Thanathorn Insists Military Be Kept Out Of Politics For Good

[webfact]

 

PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit today (Mar.11) insisted that the military be ultimately kept out of politics for the sake of democratic rule.

 

By Thai Newsroom Reporters

 

Assisting in the Move Forward electoral campaign in Chaiyaphum, Thanathorn told a cheering crowd in the northeastern province that the progressive party has found it ultimately necessary to reform the military and keep them from staging any more coup whilst the junta-designed constitution of 2017 is yet subject to further amendment to render truly democratic rule.

 

“We need to take concrete steps to see to it that the military will be practically kept from undermining democratic rule by way of a coup,” said Thanathorn, leader of the court-dissolved Future Forward which has been practically resurrected as the Move Forward.

 

The Progressive Movement leader apparently referred to the 2014 coup staged by army chief-turned-Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha only to cause a setback to democratic development for nearly a decade.

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2023/03/11/thanathorn-insists-military-be-kept-out-of-politics-for-good/

 

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[2baht]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT leader Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit today (Mar.11) insisted that the military be ultimately kept out of politics for the sake of democratic rule.

 Too bad greed over rules!

[ikke1959]

A man of my heart...The military have damaged the country more than enough with their coups, their old fashioned ideas and their military discipline.....Time to create a real democracy, freedom, and entering the 21st century 

[gk10012001]

Well Thailand has a hundred years of trying to control the people....  If a court does not over rule a military coup, then what else can be done?  The civilian police force is not independent and is subordinate to the military. 

[mikebell]

It's a toss-up whether the army or the police do the most damage to the Thai economy and World wide reputation.

[zzaa09]

50 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

A man of my heart...The military have damaged the country more than enough with their coups, their old fashioned ideas and their military discipline.....Time to create a real democracy, freedom, and entering the 21st century 

You'll be reminded that all these actions [and rule] over the decades require permission and support. 

The principle crux behind all this. A base protection racket.

 

We do, unconsciously or not, forget which broad entity needs to be removed - permanently. 

[2baht]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

Time to create a real democracy, freedom, and entering the 21st century 

No harm dreaming! 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

A man of my heart...The military have damaged the country more than enough with their coups, their old fashioned ideas and their military discipline.....Time to create a real democracy, freedom, and entering the 21st century 

People get the government they deserve, making rules to distance the military from politics wont help. Democracy (if there really is such a thing) is organic, it grows slowly until its roots are deep. Thai soldiers are citizens in uniform and yet they allow themselves to be used as an instrument for their corrupt superiors, no deep roots there, can you imagine any Northern European country in today's world where soldiers would obey an illegal order to stage a coup? No, it would be nipped in the bud and the generals arrested but not in Thailand, the subservient nature of the Thais to the hierarchy actually invites a coup.

The move is the right one however, it's a start, drawing lines in the sand but the citizens themselves must build a wall on the line themselves.

[ChrisY1]

18 coups later, and the country is mired in massive corruption scandals.....more than at any time in the past.

It would be naive to state that there will be no further coup action by the military...as Prayut and Prawit have both bleated out loud.....

 

[zzaa09]

31 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

18 coups later, and the country is mired in massive corruption scandals.....more than at any time in the past.

It would be naive to state that there will be no further coup action by the military...as Prayut and Prawit have both bleated out loud.....

 

Don't really know how things work here, do ya?

[RichardColeman]

Fully expect some dirt to appear out of nowhere on this guy banning him from politics before the end of the week

[zzaa09]

54 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Fully expect some dirt to appear out of nowhere on this guy banning him from politics before the end of the week

He's been restricted from participating in political circles for quite some time.

Need to keep up.

[redwood1]

1 hour ago, ChrisY1 said:

18 coups later, and the country is mired in massive corruption scandals.....more than at any time in the past.

It would be naive to state that there will be no further coup action by the military...as Prayut and Prawit have both bleated out loud.....

 

Thailand is up to its neck in corruption on every levei.....Pretty much every construction project from local to National is infested with corruption.....And its sure not getting any better...

 

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

“We need to take concrete steps to see to it that the military will be practically kept from undermining democratic rule by way of a coup,” said Thanathorn, leader of the court-dissolved Future Forward which has been practically resurrected as the Move Forward.

8 years too late, they're in and well entrenched.

[klauskunkel]

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Thanathorn Insists Military Be Kept Out Of Politics For Good

and the Police, too.

 

[Mad mick]

Never happen Thailand land of coup d'etat , lf military jaunta will remain intwined within politics ! instead completely removed out of politics & only in defence of their country ! this will continue ????????????

Edited March 13, 2023 by Mad mick

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

He's been restricted from participating in political circles for quite some time.

Need to keep up.

Isn't the Election Commission trying to get his entire party banned?

