New Security System needed

[moogradod]

36 minutes ago, BE88 said:

I've read well that you don't want dogs, but reconsider having three dogs in your garden as they have plenty of Thais and the best weapon of deterrence you can have against masked thieves that you could never identify with the best cameras.

But of course it's just my opinion.

These dogs do nothing but disturb and pose a possible danger to the young children that live with us in the house. Not to talk about rabies etc. And I will get rid of them. I have determined methods to do that in a humane way without harming them. And in a semi humane way if necessary. Maybe I should as well say that the Puyai Baan of the Tambon is the father of a friend of my wife. Maybe we can get him to deport the bunch to a place far far away.

 

No burglar whould even know that he is recorded. And if they would see one camera it is too late. We have since long received an alarm on our phones and can contact someone in the vicinity that may act. Apart from the evidence stored abroad. This is all part of the whole system. I still have some months to implement all that.

Edited May 7, 2023 by moogradod

[recom273]

11 minutes ago, moogradod said:

OK, I will look at hookup again. I am a quite persistent person. I need a surveillance system with my requirements and I will get it - some way or another.

 

I do not know the format the ARLO Base Station communicates to the router. The problem is that we are in Thailand and some components might be hard to get. Have a look at the ARLO website to know the advantages. https://www.arlo.com/en-us/Of course selective detection and clips to the cloud accessible from everywhere and the extreme ease which which it is "installed" (does not need an installation actually, just carry the very small cameras - which fit into a childs palm - around and place them where you want them to be and then just configure the ARLO App on the mobiles. You may change that in a jiffy if required as well. The charged batteries last incredibly long (months). You may use a desktop to access the cloud from anywhere and then download the videos to your locall environment as evidence. So far I was really reluctant to use cloud services (Google, Microsoft). Just hate the idea - many reasons. I will make me knowledgeable about blue iris / ProjectAI (does not really sound good to me - it's the "AI" in the name which does alarm me. Big Data, AI - I block everything I could possibly reveal to Google etc. No Facebook, no Line, no Twitter, no social media at all. AN is the only social media platform I do exchange information with.

Arlo cameras output RTSP - You can use this stream from your existing cameras.

 

This can be utilized by anything, Synology have a security app on their NAS - you can use their app "DS Video" on your phone to receive notifications and view footage.

 

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.. does not really sound good to me ..

LOL? ProjectAI is part of Blue Iris NVR, it analyses the video feed and alerts you / only records what you want. It's nothing to do with social media. I dont know if its been integrated in to ProjectAI yet, but there was a library for "Frigate" which could ANPR / read Thai number plates. Im currently building my house, so my system is down, but looking forward to playing around in the future, a time when my cameras can read my numberplate and will automatically open the gate for me.

 

I hate having to stop use perfectly good kit, I don't like to pay for extra services when I can utilize what I already have, I don't want to let unknown apps or systems on my own network - So I have in the past / will in the near future maintain my own security system / home automation system, if you are not a hobbiest - then Reolink might have some features https://reolink.com that interest you.

[recom273]

https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/smart-home/arlo-will-end-support-for-these-older-cameras-in-april-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

EOL after only 4 years, Nice! Shame really, the first thing I check is security flaws, there doesn't seem to be any issues with Arlo.

 

You could integrate those cameras into another system, for instance, Motioneye on your home computer is a simple thing you could setup, but wouldn't have the advanced features that you enjoy with ARLO. Or you could update your cameras, after 4 years, your cameras sensor will be out of date, and you will probably get better performance for less money with a new camera, if you can use your existing base station. This is why I refer to run a stand alone system, I can buy a new higher spec camera which will pick put greater detail and retire perfectly good "old" cameras to less critical areas, like monitoring the cat, 

 

 

[moogradod]

48 minutes ago, recom273 said:

https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/smart-home/arlo-will-end-support-for-these-older-cameras-in-april-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

 

EOL after only 4 years, Nice! Shame really, the first thing I check is security flaws, there doesn't seem to be any issues with Arlo.

 

You could integrate those cameras into another system, for instance, Motioneye on your home computer is a simple thing you could setup, but wouldn't have the advanced features that you enjoy with ARLO. Or you could update your cameras, after 4 years, your cameras sensor will be out of date, and you will probably get better performance for less money with a new camera, if you can use your existing base station. This is why I refer to run a stand alone system, I can buy a new higher spec camera which will pick put greater detail and retire perfectly good "old" cameras to less critical areas, like monitoring the cat, 

 

 

Thank you. That's exactly the reason why I struggle at the moment. I even have a Synology NAS with the Surveillance App installed - worked before in Switzerland with other cameras, too, but this does not help much for I get no cloud storage this way.

