10 hours ago, placeholder said:

You do much driving in big cities? 

Define much, and big. 

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

there's no restrictions as in proposed 15 minute cities.

but 15 minute cities would greatly reduce traffic jams.

 

How is driving 15 minutes (per the OP) to get everywhere you want to go going the reduce traffic? 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Define much, and big. 

I'll recast my question:

You do any driving in  Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas?

Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas
An area that meets the requirements to qualify as an MSA and also has a
population of one million or more becomes a CMSA if component parts
of the area are recognized as PMSAs.

https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/reference/GARM/Ch13GARM.pdf

If you care to know what a PMSA is, it's in the link.

 

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

More nonsense about someone trying to put a fence around you. Please share with us examples of where this is either the case or is being proposed.

That was what the topic is about "Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement" laws and regulations that limit your movements. That is what poster "connda" asked for

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How is driving 15 minutes (per the OP) to get everywhere you want to go going the reduce traffic? 

It's a 15 minute maximum. Not a uniform 15 minutes. How would that even be possible?

2 minutes ago, h90 said:

That was what the topic is about "Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement" laws and regulations that limit your movements. That is what poster "connda" asked for

False. Here's the topic as Connda wrote it:

 

"Do you support "15 minute cities" in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?"

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

More nonsense about someone trying to put a fence around you. Please share with us examples of where this is either the case or is being proposed.

Per the OP:  "...laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence..."

 

Is this not the same as a fence? 

 

Obviously not.  Will you be denting your fender if you drive into a neighboring district in a 15 minute city? Can emergency vehicles, delivery vehicles, and public transport vehicles drive through a fence unscathed?

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. Here's the topic as Connda wrote it:

 

"Do you support "15 minute cities" in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?"

False.  Connda's Poll-question as well as the first sentence of his post was.

Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?

23 hours ago, connda said:

Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?  Do you believe laws such as these that restrict personal movement are too strict or not strict enough.  Please feel free to elaborate on your decision and how it will effect you living here in Thailand.

1/ how do you think such dwellings will be provided? When I first moved to London I had to live an hour and a half away from work as no way I could afford a place in central London.

I would have been very happy if accommodation had been provided for me in central London as 3 hours a day on a tube train is no fun.

 

2/ By saying "man made climate change as if it was a done deal, i will not vote for any of your questions.

 

3/ There are hundreds of sensible things that can be done to stop polluting the planet that are not being done, so why should something that would disrupt the housing market be done? Who would pay?

 

Why do you think cars are a major cause of climate change? IMO overpopulation is a far more significant problem, but there is no serious attempt to reduce world population.

23 hours ago, connda said:

Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence in order to save the planet from man-made global warming? 

Soooo, no more visits to granny then, or holidays somewhere else. How about if your dentist or doctor is further away?

How about if one can't buy something within a 15 minute drive ( as in people that live far away from a town ) eg farmers?

How would it be controlled- would we all have to wear an ankle bracelet like a criminal?

 

To the question, no, no way, not a hope in hell of agreeing with that.

18 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

- Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

- Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing.

- Many people die at twenty five and aren't buried until they are seventy five.

Benjamin Franklin

Sorta off topic, but what the hey?  It's my Op.
Love the "Signature!"  ????   Good stuff from Ben.
I bet those guys, like Mr Franklin, in the late 1770s couldn't ever have envisioned "15 minute cities" by government edict.  <----- bringing it back on-topic  <laughs>

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

False.  Connda's Poll-question as well as the first sentence of his post was.

Will you support laws and regulations that will limit your personal movement to no more than a 15 minute drive from your place of residence in order to save the planet from man-made global warming?

So we both got it wrong. You ignored the fact that his question is tied to the concept of 15 minute cities. And, of course, what you don't note that it's actually a question based on a dishonest premise. No one is proposing to limit driving to a 15 minute range. People in those cities can drive as far as they want to. They can access neighboring areas. They just will be fined if they take the shortest route by distance and that route involves directly crossing from on district to another.

2 hours ago, cmsally said:

15 minute neighbourhoods will restrict your movement in that you can only cross into other zones a certain number of times per year. Once you have reached your maximum you will then be penalized and receive fines. This system will of course be policed by a large number of cameras and license plate recognition. In other words a virtual fence; whilst it's not a physical barrier, crossing it without permission will lead to punishment.

I love making up stories as well.

Yerdedoanthairbytheway.  Thisfifteenminnit<deleted> is noansense.  Howamah supposedtaewalk firfifteenminutes wi' ma gammy hip?

The elderly and infirm will probably get dispensation to walk for longer to reach the same places.

If you can't walk, i don't understand why you wouldn't just cycle there.

 

SC

 

Ahhh, just realised this 15 min city concept is walk or ride a bike 15 mins................ not drive a car of motorbike.

 

They can punch that right up their sphincter.

2 minutes ago, connda said:

I bet those guys, like Mr Franklin, in the late 1770s couldn't ever have envisioned "15 minute cities" by government edict.  <----- bringing it back on-topic  <laughs>

You mean, despite the widespread use of automobiles in Franklin's time, he couldn't have envisioned that outcome?

I think there's something wrong with my question, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Can you help?