[Brian Hull]

In a real democracy, which are few, the military are responsible to a democratically elected government and to do its act on its orders. In a pseudo-democracy such as Thailand's, it's the other way around - the government does the bidding of the military. There should not be even one seat in parliament reserved for the military, the clergy, hereditary rulers, or any other group. True democracy exists in only a handful of countries. Even the USA is regarded as a "deficient democracy" on the World index.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

People get the government they deserve, making rules to distance the military from politics wont help. Democracy (if there really is such a thing) is organic, it grows slowly until its roots are deep. Thai soldiers are citizens in uniform and yet they allow themselves to be used as an instrument for their corrupt superiors, no deep roots there, can you imagine any Northern European country in today's world where soldiers would obey an illegal order to stage a coup? No, it would be nipped in the bud and the generals arrested but not in Thailand, the subservient nature of the Thais to the hierarchy actually invites a coup.

The move is the right one however, it's a start, drawing lines in the sand but the citizens themselves must build a wall on the line themselves.

In Thailand the people get the government that is selected for them by fair means or foul, and every military coup is by foul means.

[soalbundy]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

In Thailand the people get the government that is selected for them by fair means or foul, and every military coup is by foul means.

The Thai people have allowed this to happen and their working class sons in uniform are the tools that make it possible, they, the majority, could, for instance, point their guns away from their folk in the opposite direction.

[billd766]

6 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

The Thai people have allowed this to happen and their working class sons in uniform are the tools that make it possible, they, the majority, could, for instance, point their guns away from their folk in the opposite direction.

Very true, and possibly what may happen at he next or subsequent coups.

 

Unfortunately the biggest drawback to coups are strongly supported by the person we cannot talk about, and that is the problem that Thailand has to deal with first along with S112 and the associated laws.

[soalbundy]

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Very true, and possibly what may happen at he next or subsequent coups.

 

Unfortunately the biggest drawback to coups are strongly supported by the person we cannot talk about, and that is the problem that Thailand has to deal with first along with S112 and the associated laws.

Even a lion has to submit to changing realities in the jungle.

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Fully expect some dirt to appear out of nowhere on this guy banning him from politics before the end of the week

This has already happened. Given his impressive results in the last election, Mr. P and his cronies dug up the dirt. They found that he was at one time part owner of a small magazine owned by his mom. A ridiculous little travel magazine stuffed into the back pockets of seats in domestic airlines. Nonetheless, this violated the rules saying that no politicians can also be in media, and so he was pushed out. There's also a rule saying convicted felons can't be in politics either, like that guy who served drug trafficking time in Australia, with fake college degrees from a run down storefront in California, yet there he still is.

 

But awhile he can't actively run for political office anymore, Thanathorn still acts as the face of his party. Some have said that ban has actually played out quite well for him, as it sent the msg loud and clear, "Mr. P's afraid of him. He must be good.", thus bolstering his party. Yet unfortunately, given the more popularity he's picking up, as you say, more measures might be taken to ban his presence completely. Say perhaps, an "unfortunate accident", like that famous, crazy, Thai-Indian guy tried to do a few months ago, jumping on Mr. T with a fake bomb scare at a convention. Oh Thailand. Can't make this stuff up.

[soalbundy]

Thanathorn appears to be a decent person, as yet not corrupted by politics, which is why he doesn't stand a chance.

[zzaa09]

9 hours ago, hotchilli said:

8 years too late, they're in and well entrenched.

80 + years too late. 

Historic precedent overrides any such narrow contemporary blinders.

[zzaa09]

38 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Thanathorn appears to be a decent person, as yet not corrupted by politics, which is why he doesn't stand a chance.

Wait...

As it appears that his former Move Forward minions are looking to fight one another instead of following his original ideals and direction. That was bound to happen. 

[zzaa09]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Very true, and possibly what may happen at he next or subsequent coups.

 

Unfortunately the biggest drawback to coups are strongly supported by the person we cannot talk about, and that is the problem that Thailand has to deal with first along with S112 and the associated laws.

A people's insurrection?

[zzaa09]

6 hours ago, Brian Hull said:

In a real democracy, which are few, the military are responsible to a democratically elected government and to do its act on its orders. In a pseudo-democracy such as Thailand's, it's the other way around - the government does the bidding of the military. There should not be even one seat in parliament reserved for the military, the clergy, hereditary rulers, or any other group. True democracy exists in only a handful of countries. Even the USA is regarded as a "deficient democracy" on the World index.

Actually, your beloved democracy fancy doesn't exist anywhere.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Even a lion has to submit to changing realities in the jungle.

In the real world I agree with you. However TIT.

 

That person has absolute control over all the military, and, along with the yellow shirts and the rabid royalists can have a serious effect on the election results as we saw at the last election.

[scorecard]

23 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

A people's insurrection?

I agree, but unfortunately , if it ever happens, it's light years away, and lots of changes in attitudes/ laws/constitution etc etc.