Pheu Thai Party unveils its three prime ministerial candidates

[zzaa09]

On 4/6/2023 at 2:23 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I wrote that already many times:

My alternative is an honest competent leader. 

I don't know why Thai people prefer corrupt liars. 

Abhisit was, as far as I know, a decent politician. But Thais didn't want him. It seems part of what they didn't like was that Abhisit was smart and educated.

Perhaps the Thais saw through the thin veneer and facade that Marky was promoting about himself. More than likely know that he was/is part and parcel of the same hardcore establishment club. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing special about charlatans.

 

Aside this reality, Abhisit was never a darling of the Thai political machine, but instead used, by the ruling elite, as a passing novelty to propel their means to an end. 

 

Those that hold Marky to some high regard need to reexamine and research deeper contemporary history. 

[sidneybear]

10 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Nationalism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

Many thinking Thais would say that about progressivism. They're smart enough to see that the west has progressed into a soulless, degenerate and bankrupt dump, where all people do is slavishly follow this or that meaningless woke fad, discarding all that made the west great. Thais don't want to follow the west anymore. 

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, sidneybear said:

Many thinking Thais would say that about progressivism. They're smart enough to see that the west has progressed into a soulless, degenerate and bankrupt dump, where all people do is slavishly follow this or that meaningless woke fad, discarding all that made the west great. Thais don't want to follow the west anymore. 

Can I have what you are on? 

[sidneybear]

10 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Do you plan on being amongst the crowds to meet Thaksin at the airport next month after his daughter wins the election?

They might buy more votes, but they won't be allowed to stay in office for long before the conservatives that guard Thailand's delightful culture chuck them out. You'll see them scuttling back to the airport with bags of loot before long. Either that or they'll be thrown in prison. 

[sidneybear]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

Actually I talk along with my Thai wife to her family and out Thai friends both here in rural Kamphaeng Phet . Other parts of the family and friends live in Bangkok, Samut Prakan, Bang Saen, Korat and I think in Kohn Kaen as well, and NONE of them support the military and most dislike Prayuth.

Your wife's family and mates do not a country make.

[sidneybear]

8 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Can I have what you are on? 

Oh dear. Another one who goes ad hominem because he's unable to join the debate. 

[still kicking]

2 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Oh dear. Another one who goes ad hominem because he's unable to join the debate. 

Did you know the internet does not work always in Thailand? 

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, sidneybear said:

I'm Thai. Read my earlier post. And you obviously don't know how Thai politics works. Coups are a fact of life and are sometimes necessary to rein in malign western influences that would otherwise spoil Thailand. 

 

Coups against a democratically elected government are a method for the minority to impose its wishes on the majority using force or the threat of force.  Nothing more, nothing less.   Any other excuse is BS.

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, sidneybear said:

How do you know that most don't support the status quo, including coups and the like? Have you conducted a survey? And no, bought votes don't count. 

Vote buying!  Vote buying!  I have no proof but trust me, there's massive vote buying!

Edited April 9, 2023 by heybruce

[sidneybear]

57 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Coups against a democratically elected government are a method for the minority to impose its wishes on the majority using force or the threat of force.  Nothing more, nothing less.   Any other excuse is BS.

Democracy doesn't seem to be working too well in the West. Whomever you vote for, you get marginally different flavours of the same thing, despite politicians presenting as polar opposites and getting people all worked up. Generations of the same family running for president and being supported by one or the other of two insuperable main parties. The list goes on: the West isn't qualified to lecture Thailand on democratic principles. 

 

Vote buying is common in Thailand. Village head men dishing out Thaksin's cash is more of a plutocracy than anything else. One of Thaksin's stooges or siblings will get 'elected', then sensible people will intervene and chuck them out, just like the last several times. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

Democracy doesn't seem to be working too well in the West. Whomever you vote for, you get marginally different flavours of the same thing, despite politicians presenting as polar opposites and getting people all worked up. Generations of the same family running for president and being supported by one or the other of two insuperable main parties. The list goes on: the West isn't qualified to lecture Thailand on democratic principles. 