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So we both got it wrong. You ignored the fact that his question is tied to the concept of 15 minute cities. And, of course, what you don't note that it's actually a question based on a dishonest premise. No one is proposing to limit driving to a 15 minute range. People in those cities can drive as far as they want to. They can access neighboring areas. They just will be fined if they take the shortest route by distance and that route involves directly crossing from on district to another.

The concept is based around walking or riding a bicycle.

 

not driving a car.

 

https://www.15minutecity.com/about

Just now, Ralf001 said:

The concept is based around walking or riding a bicycle.

 

not driving a car.

 

https://www.15minutecity.com/about

Thanks for the correction. But the question posed by Connda remains a dishonest one. The 15 minute city concept does not limit people from driving as far and as long as they want to.

Most people here litter their plastic trash less than a 15-minute drive away from where they live, so that should not be a problem.

5 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

If you can't walk, i don't understand why you wouldn't just cycle there.

What about if it's in a hailstorm, and it's to get to an appointment at a particular time?

How about if it's a mum that has to take three small children to buy clothes? Does she put them in a little trailer?

How about a paraplegic that can't pedal?

Have you ever carried a weeks worth of groceries for 5 people on a bike?

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I'll recast my question:

You do any driving in  Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas?

Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas
An area that meets the requirements to qualify as an MSA and also has a
population of one million or more becomes a CMSA if component parts
of the area are recognized as PMSAs.

https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/reference/GARM/Ch13GARM.pdf

If you care to know what a PMSA is, it's in the link.

Okay, I think I have driven in quite a number of big cites. I grew up in LA county and drove there every day for about twenty years (ten in the '70s & '80s and ten in the '90s). In the '90s an 80-mile round trip to engineering school five days a week and later 100-mile round trip five days a week to work for three years. 

 

I've also driven semi-trucks and cars in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Orlando, Pittsburg, Baltimore, Washington and a (probably) most major cities in the US, except the NW & N. 

 

I've been in Thailand full-time since '00, and have driven over 600.000km here, mostly driving from Prachinburi to Bangkok, but at least twice a week in Bangkok proper. 

 

You? 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Okay, I think I have driven in quite a number of big cites. I grew up in LA county and drove there every day for about twenty years (ten in the '70s & '80s and ten in the '90s). In the '90s an 80-mile round trip to engineering school five days a week and later 100-mile round trip five days a week to work for three years. 

 

I've also driven semi-trucks and cars in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Orlando, Pittsburg, Baltimore, Washington and a (probably) most major cities in the US, except the NW & N. 

 

I've been in Thailand full-time since '00, and have driven over 600.000km here, mostly driving from Prachinburi to Bangkok, but at least twice a week in Bangkok proper. 

 

You? 

The point of my question was obvious. Traffic congestion is a huge problem in Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas?. Are you claiming that your alleged experience contradicts this? 

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Restricting personal movement to a 15 min drive.

No football matches, opera, Theatre, pop concerts, theme parks, holiday resorts, National Parks, Museums, Zoos, international sports, golf. Not to mention the end of air and sea travel, foreign holidays, ferries.

Probably not worth buying a car, so the end of the motor industry as well.

 

And that's just for a start.

That's a lot of business closures!

Unless you are part of "The big club and you ain't in it" as George Carlin so aptly pointed out.   The Jet-Set crowd will still jet-set, there will still be Formula One races, and polo with big, methane farting horses, they'll still be Kobe Beef for the Ubermenchen.  The newly "wilded" forests will be the private Sherlock Forest and hunting reserves for these special-people - Gulfstream Aerospace will still be making money hand-over-fist producing private jets, luxury cars will still abound.  For the billionaire class and their political friends, the world will be their personal oyster.  You and I and 7.8 billion others will simply not be part of that "Freedom Club." That's the price for saving our planet - right?  ????

14 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

“15 minute cities” is not a movement restriction idea, it is an urban planning idea.  Urban developments should be planned to allow people easy and convenient access to daily necessities such as schools, clinics, shops etc. 

Let's come back to the statement in 2030 (if we are all still here that is).

I'm not denying greenhouse does and will affect all of us but why the pain should affect the population of more " green governments " whilst ignoring Elon musk going to burn God knows how much to explore Mars or bill Gates flying private all over the world. 

If Boris and his chums happen to live in these areas not to worry they will be exempt it only applies to the regular and unwashed people 

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The point of my question was obvious. Traffic congestion is a huge problem in Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Areas?. Are you claiming that your alleged experience contradicts this? 

So this is a United States of Whatever issue that some are attempting to force down the throats of others.

Pointless trolling meme reported and removed along with another troll post

Just now, Ralf001 said:

So this is a United States of Whatever issue that some are attempting to force down the throats of others.

No. Just because the definition comes from the U.S. census bureau doesn't mean that areas the fit the definition don't exist elsewhere. This is like saying that if you're in a country that uses the metric systme it's impossible to measure in inches.

Just now, placeholder said:

No. Just because the definition comes from the U.S. census bureau doesn't mean that areas the fit the definition don't exist elsewhere. This is like saying that if you're in a country that uses the metric systme it's impossible to measure in inches.

my tape measures do not have inches on them... so yes, for me to measure in inches is impossible.

Just now, Ralf001 said:

my tape measures do not have inches on them... so yes, for me to measure in inches is impossible.

Actually, the problem would seem to be your incomplete mastery of arithmetic.