opposes the barrier.  

Ms Hobbs is yet to decide on what to do with the containers. She has said that she is exploring all options, and warned that removing the containers may be costly.

The government is seeking a court order to stop the building of the barrier and to remove the shipping containers in Arizona's San Rafael Valley.

[Tug]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

Oh I beg to differ the dems have been trying for years to get the republicans to the table to reform immigration but the republicans seem to value the theater of this mess to pander for votes now gov ducys actions are providing excellent cover and storage for the smugglers and coyotes with the added bonus of disrupting nature it’s expensive theater no more

[Woof999]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

And how many more terrorists should we let in?

Possibly the most notorious terrorism event in US history was 911. A wall would have made no difference.

 

Wiki - if you have a better source then cite it quotes:

 

"In 2018, most idelogically motivated murders in the United States of Americ were linked to right-wing extremism".

"As of 2020, right-wing extremist terrorism accounted for the majority of the terrorist attacks and plots in the US..."

 

How does your wall stop this? Your biggest issues lie within.

 

[placeholder]

19 hours ago, swm59nj said:

I’m totally against illegal immigration.  It causes crime and other issues.  I’m not promoting this so called makeshift barrier or whatever it is. 
Some people on the forums criticize the USA and President on immigration policies.  Which are not perfect.  But I wonder how many of these critics living in Thailand are guilty themselves.  Because overstaying,  not having the proper visa,  not registering with immigration with proper forms as required.  That is illegal immigration also. 

OCTOBER 13, 2020 4:16PM

New Research on Illegal Immigration and Crime

In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

 

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, swm59nj said:

But I wonder how many of these critics living in Thailand are guilty themselves.  Because overstaying,  not having the proper visa,  not registering with immigration with proper forms as required.

Probably none.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Skallywag said:

What do you call using a Visa agent to skirt the rules and get the proper stamp in your passport?  Not totally "legal" in my mind, but never bring that up with someone who uses this method

I used an agent and totally legit, but perhaps you are talking about people that use corrupt agents.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Woof999 said:

Possibly the most notorious terrorism event in US history was 911. A wall would have made no difference.

 

Wiki - if you have a better source then cite it quotes:

 

"In 2018, most idelogically motivated murders in the United States of Americ were linked to right-wing extremism".

"As of 2020, right-wing extremist terrorism accounted for the majority of the terrorist attacks and plots in the US..."

 

How does your wall stop this? Your biggest issues lie within.

 

IMO stopping terrorists was never the motivation for the wall, but an added extra. IMO it was always about stopping people just walking into the USA without documentation.

 

BTW Israel seems to believe their wall stops terrorists. They certainly didn't build it to stop illegal immigrants.

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO stopping terrorists was never the motivation for the wall, but an added extra. IMO it was always about stopping people just walking into the USA without documentation.

 

BTW Israel seems to believe their wall stops terrorists. They certainly didn't build it to stop illegal immigrants.

You do no research at all and keep changing your narrative like the breeze.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/trump-incorrectly-links-immigration-terrorism/576358/

[vandeventer]

20 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

How many more millions of the world’s destitute do we need?  How much more fentanyl do we need?  And how many more terrorists should we let in?  Democrats can’t answer these questions.

At the rate things are going South America will soon be one with America and who is going to pay for all these people?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

At the rate things are going South America will soon be one with America and who is going to pay for all these people?

Immigrants typically employ more people than locally born.  Just keeping it real.

 

Study: Immigrants in the U.S. are more likely to start firms, create jobs

Compared to native-born citizens, immigrants are more frequently involved in founding companies at all scales.

 

https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start-firms-create-jobs-0509

Edited December 17, 2022 by ozimoron

[riclag]

50 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

At the rate things are going South America will soon be one with America and who is going to pay for all these people?

 People from many countries not just SA .

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/migrants-from-all-over-world-cross-southern-border-in-record-numbers

 
 

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by riclag

[riclag]

54 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

At the rate things are going South America will soon be one with America and who is going to pay for all these people?

If you come through properly  ,the opportunity is endless ! Not sure about the other way ( purposely skipping by law enforcement )