 

Vote buying is common in Thailand. Village head men dishing out Thaksin's cash is more of a plutocracy than anything else. One of Thaksin's stooges or siblings will get 'elected', then sensible people will intervene and chuck them out, just like the last several times. 

Democracy was never a perfect form of government, just one superior to all others.  Do you think a culture of staging coups whenever an elite minority decides it doesn't like the current government is superior to democracy?

 

Once again, no proof of vote buying.  Repeating an unsubstantiated claim over and over doesn't make it true.

[JemJem]

We are no idiots. We all know the first and only choice. And, then the REAL choice behind her. 

 

Thaksin coming back will cause major divisions again. 

 

I dont know why some of you even like the guy. And, he was/is no socialist. Do you honestly believe a rich businessman in Thailand can be a socialist? He was clever to adopt the color red, just to attract the masses.

 

It is just sad. I lived in this country for many years. Shinawats should have been history by now. 

 

I actually think Khun Prayut has done a decent job. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[heybruce]

29 minutes ago, JemJem said:

We are no idiots. We all know the first and only choice. And, then the REAL choice behind her. 

 

Thaksin coming back will cause major divisions again. 

 

I dont know why some of you even like the guy. And, he was/is no socialist. Do you honestly believe a rich businessman in Thailand can be a socialist? He was clever to adopt the color red, just to attract the masses.

 

It is just sad. I lived in this country for many years. Shinawats should have been history by now. 

 

I actually think Khun Prayut has done a decent job.

"Shinawats should have been history by now."

 

They might be if the 2014 election had been allowed.  The Shinawatra's and their party were at a low point in popularity then.  However an election would not have resulted in a government to the liking of the elites, so Thailand had another unnecessary coup instead.

[zzaa09]

4 hours ago, sidneybear said:

They might buy more votes, but they won't be allowed to stay in office for long before the conservatives that guard Thailand's delightful culture chuck them out. You'll see them scuttling back to the airport with bags of loot before long. Either that or they'll be thrown in prison. 

Would that be before or after the coup...?

[sidneybear]

35 minutes ago, JemJem said:

We are no idiots. We all know the first and only choice. And, then the REAL choice behind her. 

 

Thaksin coming back will cause major divisions again. 

 

I dont know why some of you even like the guy. And, he was/is no socialist. Do you honestly believe a rich businessman in Thailand can be a socialist? He was clever to adopt the color red, just to attract the masses.

 

It is just sad. I lived in this country for many years. Shinawats should have been history by now. 

 

I actually think Khun Prayut has done a decent job. 

 

Wise words. Thaksin is a businessman and is skillful at PR and marketing. Other than that, he has nothing to offer Thailand, because like most businessmen all he's looking for is a return on investment. He isn't a socialist, indeed he has no political ideology beyond enriching himself. 

 

Thaksin's party screams nepotism, all his sisters get put up for elections, such is his disinterest in varied opinions or excellence in the job. 

[MrMojoRisin]

4 hours ago, sidneybear said:

Many thinking Thais would say that about progressivism. They're smart enough to see that the west has progressed into a soulless, degenerate and bankrupt dump, where all people do is slavishly follow this or that meaningless woke fad, discarding all that made the west great. Thais don't want to follow the west anymore. 

So Thais who disagree with you are not "thinking Thais"?

Do you think Thais are too dumb to vote?

Your constant diatribes against the West don't disguise the fact that you hold a great many of your fellow Thais in contempt.

You are in the minority.

People with your views have derailed Thailand's progress.

Your time is over.

You have failed.

The majority of Thais are about to make what they want abundantly clear.

Bye bye Prayuth.

[sidneybear]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Democracy was never a perfect form of government, just one superior to all others.  Do you think a culture of staging coups whenever an elite minority decides it doesn't like the current government is superior to democracy?

 

Once again, no proof of vote buying.  Repeating an unsubstantiated claim over and over doesn't make it true.

Socrates said that democracies inevitably decay from within and fall over into tyrannies, just as they are doing in the west. In fact, the west resembles more of a kakistocracy than a democracy, which is paving the way for its own demise. Read Plato's Republic if you have time. It's quite revealing on how states evolve and decline. 

