Blinken: Crimea a ‘red line’ for Putin as Ukraine weighs plans to retake it

[onthedarkside]

 

A Ukrainian attempt to retake Crimea would be a red line for Vladimir Putin that could lead to a wider Russian response, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a Zoom call with a group of experts Wednesday.

 

The Russian president sees Crimea as fully part of Russia, not Ukraine, and would be loath to see the peninsula ripped from his clutches — even though that’s precisely what he did to Ukraine nearly a decade ago.

 

Republican and Democratic administrations have since then said repeatedly that “Crimea is Ukraine.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/15/blinken-crimea-ukraine-putin-00083149

 

[internationalism]

that's good he aknowleged russian red line. Now america has to change it's international relation policies, to include that fact.

This war for america is not Ukraine, which is periferial for their interests, but germany - the centre of competitive to the USA european union. Germany and the rest of europe is losing economically in this war, the USA is gaining by LNG export and forcing european companies to relocate to american cheap energy and gas

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, internationalism said:

that's good he aknowleged russian red line. Now america has to change it's international relation policies, to include that fact.

This war for america is not Ukraine, which is periferial for their interests, but germany - the centre of competitive to the USA european union. Germany and the rest of europe is losing economically in this war, the USA is gaining by LNG export and forcing european companies to relocate to american cheap energy and gas

 

He doesn't "acknowledge" the red line. He's saying Putin will go all nut job and take the ship with him rather than go down alone which is what would happen if Ukraine took back Crimea. 

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, internationalism said:

that's good he aknowleged russian red line. Now america has to change it's international relation policies, to include that fact.

This war for america is not Ukraine, which is periferial for their interests, but germany - the centre of competitive to the USA european union. Germany and the rest of europe is losing economically in this war, the USA is gaining by LNG export and forcing european companies to relocate to american cheap energy and gas

 

 Ukraine needs to do is take back Crimea I’d love to see them drive down and recapture maropul then destroy Putin’s bridge of looting thereby trapping the orks starve them a bit then start negotiating the total abject surrender of all Russian forces in Ukraine +reparations let the Russian people take care of mr Putin Mussolini style everyone knows Putin covets Crimea heck he covets all of Ukraine and Eastern Europe remove the head of the snake!

[ozimoron]

If Russia controls Crimea it controls sea traffic to the port of Odessa so it's critical that Ukraine take it back. 

[internationalism]

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

He doesn't "acknowledge" the red line. He's saying Putin will go all nut job and take the ship with him rather than go down alone which is what would happen if Ukraine took back Crimea. 

Blinken said "wider Russian response" and not "go all nut job and take the ship with him".

 

actually, the first paragraph of this article: "The secretary of state, in a private call with experts, expressed his hesitation about a possible Ukrainian offensive for the peninsula.".

 

and further:

"The top diplomat’s comments, sure to frustrate Kyiv, came after someone on the private call asked if the U.S. is willing to help Ukraine realize its long-term goal of retaking the territory seized by Moscow."

 

That means that ukraine is not important for the  USA anymore. Shifting now to controll germany and europe

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by internationalism

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, internationalism said:

that's good he aknowleged russian red line. Now america has to change it's international relation policies, to include that fact.

This war for america is not Ukraine, which is periferial for their interests, but germany - the centre of competitive to the USA european union. Germany and the rest of europe is losing economically in this war, the USA is gaining by LNG export and forcing european companies to relocate to american cheap energy and gas

 

This is a good thing. Wean Europe off Putin's blood oil and get them instead to import their energy from friendly nations.  Nothing wrong with that. 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Hanaguma

[Tug]

24 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This is a good thing. Wean Europe off Putin's blood oil and get them instead to import their energy from friendly nations.  Nothing wrong with that. 

Not to mention a strong reason to wean ourselves off fossil fuels and transition towards renewables nothing wrong with that as well + making nato stronger to resist and stop any country making wars on its neighbors for conquest or material 

[Jingthing]

Russia has crossed so many red lines that you may as well stop counting.

It's falling for Putin's fear mongering threats to take his red lines seriously. 

Taking Crimea means Ukraine wins and Putin probably is literally dead.

So yes, he cares a lot about it.

More reason to take it ASAP. 

[candide]

While it may possibly make sense, It's not smart to state it publicly. It's a very bad negotiation tactic.

[AndyFoxy]

A red line for Putin too

[mikebike]

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

If Russia controls Crimea it controls sea traffic to the port of Odessa so it's critical that Ukraine take it back. 

It seems clear that Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea was primarily to reestablish control over the Sevastopol Naval Base from which they can project power throughout the Black Sea, and, depending on Turkish whims, into the Med.

 

It is also clear that Russia's initial goals have changed considerably since the invasion and now they seem to be content, for the moment, in establishing a land bridge to Crimea to. alleviate the many issues they are having in administering the annexed territory.

 

Ukraine can thwart Russia's goals without physically retaking Crimea. If they can retake Mariupol, break the bridge and hold it, they effectively isolate Crimea without the difficult offensive.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, internationalism said:

That means that ukraine is not important for the  USA anymore. Shifting now to controll germany and europe

I doubt it's not important, but IMO rather that the US realises what is at stake if Ukraine were to try and take it, and is not going to go down that road to WW3, if it can.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

The Russian president sees Crimea as fully part of Russia, not Ukraine, and would be loath to see the peninsula ripped from his clutches — even though that’s precisely what he did to Ukraine nearly a decade ago.

 

Republican and Democratic administrations have since then said repeatedly that “Crimea is Ukraine.”

