Children under 12 months old should be vaccinated against COVID-19

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, BritScot said:

Try educating yourself. First go research direct to places like UK. GOV website where facts are shown and not spin from vested interest xxxxx (can't call them people). Even the UK had to stop this nonsence about children getting vax. 

Keep your anti vax misinformation to yourself would be good.

 

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has advised that clinically vulnerable children aged 6 months to 4 years should be offered a coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine.

Although young children are generally at low risk of developing severe illness from COVID-19, infants and young children who have underlying medical conditions are over 7 times more likely to be admitted to paediatric intensive care units.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/children-aged-6-months-to-4-years-in-clinical-risk-groups-to-be-offered-covid-19-vaccine-says-jcvi

 

Children under 12 years will be given smaller doses than older children and adults.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/covid-19/covid-19-vaccination/about-covid-19-vaccination/

 

The United States has joined a handful of countries recommending that children aged 6 months to 5 years should receive covid-19 vaccines

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o1863

 

LONDON, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Britain's health regulator on Tuesday authorised a COVID-19 vaccine for infants as young as six months, opening the door for vaccinating the country's youngest children once the UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) agrees.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) authorised the vaccine - made by Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech (22UAy.DE) - for children aged six months to four years old, after it was deemed safe and effective based on an ongoing clinical trial involving 4,526 participants.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-health-regulator-approves-pfizerbiontech-covid-vaccine-infants-2022-12-06/

Edited June 5, 2023 by ozimoron

[WHansen]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

COVID-19 infection rate among under children less than a year old was 1,581 for every 100,000 of the population, followed by 647 for 100,000 of the population among people aged over 70.

 

From May 28th to June 3rd, there were 3,085 admissions to hospitals, or an average of 440 cases a day, representing an increase of 4% from the previous week.

 

386 were diagnosed with lung infections and 243 of them needed ventilators. The death toll was 68, or an average of 9 per day, 97% of whom were over 60 or had underlying diseases.

A number or percentage of under 12 month old fatalaties or serious illness caused by Covid might be helpful.

We have the 1,581 per 100,000 infections for under 12 month olds and 647 per 100,000 for over 70 year olds in the given period. There we 68 deaths of which 97% were over 60 years old or had underlying diseases..... 3% of deaths were below 60 years old and had no underlying diseases.

No reports on how many of the 3% were in the vaccine target group of under 1 year old.

It's hard to imagine many under 1's have underlying diseases.

I'm no anti vax, had 3 for work and travel but for the under 1's, i'm not sure unless there are underlying health problems.

[dinsdale]

26 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

who have waited the longest for this protection.

Protection from what? What is the current global daily death rate for children under one directly caused by covid-19 Omicron strains and did they have severe comorbitities?

57,136,843 Births this year and it's increasing about 3-5 more every second. https://www.worldometers.info/ and these are just the new borns. Not the rest of the baby population under 12 months.

How many of these are at risk of dying from Omicron. The number must be absolutely miniscule yet all children under the age of one should get jabbed. WHY?

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by dinsdale

[Dart12]

Wow.  I guess if they will sit there and tell you a man can give birth with a straight face, saying kids are in danger of covid is an easy horror-porn to spin.

Kids are practically bulletproof to covid...and should be builidng a natural antibodies to it for when they get to their 60s (when 87% of all deaths start occurring "due" to covid).

from 2020-2023 in USA there were less than 9,000 deaths for anyone under the age of 29 TWENTY NINE! out of a total of 623,000 attributed to covid.

Less than 1,500 if under the age of 17.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

But hey, the WHO just voted to give North Korea's dictator a spot on it's executive board for all the good health care he provides to his nation.  

Congrats Kim!  You've worked so hard to get accepted and join up with like minded peoples!

[h90]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Protection from what? What is the current global daily death rate for children under one directly caused by covid-19 Omicron strains and did they have severe comorbitities?