[MrMojoRisin]

4 hours ago, sidneybear said:

They might buy more votes, but they won't be allowed to stay in office for long before the conservatives that guard Thailand's delightful culture chuck them out. You'll see them scuttling back to the airport with bags of loot before long. Either that or they'll be thrown in prison. 

Prayuth's reign has been so dismal, so appallingly abysmal that the days of rightwing minority coups are over.

The last eight years have proven one thing - anything and anyone is better than Prayuth and the military.

Democracy is now here to stay.

Your dreams of another coup will remain just that - dreams.

 

So you heading down to the airport to join the heroes welcome for Thaksin next month?

[sidneybear]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So Thais who disagree with you are not "thinking Thais"?

Do you think Thais are too dumb to vote?

Your constant diatribes against the West don't disguise the fact that you hold a great many of your fellow Thais in contempt.

You are in the minority.

People with your views have derailed Thailand's progress.

Your time is over.

You have failed.

The majority of Thais are about to make what they want abundantly clear.

Bye bye Prayuth.

Absolutely I don't hold Thais in contempt. What's better: a stable government that respects and promotes traditional Thai values, or; a bunch of thieves who are conning the public, causing endless riots of the kind we've seen in recent years? If you reflect on that, it's you who needs to question why you support the imposition of vile and degenerate western culture onto Thailand, simply because you believe what you see on CNN.

[sidneybear]

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

So you heading down to the airport to join the heroes welcome for Thaksin next month?

There was a day when I might have done that. But then I came round and saw the errors in my thinking, and how I had fallen for Thaksin's skillful PR and marketing. I cringe when I think of that, because admitting we're wrong is difficult, and I'm glad I did it.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

Socrates said that democracies inevitably decay from within and fall over into tyrannies, just as they are doing in the west. In fact, the west resembles more of a kakistocracy than a democracy, which is paving the way for its own demise. Read Plato's Republic if you have time. It's quite revealing on how states evolve and decline. 

You don't want to acknowledging being an anti-democratic coup supporter, so you try to divert to the west. 

 

No ones falling for it.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

Absolutely I don't hold Thais in contempt. What's better: a stable government that respects and promotes traditional Thai values, or; a bunch of thieves who are conning the public, causing endless riots of the kind we've seen in recent years? If you reflect on that, it's you who needs to question why you support the imposition of vile and degenerate western culture onto Thailand, simply because you believe what you see on CNN.

Let the majority of Thais decide decide what is better in an election.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

Absolutely I don't hold Thais in contempt. What's better: a stable government that respects and promotes traditional Thai values, or; a bunch of thieves who are conning the public, causing endless riots of the kind we've seen in recent years? If you reflect on that, it's you who needs to question why you support the imposition of vile and degenerate western culture onto Thailand, simply because you believe what you see on CNN.

I am always fascinated just how at odds with reality and truth people allow themselves to become in order to stubbornly remain convicted to their erroneous beliefs.

 

The current government are a bunch of thieves who are conning the public.

The current government came into being by causing, supporting and funding endless riots.

 

The Thai people are going to be the judge of who is worthy to lead the country by casting their votes in the upcoming election.

The result is going to be decisive.

 

I am sure the Thai people have enough good sense to reject vile and degenerate influences whenever such things raise their head (or do you think so little of Thais that you believe they must be oppressed and subjugated under an unrepresentative and unelected regime in order to resist becoming vile and degenerate?)

 

After the landslide election win by the pro democracy Thais, will you have the internal integrity to reflect upon your misguided nationalistic nonsense?

I think not, I think you'll instead be cheering on and promoting another coup (by the losers who just keep on losing).

Good luck with that.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 hour ago, sidneybear said:

I cringe when I think of that, because admitting we're wrong is difficult, and I'm glad I did it.

Prepare yourself, you'll be doing it again.

[sidneybear]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Prepare yourself, you'll be doing it again.

I doubt it. It's pretty obvious that Thaksin is just a rabble rouser who's out to make a buck. He couldn't care less about Thailand. 

