Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, kwilco said: "Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win" - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017 What he actually said was : “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.” He didn't mention a second referendum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Before Brexit, farage and his cronies mot of whom are 3 goose-steps to the right of Adolf Hitler moned about the EU for 40 years. 35 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: Oh dear. What exactly does that have to do with my post, regarding Remainers? what makes you think I'm talking to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, kwilco said: Before Brexit, farage and his cronies mot of whom are 3 goose-steps to the right of Adolf Hitler moned about the EU for 40 years. what makes you think I'm talking to you? Anyone who isn't to the Left of Chairman Mao, is considered to be Far Right these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, kwilco said: what makes you think I'm talking to you? You quoted my post. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said: Had there been, Remainers would have been up in arms about the prospect of people trying to overturn the democracy of a one and only referendum. Shame they can't think that way now. Remainers are agreeing with Nigel and criticising him at the same time . They are criticising him for saying "it wouldn't be the end" whilst doing the same thing by trying to get another referendum and also calling him a hypocrite ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Remainers are agreeing with Nigel and criticising him at the same time . They are criticising him for saying "it wouldn't be the end" whilst doing the same thing by trying to get another referendum and also calling him a hypocrite ???? We could mention SNP but that might take us off topic. ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kwilco Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 tonight in the UK the ENTIRE British motor industry is saying that the Brexit trade agreement is threatening their existence and 800,000 jobs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, kwilco said: tonight in the UK the ENTIRE British motor industry is saying that the Brexit trade agreement is threatening their existence and 800,000 jobs Details here Ford, Vauxhall owner and JLR call for UK to renegotiate Brexit deal https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/17/vauxhall-maker-says-brexit-deal-must-be-renegotiated-or-it-could-shut-uk-plant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Just now, candide said: Details here Ford, Vauxhall owner and JLR call for UK to renegotiate Brexit deal https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/17/vauxhall-maker-says-brexit-deal-must-be-renegotiated-or-it-could-shut-uk-plant Nissan too....this was referred to as "project fear" by Brexiteers....the government who can't admit that Brexit was a disaster have for years said they will "not renegotiate" In 2016 the British motor industry was bigger than it had ever been in its history. now it is smaller than at any time since the 1950s. Still waiting to hear of a Brexit benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, kwilco said: ENTIRE British motor industry I'd be interested to see a link to see what the "entire" motor industry said. I guess you can't find one due to gross over exaggeration. Edited May 17, 2023 by youreavinalaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kwilco Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 45 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I'd be interested to see a link to see what the "entire" motor industry said. I guess you can't find one due to gross over exaggeration. Spokesman from Nissan this eveing on BBC news. Do you really think it isn't happening? - head in the sand Brexiteer? What do you think is happening? Se if you can answer rather than sealioning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, kwilco said: Spokesman from Nissan this eveing on BBC news. Do you really think it isn't happening? - head in the sand Brexiteer? What do you think is happening? Se if you can answer rather than sealioning. I would need to see evidence about the "entire" motor industry before i could comment. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 hours ago, nauseus said: Appreciated. My post was essentially my opinion. Farage would not have been able to change a remain vote and I think he is intelligent enough to know that and I do believe that there would not have been any meaningful outcry from leavers for another referendum in the case that remain had won. That is because those who voted leave are also fairly democratic and would respect the result, either way. We will have to agree to disagree. My opinion is that if it had been 52-48 in favour of Remain, the likes of Farage and the ERG would not have gone away quietly. Whether the majority of 'Leave' supporters would have accepted the result is debatable. In any event, we'll never know as they are purely hypothetical questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, kwilco said: Spokesman from Nissan this eveing on BBC news. Do you really think it isn't happening? - head in the sand Brexiteer? What do you think is happening? Se if you can answer rather than sealioning. I think you will find that was Former Nissan executive and battery start-up businessman Andy Palmer Nissan UK currently has its own Battery Factory in the UK and are currently building another one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, kwilco said: Nissan too....this was referred to as "project fear" by Brexiteers....the government who can't admit that Brexit was a disaster have for years said they will "not renegotiate" In 