How the AR-15 became 'America's national gun' and loved by the National Rifle Association

[Lemsta69]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

US military didn't like it, and why it was upgraded to the M16. 

Upgrade? This in-depth article suggests otherwise...

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/

Edited April 16, 2023 by Lemsta69

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not at all. I never lived in the US, but I owned 3 weapons- 2 rifles and a shotgun. No longer though.

If I lived in the US I'd have a lot more than that, including handguns, and lots of ammunition ready in magazines.

For what?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

For what?

In case someone tried a home invasion on me. Same reason I used to have a shotgun.

No desire to walk around armed in public.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not the civilian version and I doubt if any military uses it today.   US military didn't like it, and why it was upgraded to the M16. 

 

If it wasn't for the media, and the attempt to ban it, it wouldn't be so popular.  For 30 yrs, it had poor sales, and not until the Brady bill did sales rocket.

 

With every attempt to ban it, sales and profits (price also) have gone up.   You want to encourage people to own something .... tell them they can't.

The best weapon for home protection is a shotgun, IMO. Don't even have to take time to aim.

Second best would be a handgun.

 

Fear is probably why so many have weapons in the US, and I'm sure the media are doing all they can to make people fearful, with all the stories about crime.

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that a fully auto weapon has no place in any civil society.

Why do you want to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms? The Second Amendment does not ban fully auto weapons.

 

The Las Vegas mass shooter used bump stocks on some thirteen of his weapons, allowing him to murder sixty-one persons, and wound a staggering four-hundred and thirteen (at least) persons in a short amount of time.

 

While bump stocks have been banned since ~ 2018, I think that ban is on track to be rescinded eventually by SCOTUS.

 

 

A U.S. appeals court blocks a ban on rapid-fire 'bump stocks'

 

NEW ORLEANS — A Trump administration ban on bump stocks — devices that enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic weapons after an initial trigger pull — was struck down Friday by a federal appeals court in New Orleans.

 

The ban was instituted after a gunman perched in a high-rise hotel using bump stock-equipped weapons massacred dozens of people in Las Vegas in 2017. Gun rights advocates have challenged it in multiple courts. The 13-3 ruling at the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of appeals is the latest on the issue, which is likely to be decided at the Supreme Court.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147698112/bump-stocks-ban-struck-down-court

 

 

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Lemsta69 said:

This in-depth article suggests otherwise...

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/

Taking a guess, but most drafted into the Nam war, never owned or even shot a rifle, let alone how to care for one.

 

Major 'known' drawback of the AR-15, M16, M14, and told about in boot camp (yes I was told) ... they suck if they get dirt, any dirt in the barrel or mechanisms.

 

Complaints to parents, would fall under 'user error'...IMHO   Also the .223, excellent in open areas, not so in jungle warfare, as round is too light vs the heavy AK round.

 

Still an excellent weapon, M16, and as with all machines, only as good as the operator.   I loved it.

 

I talk from experience, not news-blips or Op-eds.  Even more fun to  shoot is the M60 .. ????

[pomchop]

6 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Why do you want to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms? The Second Amendment does not ban fully auto weapons.

 

The Las Vegas mass shooter used bump stocks on some thirteen of his weapons, allowing him to murder sixty-one persons, and wound a staggering four-hundred and thirteen (at least) persons in a short amount of time.

 

While bump stocks have been banned since ~ 2018, I think that ban is on track to be rescinded eventually by SCOTUS.

 

 

A U.S. appeals court blocks a ban on rapid-fire 'bump stocks'

 

NEW ORLEANS — A Trump administration ban on bump stocks — devices that enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic weapons after an initial trigger pull — was struck down Friday by a federal appeals court in New Orleans.

 

The ban was instituted after a gunman perched in a high-rise hotel using bump stock-equipped weapons massacred dozens of people in Las Vegas in 2017. Gun rights advocates have challenged it in multiple courts. The 13-3 ruling at the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of appeals is the latest on the issue, which is likely to be decided at the Supreme Court.

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/1147698112/bump-stocks-ban-struck-down-court

 

Guess you missed the part about WELL REGULATED?

 

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country:

 

[bamnutsak]

1 minute ago, pomchop said:

Guess you missed the part about WELL REGULATED?

 

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country:

 

Of course I didn't "miss it", but that argument carries little sway with SCOTUS and gun nuts.

 

And, by the way the exact wording is

 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

 

And, by the way, most gun nuts argue that the "well-regulated milita" is but a preamble describing the "environment", and not a requirement.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

14 hours ago, Credo said:

It's a weapon of war whose only purpose is to kill large numbers of people quickly.  

 

Agree 100%. Of course the NRA and its loons will always try and distract from that fact. I prefer the opinions of real professionals.

 

"That’s why an explanation of the difference between an AR-15 and military-style firearms from retired Major General Paul Eaton has gone viral. Major General Eaton was the commander in charge of training Iraqi soldiers during Operation Iraqi Freedom, so he definitely knows what he’s talking about when it comes to weaponry."

https://www.upworthy.com/military-general-explains-ar15-weapon-of-war-rp2

Full twitter thread in the link. https://twitter.com/PaulDEaton52/status/1532492803271544833

 

& here's a legal court decision:

 

"the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, came down squarely one side of this debate, with big implications for how states regulate assault weapons. In a 10-4 decision, the federal court upheld Maryland’s 2013 assault weapons ban, finding that guns like the AR-15 are weapons of war, and thus American civilians don’t have an unfettered right to buy and own them under the Second Amendment."