[billd766]

9 hours ago, sidneybear said:

Your wife's family and mates do not a country make.

And neither do yours.

 

7 hours ago, sidneybear said:

Democracy doesn't seem to be working too well in the West. Whomever you vote for, you get marginally different flavours of the same thing, despite politicians presenting as polar opposites and getting people all worked up. Generations of the same family running for president and being supported by one or the other of two insuperable main parties. The list goes on: the West isn't qualified to lecture Thailand on democratic principles. 

 

Vote buying is common in Thailand. Village head men dishing out Thaksin's cash is more of a plutocracy than anything else. One of Thaksin's stooges or siblings will get 'elected', then sensible people will intervene and chuck them out, just like the last several times. 

ALL political parties hand out cash and not just one party.

 

As for chucking Thaksin's parties out, that never happened, as their governments were removed by a military coup each time.

 

NOT by your so called "sensible people".

 

I don't care if you believe me or not.

 

Simply do a search of the internet under military coups in Thailand.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Thai_coup_d'état#:~:text=The coup ended the political,reform the monarchy of Thailand.

 

On 22 May 2014, the Royal Thai Armed Forces, led by General Prayut Chan-o-cha, Commander of the Royal Thai Army (RTA), launched a coup d'état, the 12th since the country's first coup in 1932,[1] against the caretaker government of Thailand, following six months of political crisis.[1] The military established a junta called the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to govern the nation. The coup ended the political conflict between the military-led regime and democratic power, which was still going on from 2006 Thai coup d'état known as the unfinished coup.[2] 7 years later, it has developed into 2020 Thai protests to reform the monarchy of Thailand.

 

Try reading that article ALL the way through.

[h90]

On 4/6/2023 at 12:58 AM, pegman said:

you really hate democracy don't you?

I think you don't understand democracy......being criminal, corruption, abuse of power, vote buying and support of it has nothing to do with democracy.
That is a party that by its existence is already braking the law as it is banned and used tricks to exist. Banned with good, well explained reasons.
 

[sidneybear]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And neither do yours.

 

ALL political parties hand out cash and not just one party.

 

As for chucking Thaksin's parties out, that never happened, as their governments were removed by a military coup each time.

 

NOT by your so called "sensible people".

 

I don't care if you believe me or not.

 

Simply do a search of the internet under military coups in Thailand.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Thai_coup_d'état#:~:text=The coup ended the political,reform the monarchy of Thailand.

 

On 22 May 2014, the Royal Thai Armed Forces, led by General Prayut Chan-o-cha, Commander of the Royal Thai Army (RTA), launched a coup d'état, the 12th since the country's first coup in 1932,[1] against the caretaker government of Thailand, following six months of political crisis.[1] The military established a junta called the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to govern the nation. The coup ended the political conflict between the military-led regime and democratic power, which was still going on from 2006 Thai coup d'état known as the unfinished coup.[2] 7 years later, it has developed into 2020 Thai protests to reform the monarchy of Thailand.

 

Try reading that article ALL the way through.

Mate, I was there. Three coups I've lived through in Thailand, so I don't need to read about them in Wikipedia. 

 

And I do think we're into semantics here because the military most certainly did chuck Thaksin's lot out. Twice.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Mate, I was there. Three coups I've lived through in Thailand, so I don't need to read about them in Wikipedia. 

 

And I do think we're into semantics here because the military most certainly did chuck Thaksin's lot out. Twice.

Being here a long time and missed out the judiciary coup mastermind by one of the 3 Ps. One of the most turbulent time in civil unrest and no coup because Anupong has the judiciary to back up his coup. 

[billd766]

4 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

Mate, I was there. Three coups I've lived through in Thailand, so I don't need to read about them in Wikipedia. 

 

And I do think we're into semantics here because the military most certainly did chuck Thaksin's lot out. Twice.

I started working in Thailand in 1993 and I lived through the 2006 and the 2014 coup and nothing has convinced me that ANY military coup does anything good for the people of the country.

 

It didn't do anything in Venezuela in the 1990s either and look at Venezuela now.