British family's heartbreaking ordeal after loved one died in Thailand bike accident - and the journey to bring him home

[Cricky]

44 minutes ago, markclover said:

Only one number saved.  Haha.  This guy was up to something 

You may be on to something.

 

The article reads 'He goes over there in the winter for three months usually because he can’t stand the cold, that’s what he used to say'.

Edited February 2, 2023 by Cricky

[NanLaew]

59 minutes ago, jesimps said:

2 hours ago, Bundooman said:

Not all members, perhaps, I might add. I think it is unreasonable to mention the 'no ID' fact.

How many people do you know who go out without money on them, sometimes contained in a wallet.

The article fails to mention if he had money on his person and if you're riding an expensive machine as he was, wouldn't most people have reserve money on them?

It is reasonable to speculate whether the guy had had money on him when the accident occured.

This is a forum. Why get so 'offended' by what others write?

But help yourself if you are offended by my comments, OK

Don't forget your wallet when you go out .............!

There's always one goody two shoes/teachers pet type on every forum. I think they actually get off on being holier than thou.

There's always the mindless trolls too.

 

What floats your boat BTW?

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Such compassion.. amazing.

What's compassion? The whole world is full of tears of those that lost relatives and friends- shall we cry for them all?

Do you feel sad for those you never knew?

Death is inevitable for us all, but the living grieve for the person they knew that will never be seen again.

Perhaps working in an occupation where people died all the time made me hardened to death, so I don't see it like those that never see death.

[NextG]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Human nature. No different to passersby gathering to gawp at a road accident. No need to call down hell fire on people for acting naturally.

Of course it’s different, don’t be stupid. 

[NextG]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's compassion? The whole world is full of tears of those that lost relatives and friends- shall we cry for them all?

Do you feel sad for those you never knew?

Death is inevitable for us all, but the living grieve for the person they knew that will never be seen again.

Perhaps working in an occupation where people died all the time made me hardened to death, so I don't see it like those that never see death.

You don’t need to cry. You don’t need to comment at all. 

[soalbundy]

13 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Such compassion.. amazing.

One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the death of Tiny Tim.

[Orinoco]

R.I.P and condolences to family and friends.

 

Couldn't find any details about the accident, did he have a crash helmet on ?

I see so many not care about this, even seen a few falangs here in nongkhai riding with out one.  just stupid in my book. 

 

Riding and driving in Thailand, sure can be difficult

You need to be on ultra high alert at all times.

even then it's no guarantee of safety.

Take care on the roads.

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, NextG said:

You don’t need to cry. You don’t need to comment at all. 

It's a forum, and I'll comment if I want to.

Don't like it, don't click on threads that will obviously contain such comments.

[CharlieH]

Reported trolling content removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I wonder what your family will put on your gravestone.

 

(rhetorical)

I can only speak for myself but no desire to be remembered in this rotten world. Ashes to be scattered without any memorial suits me.

[alex8912]

40 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

He doesn't need care and never did. My Father-in-law (78) skin and bones, eats his breakfast then my wife and I carry him to a mat on the lawn where he falls asleep, he awakens midday to drink his quota of lau kao and eat dinner then is carried back to his mat until the evening when he is woken up to eat again before being carried to bed. My wife and MIL have to bathe him every day. He is now deaf and speaks little. We have all been expecting his death for the last 5 years but he wont go, it will be a relief for all, especially for him.

I just read your post and don't understand for a second how this would not be a major relief for your wife and MIL. I certainly feel sorry for them. 

[Moti24]

4 hours ago, Cricky said:

OMG, I did not read any report regarding the WALLET.

 

Another member with speculation and hypothesis.

 

I always look forward to the great detective work by our AN members.

 

I'm offended at times by the speculators and their theories.

I'm offended that you say 'presumably no wallet'.

These references are offensive, if you want to investigate the case I'm sure the cops will offer you their evidence.

 

At times some members make comments trying their best to belittle other members, this must be stopped.

 

This is my opinion and that of other members.

Sure, This forum is about voicing your opinions but to belittle others unacceptable.

 

About 3-4 years ago, a woman was killed whilst crossing a busy dual-carriageway near me.  When the emergency services arrived, she had no ID or bag, and yet she was on her way to 7/ll to buy a few things.  It was 2 weeks later that she was eventually identified, by a local man who had seen her walking towards the dual-carriageway on the evening of the accident.

 

UK Rules posted what we all know was a likely scenario.  Unfortunately, it happens too often. 

 

Maybe you should get out more and see the real world, and give the other posters a bit more respect.  

Edited February 2, 2023 by Moti24

[NextG]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's a forum, and I'll comment if I want to.

Don't like it, don't click on threads that will obviously contain such comments.

You are being silly again…. How would I know what would be posted before reading? 
Of course you can comment and people can comment on your comment, that’s how it works. 

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, ukrules said:

4 hours ago, Cricky said:

Riding his motorbike without any identification on him.

You don't know that at all,

He sort of does, the other person involved in the accident was quoted as stating that he was found with no ID on him.

Edited February 2, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[NextG]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I can only speak for myself but no desire to be remembered in this rotten world. Ashes to be scattered without any memorial suits me.

You really seem to have gone downhill since leaving Thailand. Just an opinion. 

[NanLaew]

43 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

A tragic motorbike accident like so many in Thailand. From the original article:

 

"The family have also set up a GoFundMe Page to get some help with the costs of the funeral to give their loved one the send off he deserves, and the generosity of others has seen the fundraiser reach £2,450."