 

Granted, EOL after 4 years is not really it. But otherwise they are excellent ???? and I would buy a set anytime again - but cannot because they are not supported from Thailand ! No idea why. Cloud storage for TAPO has as well a very strange list where it does work and where not. Probably could cheat it by using VPN to access the account and the router setting up VPN for a supported country.????

 

One thing to consider is as well my age (67) and my health condition. I am quite sick and could leave this world anytime soon. So I am only motivated for solutions that more or less work out of the box. I wil gladly give an order to someone to do everything for me. Only configuration and IT-setup is something I still can do comfortably.

 

Did not find any substitute yet which is really surprizing. Do the suppliers not know what their customers want ? What I see in abundance on Aliexpress and Lazada is most probably crap. They focus on resultion etc. and not on really necessary functions. My requirements are nothing extraordinary but merely the minimum.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by moogradod

[Mickeymaus]

3 hours ago, BE88 said:

I've read well that you don't want dogs, but reconsider having three dogs in your garden as they have plenty of Thais and the best weapon of deterrence you can have against masked thieves that you could never identify with the best cameras.

But of course it's just my opinion.

Yes, but you can poison the dogs too.

 

Many, many years ago when I still lived in the US I had an alarm system that notified a security company and they came and checked what was going on. It there no service like this in Thailand? Nowadays I live in a condo in Pattaya - enough security here.

[Mickeymaus]

3 hours ago, BE88 said:

I've read well that you don't want dogs, but reconsider having three dogs in your garden as they have plenty of Thais and the best weapon of deterrence you can have against masked thieves that you could never identify with the best cameras.

But of course it's just my opinion.

Yes, but you can poison the dogs too.

 

Many, many years ago when I still lived in the US I had an alarm system that notified a security company and they came and checked what was going on. It there no service like this in Thailand? Nowadays I live in a condo in Pattaya - enough security here.

[recom273]

9 minutes ago, moogradod said:

Thank you. That's exactly the reason why I struggle at the moment. I even have a Synology NAS with the Surveillance App installed - worked before in Switzerland with other cameras, too, but this does not help much for I get no cloud storage this way.

 

Granted, EOL after 4 years is not really it. But otherwise they are excellent ???? and I would buy a set anytime again - but cannot because they are not supported from Thailand ! No idea why. Cloud storage for TAPO has as well a very strange list where it does work and where not. Probably could cheat it by using VPN to access the account and the router setting up VPN for a supported country.????

 

One thing to consider is as well my age (67) and my health condition. I am quite sick and could leave this world anytime soon. So I am only motivated for solutions that more or less work out of the box. I wil gladly give an order to someone to do everything for me. Only configuration and IT-setup is something I still can do comfortably.

 

Did not find any substitute yet which is really surprizing. Do the suppliers not know what their customers want ? What I see in abundance on Aliexpress and Lazada is most probably crap. They focus on resultion etc. and not on really necessary functions. My requirements are nothing extraordinary but merely the minimum.

 

 

You can add those cameras to surveillance station, then you can use resillio sync to sync a folder to the cloud - what cloud services do you already pay for? I understand you dont want to use google, I use none of them - but maybe you could rent a very cheap server.

[moogradod]

12 minutes ago, recom273 said:

You can add those cameras to surveillance station, then you can use resillio sync to sync a folder to the cloud - what cloud services do you already pay for? I understand you dont want to use google, I use none of them - but maybe you could rent a very cheap server.

I have no cloud service and I have removed anything slightly ressembling or associating with such a service from all devices I own.

[recom273]

1 minute ago, moogradod said:

I have no cloud service and I have removed anything slightly ressembling or associating with such a service from all devices I own.

But you have a Arlo cloud server? 

 

There is nothing wrong with self hosting your own cloud, something like nextcloud on a server in Europe. 

[moogradod]

23 minutes ago, Mickeymaus said:

Yes, but you can poison the dogs too.

 

Many, many years ago when I still lived in the US I had an alarm system that notified a security company and they came and checked what was going on. It there no service like this in Thailand? Nowadays I live in a condo in Pattaya - enough security here.

I would never rely on that. To get alarms directly and act on them is by far faster and as well more reliable - and cheaper. We would inform the nearest neighbor. Our house is stand alone and not in a gated community.

Edited May 7, 2023 by moogradod

[moogradod]

Just now, recom273 said:

But you have a Arlo cloud server? 

 

There is nothing wrong with self hosting your own cloud, something like nextcloud on a server in Europe. 

I did have an ARLO cloud server, yes, but what was recorded there was nothing special. I never needed the cameras. And then you can download the clips and they are gone. In this situation only you cannot avoid cloud storage in an environment you do not control (shiver ????)

 

Currently we live in a condo with high security. It would be difficult to proceed to our entrance even. 7 x 24 h.