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/02/assault-rifles-ban-ar-15-weapon-of-war/

 

[jvs]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Also useful for killing criminals that try to attack one and one's family in one's home.

Sure ,sure,when is the last time you got attacked in your home?

I you have so many enemies maybe it is something about you?

But i understand,any excuse no matter how old or worn out is being used

by the gun people.

Wish they came up with something new and original but that will never happen because they can't.

[bamnutsak]

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

Wish they came up with something new and original but that will never happen because they can't.

Agreed, but ~ 25 states have passed some form of "Stand your ground" (which has been extended to anywhere you might be) or "Castle Doctrine" laws.

 

 

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, jvs said:

Sure ,sure,when is the last time you got attacked in your home?

I you have so many enemies maybe it is something about you?

But i understand,any excuse no matter how old or worn out is being used

by the gun people.

Wish they came up with something new and original but that will never happen because they can't.

Something wrong with being prepared.   Home invasions & burglaries are real.  Most homes in my neighborhood were broken into, except mine, my friends, and other known gun owners .... Go figure.

 

It's a right to own ... nobody is forced to participate. 

 

I have flat tire repair in my car,  Haven't had a flat tire (car) in years, if not a decade, but I still have a fix or spare.  Better to have, than need, works in so many situations.

Edited April 16, 2023 by KhunLA

[bamnutsak]

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Most homes in my neighborhood were broken into, except mine, my friends, and other known gun owners .... Go figure.

"Most"? Really? Where did you live? Kabul?

 

All these homes were broken into when someone was at home?

 

And how did these burglers/home invaders know that you were a gun owner?

 

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I have flat tire repair in my car, 

So you have just one flat tire repair kit? And one spare? Why not four, of each, you know, to be prepared?

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

49 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

And how did these burglers/home invaders know that you were a gun owner?

Me shooting firearms in the yard would be a pretty good clue.

 

Have a nice day

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Why do you want to infringe on my right to keep and bear arms? The Second Amendment does not ban fully auto weapons.

 

I doubt they could even imagine fully auto weapons in 1791.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Of course I didn't "miss it", but that argument carries little sway with SCOTUS and gun nuts.

 

And, by the way the exact wording is

 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

 

And, by the way, most gun nuts argue that the "well-regulated milita" is but a preamble describing the "environment", and not a requirement.

 

 

IMO the militia they wanted was to keep the government from becoming like the one they overthrew, not one to protect from foreign invaders.

Perhaps they understood the meaning of
"power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

[herfiehandbag]

On 4/16/2023 at 5:33 AM, pomchop said:

no worries....bible beaters, republicans, NRA, and delusional people know all they need is thoughts and prayers and no more mass slaughters

Even they, deep down  acknowledge that they (thoughts and prayers) are mere hypothetical platitudes.

 

It is a price they are prepared to pay to indulge their delusions.

 

And frankly you can't get much more deluded than naming a brand of semi-automatic rifle, a weapon simply designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible, the beloved "National Gun of the United States of America". It has been used to blow the heads off children in school for crying out loud!

 

In fact, given recent events naming it as such is more than deluded, it is morbidly sick.

Edited April 17, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Even they, deep down  acknowledge that they (thoughts and prayers) are mere hypothetical platitudes.

 

It is a price they are prepared to pay to indulge their delusions.

Are you claiming that armed crime and home invasions in America are a delusion?

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you claiming that armed crime and home invasions in America are a delusion?

I'm pretty sure you also understand that it's the idea of home invasions being so prevalent that one needs to have an arsenal of war weapons at home which is the delusion.

But instead you go straight into breathless hyperbole. Lame.

[Bkk Brian]

 

https://news.yahoo.com/americas-parents-show-increasing-concern-133339395.html

[KhunLA]

READ THIS SLOWLY & CAREFULLY

 

IF you ban ALL RIFLES ..

... you'll only stop about 400 murders.

 

I rounded up, as latest FBI stats are 364

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

READ THIS SLOWLY & CAREFULLY

 

IF you ban ALL RIFLES ..

... you'll only stop about 400 murders.

 

I rounded up, as latest FBI stats are 364

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

 

So you are alright about that 400 being taken out....?  

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

READ THIS SLOWLY & CAREFULLY

 

IF you ban ALL RIFLES ..

... you'll only stop about 400 murders.

 

I rounded up, as latest FBI stats are 364

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

 

So collateral damage of around 400 is fine to keep your rights eh? Does it mention how many kids were in that 400?

 

By the way, its more than that, latest figures from 2021 are 447 and that does not take into account the 4,740 firearm deaths where the weapon was unknown, so could be a rifle or handgun.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

READ THIS SLOWLY & CAREFULLY

 

IF you ban ALL RIFLES ..

... you'll only stop about 400 murders.

 

I rounded up, as latest FBI stats are 364

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

 

And there you have it. 400 murders a year (how many children?) make an acceptable price to pay for the "freedom" to possess military weapons.

 

You really cannot argue with that, it would be like trying to pee up Niagara Falls!

[onthedarkside]

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