US President Joe Biden's administration has blamed its chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan on his predecessor, Donald Trump, in a new report

A 12-page summary of the report says Mr Biden was "severely constrained" by Mr Trump's decisions, including a 2020 deal with the Taliban to end the war.

But the report also acknowledges that the government should have begun the evacuation of civilians earlier.

Mr Trump responded that the White House was playing a "disinformation game".

The deadly pull-out in August 2021 ended America's longest war.

Thirteen US soldiers and nearly 200 Afghans were killed as US troops scrambled to evacuate more than 120,000 people in a matter of days.

I would agree that the withdrawal deal without a plan is on Trump. The execution though was done poorly as well, which is on Biden.

 

Predictable.

 

Biden really needs to start owning his mistakes, like a grown up would.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Predictable.

 

Biden really needs to start owning his mistakes, like a grown up would.

We’ll he can’t own the unilateral order to withdraw from Afghanistan, given it wasn’t him who gave the order.

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll he can’t own the unilateral order to withdraw from Afghanistan, given it wasn’t him who gave the order.

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/

Withdrawing was inevitable. They couldn't stay there forever. 

 

It was the the manner/handling of the withdrawal that was such a complete disaster. Leaving weapons, people behind etc. Joe should own it, not shout "he started it" like a child in the playground.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Predictable.

 

Biden really needs to start owning his mistakes, like a grown up would.

Trump really should start taking responsibility for problems he caused like a grown up would 

Just now, JonnyF said:

Withdrawing was inevitable. They couldn't stay there forever. 

 

It was the the manner/handling of the withdrawal that was such a complete disaster. Leaving weapons, people behind etc. Joe should own it, not shout "he started it" like a child in the playground.

Yes, an executive order signed and issued without a plan at the end of Trump’s Presidency, and when Trump had ordered zero cooperation for the administration handover, a poison chalice handed to Biden.

 

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, an executive order signed and issued without a plan at the end of Trump’s Presidency, and when Trump had ordered zero cooperation for the administration handover, a poison chalice handed to Biden.

 

 

It's never his fault, is it? ????

 

Biden mis-managed the withdrawal. He was in charge at the time it was undertaken. Huge mistakes were made in the way it was handled. It was a complete shambles. He should own it. 

 

8 minutes ago, Tug said:

Trump really should start taking responsibility for problems he caused like a grown up would 

True.

 

But unfortunately for you (and the people of Afghanistan), Biden was in charge at the time the troops withdrew. 

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are you seriously contending that the people of Afghanistan would have been better off if Trump was in charge?

While he was still President, 40% of American troops were withdrawn.

Among other travesties in the deal that his administration negotiated with the Taliban, was the release from prison of 5000 Talibani fighters.

What is your point even? Obviously all taliban would be released anyway, as they are now running the country again.

Just pathetic once again, to blame Trump, Biden is a old moron who behaves like a child when it comes to owning mistakes, just as much, if not more.

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9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are you seriously contending that the people of Afghanistan would have been better off if Trump was in charge?

Given what's happening in Afghanistan right now, it could hardly be worse.

Just now, ChaiyaTH said:

What is your point even? Obviously all taliban would be released anyway, as they are now running the country again.

Just pathetic once again, to blame Trump, Biden is a old moron who behaves like a child when it comes to owning mistakes, just as much, if not more.

The reason that the US withdrew from Afghanistan is because of the agreement signed by the Trump administration. That agreement specified that the US withdraw. 

Just now, placeholder said:

The reason that the US withdrew from Afghanistan is because of the agreement signed by the Trump administration. That agreement specified that the US withdraw. 

The reason we in Europe went to afghanistan was also because of the USA, does that mean we are not responsible of our own actions while spending time there? One must really be the bottom loser type, to not understand this.

1 minute ago, ChaiyaTH said:

The reason we in Europe went to afghanistan was also because of the USA, does that mean we are not responsible of our own actions while spending time there? One must really be the bottom loser type, to not understand this.

More to do with being vassal states, but that’s another topic.

Just now, JonnyF said:

Given what's happening in Afghanistan right now, it could hardly be worse.

And why would it have been different under a 2nd Trump administration? How would a complete withdrawal under the Trump administration have had different consequences for the Afghani people than the complete withdrawal under the Biden administration? Your statement is prima facie ridiculous. Once the US had pulled out of there, what would subsequently happen in Afghanistan would not be under its control.

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Leaving weapons, people behind etc.

leaving weapons behind is common by the US army. logistics and cost make it more economical not to bring it home. 

3 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

The reason we in Europe went to afghanistan was also because of the USA, does that mean we are not responsible of our own actions while spending time there? One must really be the bottom loser type, to not understand this.

I'm guessing you believe that there is somethingin your post that pertinent to the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. Could you share with us what that is?

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

True.

 

But unfortunately for you (and the people of Afghanistan), Biden was in charge at the time the troops withdrew. 

Oh no you are 100% wrong your trump bears the lions share for that debacle i give it a weak 10% on Biden thank god trump is out and on his way to the dustbin of history the planet is better for it

I knew two men who did not come from Herat and Jalabad.  The blame game is not important but accountability is.  So far not a single senior military officer has been fired or forced into early retirement.  The fact that Gen Miley is still the chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff is in a word disgusting for all us who served in Afghanistan.  This includes myself. 

 

If Joe wants to blame anyone else he can go back as far 2006  because back then Bush was spending 4 Billion a month in Iraq and 1 Billion a month in Afghanistan. Afghanistan was never a top priority for the Department of Defense or the single most useless governmental agency in modern times: The State Department.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, an executive order signed and issued without a plan at the end of Trump’s Presidency, and when Trump had ordered zero cooperation for the administration handover, a poison chalice handed to Biden.

Oh yeah, those executive orders DT would sign and then hold up the binder to show his signature.  They sure made an impact on the country. 

Too bad he didn't do card tricks instead.

 

 

Isn't Biden great? He's never responsible for anything. 

Just now, nauseus said:

Isn't Biden great? He's never responsible for anything. 

Deflecting much?

Off topic posts about Saigon have been removed.

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Isn't Biden great? He's never responsible for anything. 

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the difference between ‘Responsibility’ and ‘Accountability’.

 

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Deflecting much?

That's what Joe is doing.

Just now, nauseus said:

That's what Joe is doing.

Got some facts to back that up?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the difference between ‘Responsibility’ and ‘Accountability’.

 

Biden doesn’t understand the importance of either.

Just now, nauseus said:

Biden doesn’t understand the importance of either.

In your unbiased opinion.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Got some facts to back that up?

Evident by this report.