Our new house is stand alone and not in a gated community but I will think out surprizes for any intruder so I would not recommend to try braking in. The cameras are just one part of the whole system.

[Mickeymaus]

1 minute ago, moogradod said:

I would never rely on that. To get alarms directly and act on them is by far faster and as well more reliable. We would inform the nearest neighbor. Our house is stand alone and not in a gated community.

The security company got the alarm right away if I didn't turn it off soon. They came to my house within 10 minutes. Then, if I accidentally happened to be the intruder, I had to show them IDs and answer questions. But of course that was in a densely populated area. They had a lot of customers there. The same I had for the fire alarms.

[BE88]

5 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

Yes, but you can poison the dogs too.

 

Many, many years ago when I still lived in the US I had an alarm system that notified a security company and they came and checked what was going on. It there no service like this in Thailand? Nowadays I live in a condo in Pattaya - enough security here.

It can also happen that dogs are poisoned and it also happens but at least it is an alarm of a possible theft. To my knowledge there is unfortunately no warning system like in the West that you can absolutely trust in Thailand.

Living in a condo has more security benefits than living in a home that's secure.

 

[moogradod]

5 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

The security company got the alarm right away if I didn't turn it off soon. They came to my house within 10 minutes. Then, if I accidentally happened to be the intruder, I had to show them IDs and answer questions. But of course that was in a densely populated area. They had a lot of customers there. The same I had for the fire alarms.

 

4 minutes ago, BE88 said:

It can also happen that dogs are poisoned and it also happens but at least it is an alarm of a possible theft. To my knowledge there is unfortunately no warning system like in the West that you can absolutely trust in Thailand.

Living in a condo has more security benefits than living in a home that's secure.

 

The 5 dogs that are strolling around our property and enter it once the garage door is opened have already learned that they are not welcome. They go away as soon as I shout at them. They are timid and would never give any alarm. My wife proposed to get a German Shepherd, trained by a specialist together with us. That would be more like it but we have already enough family members to take care of. I had once a dog and I know the problems that this can make. In Thailand you cannot even take your dog to the public transport which is a matter of course in Switzerland.

 

As far as the warning system is concerned I am not so sure although it is hairy as can be to find the correct one. ALDO would be the perfect system, but for some unknown reason it may not be operated from Thailand. But I am not giving up quickly.

[connda]

We have electronic gadgets as well as 6 dogs.  The dogs are worth their weight in dog food.  Early warning, deterrence, teeth......  Much scarier than barbed wire, lights, and cameras, although we have those too.

[BE88]

12 hours ago, moogradod said:

 

The 5 dogs that are strolling around our property and enter it once the garage door is opened have already learned that they are not welcome. They go away as soon as I shout at them. They are timid and would never give any alarm. My wife proposed to get a German Shepherd, trained by a specialist together with us. That would be more like it but we have already enough family members to take care of. I had once a dog and I know the problems that this can make. In Thailand you cannot even take your dog to the public transport which is a matter of course in Switzerland.

 

As far as the warning system is concerned I am not so sure although it is hairy as can be to find the correct one. ALDO would be the perfect system, but for some unknown reason it may not be operated from Thailand. But I am not giving up quickly.

The dogs that roam around your property are only looking for food and certainly do not defend your property because it is not theirs, but if you have a dog in your garden he defends his property without any instructions.

My dog is happy to be in his garden and doesn't need to take him for walks. The only thing he needs is food and water and tick treatment.

The advantage of having a dog and having an alarm when you are at home long before your electronic gadgets.

 

Of course if you don't like dogs not taking it would be a burden on you and the poor dog who would not feel welcome.

 

[BE88]

11 hours ago, connda said:

We have electronic gadgets as well as 6 dogs.  The dogs are worth their weight in dog food.  Early warning, deterrence, teeth......  Much scarier than barbed wire, lights, and cameras, although we have those too.

6 dog  woohoo well protect house????

[moogradod]

On 5/8/2023 at 7:16 AM, BE88 said:

6 dog  woohoo well protect house????

In the countryside we have a house (very rural style) with about 11 dogs (one more is born, others are overrun by cars). The house is never even locked, but if anybody unknown enters the property at least one starts to bark and the others will follow. Night and day. The perfect security system actually - they are on the property in every direction. But not really an option for the house we have here ????.

 

I am still looking for a suitable Camera System. Extremely difficult. If you seem to have found it, you will later find some downsides (one example: I would mind to have my face on a Chinese Cloud Server with face recognition). Some are using Amazon Cloud Services hosted in Singapore, but these have other flaws....A siren that you can barely hear in the next room ? No, thank you. From 100db-120db up is OK.

