Seven shot dead at Jerusalem synagogue

[Scott]

Seven people have been shot dead at a synagogue in East Jerusalem, with at least three others injured.

The incident happened in the city's Neve Yaakov neighbourhood at around 20:15 local time (18:15 GMT).

Police described the attacker as a "terrorist" and said he had been "neutralised".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64430491

 

[Tug]

Horrible but sadly not surprising given what the Israeli did in Gaza just sad ???? 

[ozimoron]

38 minutes ago, Tug said:

Horrible but sadly not surprising given what the Israeli did in Gaza just sad ???? 

The religious right are in control now. The most far right government in Israeli history.

[Tropposurfer]

Got zero time for Israel or Israelis. A nation that has turned into the fascists they loathed and suffered under both pre and during WWII.

I'm NOT an anti-semite but I am a pro-humanitarian.

Remember the journalist woman they shot (state sanctioned murder) a while back then lied through their teeth about it ?!

Ya spend about 80 years disenfranchising and disempowering a group to the point they have no space, no peace, no rights, no place in their own ancestral lands and then cry foul that they are bad people and terrorists when they literally go mad from the abuse and react to your abuse by fighting back. Israel has systematically terrorised systematically carried out a Pogram of genocide against the Palestinian people (we saw last night go into homes and beat, arrest, shackle and kill 9 Palestinians in their homes) and have been aided and abetted by lots of Western countries in doing so.

[Hanaguma]

IF the Israelis actually are committing genocide against the Palestinians, they are doing a pretty poor job of it.  The population in places like Gaza is exploding (maybe I should use a better adjective)...

 

When I hear people fighting about "ancestral lands" it makes me yawn.  Same everywhere. Native people want their "ancestal lands" back, Russia wants their "ancestral lands" in Ukraine, China wants their "ancestral lands" in Taiwan, all the same.  Back in 1948 the Arab League tried to get back the "ancestral lands" by killing all the Jews that lived there. They failed. Now they need to learn to accept the consequences. 

 

If you want to be Palestinian anywhere in the Middle East, Israel is probably the best place to be. Palestinians are citizens, vote, are in government, and have protection.  It is a messy region, Israel is the least messy of the countries there. 

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

Got zero time for Israel or Israelis. A nation that has turned into the fascists they loathed and suffered under both pre and during WWII.

I'm NOT an anti-semite but I am a pro-humanitarian.

Remember the journalist woman they shot (state sanctioned murder) a while back then lied through their teeth about it ?!

Ya spend about 80 years disenfranchising and disempowering a group to the point they have no space, no peace, no rights, no place in their own ancestral lands and then cry foul that they are bad people and terrorists when they literally go mad from the abuse and react to your abuse by fighting back. Israel has systematically terrorised systematically carried out a Pogram of genocide against the Palestinian people (we saw last night go into homes and beat, arrest, shackle and kill 9 Palestinians in their homes) and have been aided and abetted by lots of Western countries in doing so.

I got zero time for America or Americans. A nation fillled with fascists with guns who routinely oppress black, brown and Jewish people and have turned into the facsists they loathed.
I'm NOT an anti-American, but I am a pro-humanitarian.
Remember the journalist Gary Webb who they shot (state sanctioned murder) a while back then lied through their teeth about it ?! 
Ya spend about 400 years enslaving, disenfranchising and disempowering a group to the point where they have no space, no peace, no rights, no place in their own lands that they were forcibly relocated to, and cry foul that they are bad people and criminals when they literally go mad from the abuse and react to your abuse by fighting back. The USA has systematically terrorised systematically carried out a Pogrom of genocide against the Black people (we saw today the horrible beating to death of the guy in Memphis) and have been aided and abetted by lots of Western White Supremacists in doing so.

You are an anti-Semite singling out Israel and applying a uniform label on Israelis simply for being citizens of a country whose government you dislike. You talk about Israel, yet have nothing to say about the dozens of countries with far worse laws, human rights records, killings of journalists and repression of their population or minorities.
 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

Got zero time for Israel or Israelis. A nation that has turned into the fascists they loathed and suffered under both pre and during WWII.

 

This is a thread about seven Israel Jews being murdered and you are stating that Israelis are the same as Nazis .

   I think its better not to reply to your points , as its going off topic 

[JCauto]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This is a thread about seven Israel Jews being murdered and you are stating that Israelis are the same as Nazis .