 

Is this the new style to beg for money in such cases? I see this more and more often. Are other people behind this or only the family? 

Just after New Year, an acquaintance of mine had a nasty fall from his push bike while doing his daily exercise runs. Head injuries, concussion, broken collar bone, broken ribs and a punctured lung. Being over seventy and, like a lot of old, long-time lurkers in Thailand, bereft of insurance, it fell to his circle of friends to contact his family while he languished in 25k baht/day ICU. A GoFundMe page was also set up by his daughter and son before they flew over, assisted by the same circle of friends, to sit bedside. This same circle of friends, including myself, also made local cash donations to keep the hospital account current. My acquaintance wasn't totally bereft of savings having been unable to do his annual home visits during Covid but those 'savings' were quickly wiped out by the ICU bills. This circle of friends also took it it turns to keep visiting him regularly and ease the bedside vigil of his relatives.

 

The good news that he's out of ICU and was discharged last week into a local nursing home. Unfortunately, they had a Covid outbreak and he caught a mild infection and was moved back to the hospital. However, they reckon he'll be discharged next week and physio will be part of his slow recovery.

 

The circle of friends now includes the 31 people who contributed $6,281 to the GoFundMe.

 

Nobody had to 'beg for money' here.

[NanLaew]

59 minutes ago, damo1967 said:

I just knew this article was going to end with mention of a 'GoFundMe'.. pfft..  Why the need for this GoFundMe?  Let his 'insurance' cover all the repatriation & funeral costs etc.  Why should innocent people continually get asked to donate to these such causes?

Grandpa surely:-

1. would have taken out adequate insurance before going to Thailand to cover his unfortunate death,

2. would have had a legal proper motorbike licence to be able to ride in Thailand, and

3. would not have gotten on his bike if he had been drinking.

 

If 'yes' to all the above 3, then there is no need for a GoFundMe.  (GoFundMe's were not designed for people to donate for 'idiots' who did not take out proper insurance etc, and to do stupid things in Thailand)

 

If 'no' to even one of the above 3, then Grandpa made his bed, so let him lay in it now.

 

I will be donating 'zero', 'zilch', 'not a damn penny' for Grandpa as there should not be a need to. 

Solution:- cancel the GoFundMe and burn him at one of the local temples.

Thus speaketh the friendless.

[NanLaew]

1 minute ago, alex8912 said:

I'll make a point. Since he conceived " little Tony" at age seventeen, that means he also started leaving " little Tony" for three full months since " little Tony" was nine years old.  If he has any other children he has been leaving them for three months at a younger age. 

Many people, including myself, work away from home, in different countries, for anything between a few weeks to "three full months" at a time.

 

Do I need to apologize to my two sons for being a bad father?

[damo1967]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Thus speaketh the friendless.

Great reply!  But if only it made some kind of sense, or was relevant to the topic.. ahh well.. good job on trying.  Keep it up.

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, JWRC said:

The stranger who was visiting a friend found out about the John Doe, and decided to help, well, how did he know who he was?

 

The OP link, that you didn't bother to read, explains that.

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Not the best way to end a life, and tragically the family are left to suffer.

When will they ever learn? RIP

 

We would very much prefer a life to end during a bonk.

Edited February 2, 2023 by BigStar

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Bundooman said:

if you're riding an expensive machine as he was,

What was he riding?  Was it his?

[Derek B]

I cannot help but think the police could of done more to identify the deceased perhaps they needed more time.

 

Personal possessions have been known to go missing or misplaced from accident victims.

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

Must of bypassed the finger printing part at immigration. Well, at Suvarnabhumi immigration anyways. Could also be the BiB didn't bother checking for his prints.

Yeah, must of.

[alex8912]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Many people, including myself, work away from home, in different countries, for anything between a few weeks to "three full months" at a time.

 

Do I need to apologize to my two sons for being a bad father?

No. 
Did you go to Thailand for three months to have fun sometimes alone without them?

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

Let me be callously logical here, how are they suffering? What difference would it have made if they had known from day one when he had died? People die all the time, 61 was a bit early but he was having a good time, millions die due to really tragic circumstances, starvation as a child, torture, war, hypothermia, poverty in general. Why must Granddad be brought back home? He's dead, he doesn't care where he is; just to put his urn containing his ashes on the shelf and then life goes on. Storm in a tea cup.

Then again, they may be Catholic.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, 2008bangkok said:

I would imagine this is the UK embassy fault not the Thais.

Isnt normal protocol to find.out the nationality then contact the relevant country embassy and they deal with it?

"Isnt normal protocol to find.out the nationality..."

How do they do that if he is unidentifiable?

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, Cricky said:

We are not here to investigate.

But . . . but . . . without our investigations, speculations, conspiracies, and working in a bit of Thai bashing, we got--nothing but facts. That ain't no fun.

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

He's dead, he doesn't care where he is; just to put his urn containing his ashes on the shelf and then life goes on.

Could he but express his own wishes, he'd surely want his ashes scattered in Pattaya Bay.

Edited February 2, 2023 by BigStar

[alex8912]

The Thai cops are such great detectives. Does anyone think that they now learned the " complete stranger's technique" when you find a dead person with no ID but a phone that you can put the SIM card of that person in another phone and gain some contacts?