2016 the British motor industry was bigger than it had ever been in its history. now it is smaller than at any time since the 1950s. Still waiting to hear of a Brexit benefit. Look forward to you providing a link that states that in 2016 he British motor industry was bigger than it had ever been in its history 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Anyone who isn't to the Left of Chairman Mao, is considered to be Far Right these days That works both ways. Braverman, the ERG and UKIP (or whatever it calls itself nowadays) considers anyone who doesn't yearn for the days of Empire, and isn't wary of Johnny Foreigner, to be a Communist infiltrator and a quisling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 42 minutes ago, RayC said: That works both ways. Braverman, the ERG and UKIP (or whatever it calls itself nowadays) considers anyone who doesn't yearn for the days of Empire, and isn't wary of Johnny Foreigner, to be a Communist infiltrator and a quisling. Nope , no one yearns for the days of the Empire , that is from a bygone age , that began about 400 years ago and ended about 100 years ago . The U.K has moved on from that and some of the things that the U.K did in India were appalling , but Braverman , Sunak and everyone has moved on from that era and are getting on living in the present 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 6 hours ago, kwilco said: Nissan too....this was referred to as "project fear" by Brexiteers....the government who can't admit that Brexit was a disaster have for years said they will "not renegotiate" In 2016 the British motor industry was bigger than it had ever been in its history. now it is smaller than at any time since the 1950s. Still waiting to hear of a Brexit benefit. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, RayC said: We will have to agree to disagree. My opinion is that if it had been 52-48 in favour of Remain, the likes of Farage and the ERG would not have gone away quietly. Whether the majority of 'Leave' supporters would have accepted the result is debatable. In any event, we'll never know as they are purely hypothetical questions. OK. Agree to disagree. Leave leaders would have made a lot of noise but that's as far as they would have got and I think Farage knows that. Edited May 18, 2023 by nauseus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 7 hours ago, vinny41 said: Look forward to you providing a link that states that in 2016 he British motor industry was bigger than it had ever been in its history That was a bit excessive, but it was doing quite well around 2016. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/car-production 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, candide said: That was a bit excessive, but it was doing quite well around 2016. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/car-production SMMTT stated for 2015 Best year in a decade for British car manufacturing as exports reach record high UK car manufacturing reaches 10-year high, growing 3.9% to 1,587,677 vehicles. 21 January 2016 British manufacturers made more cars in 2015 than any year since 2005 when 1,595,697 vehicles were produced https://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/01/best-year-in-a-decade-for-british-car-manufacturing-as-exports-reach-record-high/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 And SMMTT stated for 2016 UK car production reached its HIGHEST LEVEL in 17 years in 2016 SMMT-Motor-Industry-Facts-2017_online_May.pdf which is not the same as the claim that was posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, vinny41 said: SMMTT stated for 2015 Best year in a decade for British car manufacturing as exports reach record high UK car manufacturing reaches 10-year high, growing 3.9% to 1,587,677 vehicles. 21 January 2016 British manufacturers made more cars in 2015 than any year since 2005 when 1,595,697 vehicles were produced https://www.smmt.co.uk/2016/01/best-year-in-a-decade-for-british-car-manufacturing-as-exports-reach-record-high/ Different sources show slightly different figures, but the trend is the same. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/united-kingdom/motor-vehicle-production 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: And SMMTT stated for 2016 UK car production reached its HIGHEST LEVEL in 17 years in 2016 SMMT-Motor-Industry-Facts-2017_online_May.pdf which is not the same as the claim that was posted I agree, That's why I mentioned it was excessive to state that. However, 2016 was still a very good year, comparable to the other peak around 1998. One of the two highest peaks in 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted May 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Nope , no one yearns for the days of the Empire , that is from a bygone age , that began about 400 years ago and ended about 100 years ago . The U.K has moved on from that and some of the things that the U.K did in India were appalling , but Braverman , Sunak and everyone has moved on from that era and are getting on living in the present You can't speak for Nigel Farage but have no trouble categorically stating that Braverman, Sunak and "everyone" else (!!) has moved on from the days of Empire!!! A lack of consistency, methinks. In any event, that is your opinion, not a fact. Mine differs. The empire did not end "about 100 years ago" as you state, it started to disintegrate after WW2. Most countries which had been in the Empire did not gain independence until the '50s or '60s. Those born in the '40s will remember the period. They will also have influenced their children, so I'd contend that there are almost certainly people (albeit a minority) who still yearn for the days of Empire. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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