Well, it belonged to the Ottoman empire till 1783, so perhaps it belongs to Turkey.

Seriously, Russia has a better claim to it than Ukraine, IMO.

 

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

 

Crimea was part of Russia from 1783, when the Tsarist Empire annexed it a decade after defeating Ottoman forces in the Battle of Kozludzha, until 1954, when the Soviet government transferred Crimea from the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics (RSFSR) to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (UkrSSR).

[Tug]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I doubt it's not important, but IMO rather that the US realises what is at stake if Ukraine were to try and take it, and is not going to go down that road to WW3, if it can.

Naaa the USA wants that evil dwarf out of ALL Ukrainian including Crimea that he stole in 2014 he’s a thief and a warmongering criminal slava Ukraine evict the looting murdering rapists from your lands!

[Jingthing]

Crimea is Ukraine!

 

Unabashedly pro Ukrainian!

 

 

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts about the US are at war in several countries and the replies have been removed.  This topic is about:

 

Blinken: Crimea a ‘red line’ for Putin as Ukraine weighs plans to retake it

[malibukid]

give Putin what he wants and get America out of their.  never met Russian or Ukrainian that i liked over here.  many on both sides taking refuge in Thailand.  they are both cut from the same cloth and are very cold and nasty and should i say arrogant  people.  America started this in 2008 and in 2018 would not declare that it would not consider Ukraines eligibility to join Nato.  naturally  Putin responded.   war is also good business for America.

Edited February 17, 2023 by malibukid

[wwest5829]

I am all in favor of an agreement wherein Russia acknowledges that Crimea is sovereign Ukraine territory, in exchange for a 100 year lease (Lease payments as reparations), in exchange for Russian energy supplies for the Ukraine.

[metisdead]

Off topic deflection posts about America's actions in Germany after WW2 have been removed.

[wwest5829]

18 minutes ago, metisdead said:

Off topic deflection posts about America's actions in Germany after WW2 have been removed.

Quite correct and I apologize for replying to the post regarding Germany. I fear my feelings reacted from my background rather than recognizing the post was off topic.

[Bkk Brian]

US supports Ukrainian strikes on Russian military facilities in occupied Crimea – Nuland

 

“Russia has built a lot of military facilities in Crimea, these are legitimate targets that Ukraine is attacking, and we support it,” Nuland said.

 

“Ukraine will not be safe until Crimea is at least demilitarized.”

 

Nuland said that even after the end of the war, the United States will continue to provide military aid to Ukraine, as there is no certainty that Russia will not renew the conflict.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/us-supports-ukrainian-strikes-russian-085200485.html

[snowgard]

On 2/16/2023 at 8:32 PM, internationalism said:

Blinken said "wider Russian response" and not "go all nut job and take the ship with him".

 

actually, the first paragraph of this article: "The secretary of state, in a private call with experts, expressed his hesitation about a possible Ukrainian offensive for the peninsula.".

 

and further:

"The top diplomat’s comments, sure to frustrate Kyiv, came after someone on the private call asked if the U.S. is willing to help Ukraine realize its long-term goal of retaking the territory seized by Moscow."

 

That means that ukraine is not important for the  USA anymore. Shifting now to controll germany and europe

 

Are you a Russian Putin Troll? After your comments I think so!!! ????

 

[placeholder]

On 2/16/2023 at 11:10 PM, Tug said:

Not to mention a strong reason to wean ourselves off fossil fuels and transition towards renewables nothing wrong with that as well + making nato stronger to resist and stop any country making wars on its neighbors for conquest or material 

It does show the hypocrisy of the American rightwing that they claim to want America to be truly independent of  of foreign nations, but at the same time oppose the development of renewable energy, If the true cost of energy is calculated, then one has to include that portion of the US defense budget that goes towards protecting sources in the Middle East. Would the wars in the Gulf ever have occurred if the world's dependence on fossil fuels didn't exist? Obviously not.

[Stargeezr]

Just a reminder that you could not use you computer if not for as you call them Fossil fuel, or oil.

The foam in your cushy chair is also made from oil. your cell phone, tablet, key board and computer screen, even most thread that holds clothes together is mostly polyester, or OIL. Just a reminder for the Green People who think there is no need for oil, or fossil fuel.   I am just hoping that Russia ends this unnecessary war. They started it by invading Ukraine in the first place.

[Credo]

32 minutes ago, Stargeezr said:

Just a reminder that you could not use you computer if not for as you call them Fossil fuel, or oil.

The foam in your cushy chair is also made from oil. your cell phone, tablet, key board and computer screen,

even most thread that holds clothes together is mostly polyester, or OIL. Just a reminder for the

Green People who think there is no need for oil, or fossil fuel.   I am just hoping that Russia ends this 

unnecessary war. They started it by invading Ukraine in the first place.

I don't think anyone is denying that oil has many uses.  I think the point is we need to greatly minimize its use as a source of fuel.   Coal also has a lot of uses besides burning it.   

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/18/2023 at 4:20 AM, snowgard said:

Are you a Russian Putin Troll? After your comments I think so!!! ????

 

It's possible to put a contrary opinion on here without being a paid up Communist, and why are you insulting other posters?

[snowgard]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's possible to put a contrary opinion on here without being a paid up Communist, and why are you insulting other posters?

I just asked him if he is one!!! If he isn't, then he doesn't take offense. And if he is one, then he feels confirmed!!! ????

[ozimoron]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's possible to put a contrary opinion on here without being a paid up Communist, and why are you insulting other posters?

Some definitely are.

[Jingthing]

Putin fans whether Russian, Serbian  or American etc. are not communists. Rather they are fascists.