onthedarkside Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 The International Olympic Committee has recommended that Russian and Belarusian athletes are allowed to compete under a neutral flag - but has yet to make a decision on Paris 2024. This recommendation only extends to individual athletes, not teams. The IOC's executive board has also told international federations and event organisers that athletes and support personnel who actively support the war in Ukraine, or who are contracted to the military, should not be permitted to compete. https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/65102910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Quite right too! It is not the fault of individual Russians that their country is the Pariah state it now is. Imagine spending most of your young live dreaming and training for this and having it snatched away by Putin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olav Seglem Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 No-no-no!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Olav Seglem said: No-no-no!!!!! Which bit(s) of the OP are you saying no to and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 hours ago, scottiejohn said: Quite right too! It is not the fault of individual Russians that their country is the Pariah state it now is. Imagine spending most of your young live dreaming and training for this and having it snatched away by Putin! I feel sorry for the athletes, but glad the organisation of the European games has a view different from yours. Russians should know their country is a pariah state. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 8 hours ago, stevenl said: I feel sorry for the athletes, but glad the organisation of the European games has a view different from yours. Russians should know their country is a pariah state. And this action by the IOC of letting them compete as individuals but nor "representing" their country emphasises that point with too much harm to the athletes. What has your comment on the European games (whatever that is) got to do with the IOC decision? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted March 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: And this action by the IOC of letting them compete as individuals but nor "representing" their country emphasises that point with too much harm to the athletes. What has your comment on the European games (whatever that is) got to do with the IOC decision? O, it doesn't emphasize that point. Russian and Belarus athletes would be competing and making positive headlines in the Russian and Belarus news If you'd be up to date you'd know the organisation of the European games has decided not to follow the IOC decision. So directly related to the topic. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, stevenl said: O, it doesn't emphasize that point. Russian and Belarus athletes would be competing and making positive headlines in the Russian and Belarus news If you'd be up to date you'd know the organisation of the European games has decided not to follow the IOC decision. So directly related to the topic. Who cares? Russian news is propaganda and is not much different to the news in the west which just carries different propaganda. Athletes train their whole lives to be able to compete in these competitions, do not have any influence over what their politicians do or do not do and a birthplace lottery should not be a deciding factor in whether they can compete against other athletes who happened to be born in more "acceptable" countries. Politics should have no place in sports. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Some Russian athletes.............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, James105 said: Who cares? Politics should have no place in sports. I would suggest most of the world should care and I agree about politics having no place. But some despot regimes tend to use the Olympics to promote their Nationalistic agenda and their propaganda. Hitler showcased the Nazi Regime in 1936 at the Berlin Olympics although there were unsuccessful attempts to boycott the Games due to concerns that appeasement would worse Hitler's Jewish persecution. How did that turn out? 'Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it' comes to mind! The 1936 Olympics | American Experience | Official Site | PBS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James105 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, LosLobo said: I would suggest most of the world should care and I agree about politics having no place. But some despot regimes tend to use the Olympics to promote their Nationalistic agenda and their propaganda. Hitler showcased the Nazi Regime in 1936 at the Berlin Olympics although there were unsuccessful attempts to boycott the Games due to concerns that appeasement would worse Hitler's Jewish persecution. How did that turn out? 'Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it' comes to mind! The 1936 Olympics | American Experience | Official Site | PBS I agree that Moscow should not be allowed to host the Olympics during this time which would be the direct comparison to the point you are making, but that has nothing to do with this topic though does it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, James105 said: I agree that Moscow should not be allowed to host the Olympics during this time which would be the direct comparison to the point you are making, but that has nothing to do with this topic though does it? Yet, the point I am making is : "Some despot regimes tend to use the Olympics to promote their Nationalistic agenda and their propaganda". which is on point and very relevant to the topic! Edited March 30, 2023 by LosLobo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, scottiejohn said: Quite right too! It is not the fault of individual Russians that their country is the Pariah state it now is. Imagine spending most of your young live dreaming and training for this and having it snatched away by Putin! Quite wrong too. The Russians and Belarussians should not be allowed to compete. I don't give a rodent's behind about their dreaming and training being snatched away by Putin. What about all the Ukrainians' LIVES being snatched away by Putin! Edited March 30, 2023 by Phoenix Rising 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said: Quite wrong too. The Russians and Ukrainians* should not be allowed to compete. I don't give a rodent's behind about their dreaming and training being snatched away by Putin. What about all the Ukrainian's LIVES being snatched away by Putin! * Did you mean Belarusians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, chickenslegs said: * Did you mean Belarusians? Correct, edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said: Quite wrong too. The Russians and Belarussians should not be allowed to compete. I don't give a rodent's behind about their dreaming and training being snatched away by Putin. What about all the Ukrainians' LIVES being snatched away by Putin! As you state it is Putin causing the harm, not the people of those countries. Why should they be "punished" for his actions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00dle Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 i know two russian athletes banned form comps last year that will be competing as Israelis this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Sports and politics have been intertwined since the Greeks invented the Olympiad. As others have inferred, the Nazis recognised that success at sport could be used as a propaganda tool and, no doubt, Putin realises the same. For that reason, imo sadly Russian and Belarusian sportsmen and women should not be allowed to compete internationally in individual events. Those who compete in team events might be treated differently. This was how those from apartheid South Africa were treated in the '70s and '80s (in the UK at least). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: As you state it is Putin causing the harm, not the people of those countries. Why should they be "punished" for his actions? So you're saying that Russia as a nation should not be sanctioned at all since it's Putin personally that started the war?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, RayC said: Sports and politics have been intertwined since the Greeks invented the Olympiad. As others have inferred, the Nazis recognised that success at sport could be used as a propaganda tool and, no doubt, Putin realises the same. For that reason, imo sadly Russian and Belarusian sportsmen and women should not be allowed to compete internationally in individual events. Those who compete in team events might be treated differently. This was how those from apartheid South Africa were treated in the '70s and '80s (in the UK at least). Absolutely agree with that, in the Tokyo Olympics 61 out of 71 Russian medals were won by athletes affiliated to the Russian army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 15 hours ago, James105 said: <snip> Politics should have no place in sports. Agree with you, but reality is different. Countries like China and Russia have state organised doping programs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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