   I think its better not to reply to your points , as its going off topic 

Oh but they DESERVED it! Evil Jews who supported the existence of Israel! Just Palestinians fighting back!

This is what Anti-Semitism is, dehumanization and hatred.

[Mac Mickmanus]

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Back in 1948 the Arab League tried to get back the "ancestral lands" by killing all the Jews that lived there.

Not forgetting that Jews had continuously been living on the land for 3000 years , Jerusalem's Temple of David was built 3000 years ago

[chuang]

Innocents were murdered and the arabs are celebrating...

[JCauto]

7 hours ago, Tug said:

Horrible but sadly not surprising given what the Israeli did in Gaza just sad ???? 

Okay. Then please apply this standard any time any innocent people are murdered by terrorists for political purposes. 

Thousands killed at the World Trade Center? Terrible, but not really surprising given what the Americans did in the Middle East. 

129 French kids killed at the Batoclan concert for Ariana Grande? Not surprising given how the French treated the Algerians or discriminate against Muslims in the Banlieus.

 

Just keep that energy for every time some completely innocent person is killed because of someone else's political ideology. I'm sure it's mere coincidence that this vitriol seems only reserved for Israel, clearly the worst and most undemocratic country in the Middle East with the least respect for Human Rights. The "but" is just another way to dehumanize the victims who were not targeted for anything any individual one of them did. So don't be discriminatory, add that "but" to every innocent victim is in your comments.

All of you who wrote or liked this comment should really reflect about your internal dialogue and whether you actually do harbor some sentiment against a certain race of people. Or, like I said, bring out them "buts" as a response to every tragedy.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 hours ago, Scott said:

Police described the attacker as a "terrorist" and said he had been "neutralised".

Good. No other way to deal with murderers like this.

 

Unfortunately the situation has been deteriorating badly and an escalation like this was predicted.

 

2022 Among Deadliest Years for Palestinians in West Bank, Middle East Peace Process Coordinator Tells Security Council

Speakers Criticize Organ’s Longstanding Failure to Resolve Conflict, End Occupation

Amid a situation in a downward spiral, marked by an increase in violence across the Occupied Palestinian Territory, determined actions by both parties are urgently needed to reverse negative trends on the ground, the senior United Nations official for the Middle East peace process told the Security Council today, cautioning delegates that a failure to address the root causes of the escalation will only worsen an already explosive situation.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2022-among-deadliest-years-palestinians-west-bank-middle-east-peace-process-coordinator-tells-security-council

[connda]

The struggle of native Palestinians and Israelis is an ongoing tragedy in motion.

Israel send troops into Palestinian areas and the result is usually dead Palestinians.
"Nine Palestinians have been killed during an Israeli military raid in the occupied West Bank - the deadliest in years - Palestinian officials say.
-- BBC

Then we get this.  Right or wrong, it's biblical "an eye for an eye."  Israel will respond in kind.  Palestinians will reciprocate. Ad-infinitum. ????

This has been going on most of my life, and again - it is tragic.  I have no answers.
I find it immensely sad for the average Palestinian and Israeli citizens.  Prayers for both sides.  I wish there was a way to resolve the mutual hatred.  ????

Edited January 28, 2023 by connda

[2baht]

51 minutes ago, chuang said:

Innocents were murdered and the arabs are celebrating...

A day after 9 Arabs were murdered?

[tj916]

Such a shame for the Palestines. Such a peaceful and forward thinking society.

In fact just like other countries in that area.

Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen,Egypt,  Lebanon, Saudi ,Rotherham, Bradford.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This is a thread about seven Israel Jews being murdered and you are stating that Israelis are the same as Nazis .

   I think its better not to reply to your points , as its going off topic 

They were shot in retaliation for the 10 Palestinians killed a few days back. That's what happens when one nation illegally occupies another's land, collectively punishes them for any attempt to free themselves from the occupiers, and gives them no hope for freedom.

Lock up millions of people for decades, and the result is entirely forseeable.

 

Give a people no hope and they have nothing to lose. The PA has withdrawn all co operation with the occupying government, so expect more such.

 

One could expect the Israelis to know what Hosea 8:7 says  “For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”. They have sown the wind, and the whirlwind is coming.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, 2baht said:

A day after 9 Arabs were murdered?