[BE88]

22 minutes ago, moogradod said:

In the countryside we have a house (very rural style) with about 11 dogs (one more is born, others are overrun by cars). The house is never even locked, but if anybody unknown enters the property at least one starts to bark and the others will follow. Night and day. The perfect security system actually - they are on the property in every direction. But not really an option for the house we have here ????.

 

I am still looking for a suitable Camera System. Extremely difficult. If you seem to have found it, you will later find some downsides (one example: I would mind to have my face on a Chinese Cloud Server with face recognition). Some are using Amazon Cloud Services hosted in Singapore, but these have other flaws....A siren that you can barely hear in the next room ? No, thank you. From 100db-120db up is OK.

Personally the so called "security cameras" are spies that you install in your private spaces, so they will never enter my house, I prefer a system thousands of years old that never fails, a good watchdog.

 

[PJ71]

I've lived here for 24 years and never felt the need for any sort of security system as being mentioned here.

 

To the OP, is there a reason for this? Lots of break ins where you live, previous bad experience or....

[Snugs08]

28 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

I've lived here for 24 years and never felt the need for any sort of security system as being mentioned here.

 

To the OP, is there a reason for this? Lots of break ins where you live, previous bad experience or....

I'm weighing it up myself recently, then I remember story about someone who never locked their doors, as the doors were more valuable than any single item to replace, took a while for me to get round to his point of view, and whilst that was a villa in the jungle, and I'm in a gated community, so there's some differences I'm not sure we would benefit from a pricey security system, are they going to carry out my LCD TV past the sleeping security guard? if I'm away extended periods I have my laptop, phone etc.. anyway. There's still other valueables, but single item probably max out 15k and the logistic involved in removing would stress Fedex,  I guess there's a concern they would get in whilst we were sleeping but surely they would choose a house where the owner was out, not one with all signs of living - car, shoes outside, patio lights on etc.. I'm not saying I'm 100% on the unlock door view, but certainly pausing on security system expense, another thing to weigh up

 

If I was storing cash, jewellery, gold blocks, silver, paper bonds, rolexs, then maybe I'd consider or probably just rent a safety deposit box at the bank instead..

 

Whats the usual haul?

Edited May 10, 2023 by Snugs08

[moogradod]

1 hour ago, PJ71 said:

I've lived here for 24 years and never felt the need for any sort of security system as being mentioned here.

 

To the OP, is there a reason for this? Lots of break ins where you live, previous bad experience or....

Yes there is more than one reason. When we drive around in the area, we notice that many of the (sometimes very huge) private houses have very high walls with barbed wire, glass slivers on top. I do not know how many burglaries there are, but I take this as an indication.

 

Then I remember a story that someone told us. A family went on a longer holiday, they had a break-in and when they returned the house was empty. I mean absolutely completely empty. Not even a toothbrush remaining.

 

And this would be no good for us for we posess expensive items. Apart from my guitar collection and amplifiers I have a really expensive IT-environment, we have a Home Theatre, thousands of CDs and DVDs, a very comprehensive selection of Kitchen-Machines, with some in a very high price range (I would guess more than 100KTHB if they were available here at all, like our Ice-Cream maker with compressor, they sell other brands at Central but as well in the 25KTHB+ range) - so this adds up tremendously. And custom made leather upholstery with a value of a cheap car.

 

Then two video cameras and an SLR with all accessories and many different lenses you can think of. And this does not even include jewellery and cash. But these items are stored in a safety deposit box at a bank. Insurance ? Not in Thailand - asking for a household insurance here is a joke - I tried it once with a very well known broker. They would not want to give me even a contract but wanted me to pay. Without me knowing what I would get for my money. Like in a bank when you want to open an account. You sign a lot of papers you do not understand and then you not even get a copy. A total waste.

 

You are right - in a condo this is all no problem even if the locks and doors seem to stem from a century ago. Opened in under a minute for sure - but you have little chance to proceed to the entrance in our building. I had once a break in in Switzerland long before I married and I know how they do it. They come over as organized gangs from Rumania there. What I lost was my vast collection of highest class copies of watches but undistinguable from the originals from the outside and weidht etc. I wonder what happened to the burglers if they tried to sell the stuff ????

 

If my wife and me were monks there was nothing to worry about. The less you have, the less you have to worry about. But we are not monks and have brought a lot of stuff from Switzerland here via container. And now I need to take care of the security of that all.

 

 

[moogradod]

I noticed that some of the houses in the vicinity have barbed wire with electric charging mounted. I find this idea appealing provided I were allowed to get them charged with a high voltage.

 

But then it reminds me of the houses I saw in the Philippines many many years ago. Some had installed Floodlights even. Like in a prison. But it is to protect us and not the others outside.

 

Reminds me of the famous sentence in a film with Vin Diesel who told the inmates: "I am not imprisoned with you, you are imprisoned with me" (or alike).