10 Palestinians. Including a woman that was no part of the group being attacked.

 

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/10-palestinians-killed-in-deadliest-israel-raids-in-years-3727752

Among those confirmed dead in Jenin was Majeda Obeid, 61, who lived some metres from the house targeted by the Israeli forces.

Her daughter, Kefiyat Obeid, told AFP her mother was shot as she peered out her window at the clashes.

 

According to Al Jazeera, the Israelis used anti tank weapons in a residential area and destroyed a house.

[candide]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

If you want to be Palestinian anywhere in the Middle East, Israel is probably the best place to be. Palestinians are citizens, vote, are in government, and have protection.  It is a messy region, Israel is the least messy of the countries there. 

Ahem! They are not allowed to go back there.

[2baht]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

According to Al Jazeera, the Israelis used anti tank weapons in a residential area and destroyed a house.

I hope the Palestinians respond with stones and sling shots. Shame they don't have a few Appache attack helicopters!

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They were shot in retaliation for the 10 Palestinians killed a few days back. That's what happens when one nation illegally occupies another's land, collectively punishes them for any attempt to free themselves from the occupiers, and gives them no hope for freedom.

Lock up millions of people for decades, and the result is entirely forseeable.

 

Those shot Palestinians were terrorists who were about to engage in terrorism and resisted arrest which led to a firefight and they got killed , also some people got shot in the crossfire  .

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, candide said:

Ahem! They are not allowed to go back there.

Really? There are about 2 million Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage, not sure what you mean.

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Really? There are about 2 million Israeli citizens of Palestinian heritage, not sure what you mean.

Those who fled or were expelled during the 1947–49 war, and the Six-Day War were not/ are not allowed to come back.

 

In addition, what has been left to the Palestians is not sustainable from an economic point of view, as the most wealthy parts are controlled by Israel, in particular the Jordan valley.

Edited January 28, 2023 by candide

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Those who fled or were expelled during the 1947–49 war, and the Six-Day War were not/ are not allowed to come back.

And the Jews who fled Countries in the Middle east are not allowed to go back either . 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Those shot Palestinians were terrorists who were about to engage in terrorism and resisted arrest which led to a firefight and they got killed , also some people got shot in the crossfire  .

So that is OK then? Seems you don't put much stock in Palestinian lives- all terrorists or something, so OK for them to be killed?

 

Resist arrest? Knowing what would happen to them if they just gave up what else could they do?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So that is OK then? Seems you don't put much stock in Palestinian lives- all terrorists or something, so OK for them to be killed?

 

Resist arrest? Knowing what would happen to them if they just gave up what else could they do?

People about to carry out terror attacks should be stopped and if that means they they killed in an attempt to stop them, then so be it  .

   The dead Palestinians were terrorists and had intended to carry out a terror attack

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

People about to carry out terror attacks should be stopped and if that means they they killed in an attempt to stop them, then so be it  .

   The dead Palestinians were terrorists and had intended to carry out a terror attack

and if any innocent people get killed along with them that's OK is it?

[candide]

29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And the Jews who fled Countries in the Middle east are not allowed to go back either . 

It's bad but it's not an excuse.

(Not sure they are not allowed to go back to all ME countries, BTW. A significant part of the Jewish exodus has been voluntary) .

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and if any innocent people get killed along with them that's OK is it?

I will ask you the same question In relation to this story , do you think that its OK to target innocent people ?

   

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

It's bad but it's not an excuse.

(Not sure they are not allowed to go back to all ME countries, BTW. A significant part of the Jewish exodus has been voluntary) .

Jews who fled the Middle East to Israel still own property there worth something like 400 Billion U.S Dollars and why do you think that Jews voluntarily left those Countries?

   Its because they faced a certain degree of persecution or discrimination  there 

[tj916]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

They were shot in retaliation for the 10 Palestinians killed a few days back. That's what happens when one nation illegally occupies another's land, collectively punishes them for any attempt to free themselves from the occupiers, and gives them no hope for freedom.

Lock up millions of people for decades, and the result is entirely forseeable.

 

Give a people no hope and they have nothing to lose. The PA has withdrawn all co operation with the occupying government, so expect more such.

 

One could expect the Israelis to know what Hosea 8:7 says  “For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”. They have sown the wind, and the whirlwind is coming.

Bomber Harris used that quote as well, and look how that worked out!

I should be careful what you wish for.