57,136,843 Births this year and it's about 3-5 more every second. https://www.worldometers.info/

How many of these are at definite risk from contracting and dying from Omicron. The number must be absolutely miniscule yet all children under the age of one should get jabbed. WHY?

 

The WHY is a good question.....I hope it is only for the money

[h90]

2 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

Wow.  I guess if they will sit there and tell you a man can give birth with a straight face, saying kids are in danger of covid is an easy horror-porn to spin.

Kids are practically bulletproof to covid...and should be builidng a natural antibodies to it for when they get to their 60s (when 87% of all deaths start occurring "due" to covid).

from 2020-2023 in USA there were less than 9,000 deaths for anyone under the age of 29 TWENTY NINE! out of a total of 623,000 attributed to covid.

Less than 1,500 if under the age of 17.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

But hey, the WHO just voted to give North Korea's dictator a spot on it's executive board for all the good health care he provides to his nation.  

Congrats Kim!  You've worked so hard to get accepted and join up with like minded peoples!

Do you have a link for the Kim thing? I read that Russia has problems with diplomats as NK is still or again complete closed because of the fear of Covid or any other virus/bioweapon. But I couldn't find much information and don't know if it is true or not....One source reports that NK delivers ammunition to Russia, the other source says that the border is complete locked down...that is contradicting each other

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

But hey, the WHO just voted to give North Korea's dictator a spot on it's executive board for all the good health care he provides to his nation.  

Congrats Kim!  You've worked so hard to get accepted and join up with like minded peoples!

 

It's a North Korean public health official.... not Kim.

 

"The North Korean Ministry of Public Health's Dr. Jong Min Pak has been seated on the WHO's executive board with a term set to last until 2026."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-congratulates-kim-jong-un-north-korean-election-who-executive-board

 

[ozimoron]

25 minutes ago, Dart12 said:

Wow.  I guess if they will sit there and tell you a man can give birth with a straight face, saying kids are in danger of covid is an easy horror-porn to spin.

Kids are practically bulletproof to covid...and should be builidng a natural antibodies to it for when they get to their 60s (when 87% of all deaths start occurring "due" to covid).

from 2020-2023 in USA there were less than 9,000 deaths for anyone under the age of 29 TWENTY NINE! out of a total of 623,000 attributed to covid.

Less than 1,500 if under the age of 17.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

But hey, the WHO just voted to give North Korea's dictator a spot on it's executive board for all the good health care he provides to his nation.  

Congrats Kim!  You've worked so hard to get accepted and join up with like minded peoples!

4 year old data? desperate much?

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Money is definitely *a* factor

Yes, funerals and ICU care aren't cheap.

[dinsdale]

Interesting how when facts, logic and just pure common sense are posted, these posts are not responded to by the minority on here that continue to support this alarmist nonsense.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting how when facts, logic and just pure common sense are posted, these posts are not responded to by the minority on here that continue to support this alarmist nonsense.

Where are your facts? I posted mine.

 

The UK govt is telling lies but you're telling the truth?

Edited June 5, 2023 by ozimoron

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

WHO data appears to show about 91 officially reported COVID deaths for youngsters below 5 years of age since the start of 2023 -- a number about 4 times the comparable number for the age group 5-9.

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

Of course, deaths aren't the only COVID outcome to be concerned about. Hospitalizations and potential ongoing health complications also belong on the list.

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

The same graphic above also shows officially reported COVID infections in the age group under 5 outnumbering infections in the age 5-9 age group.

 

 

[stoner]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

It's a North Korean public health official.... not Kim.

well that makes it so much better...

[cmsally]

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's a North Korean public health official.... not Kim.

 

"The North Korean Ministry of Public Health's Dr. Jong Min Pak has been seated on the WHO's executive board with a term set to last until 2026."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-congratulates-kim-jong-un-north-korean-election-who-executive-board

 

If having a North Korean official on the WHO executive board doesn't set off the alarm bells I don't know what will.

[dinsdale]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

WHO data appears to show about 91 officially reported COVID deaths for youngsters below 5 years of age since the start of 2023 -- a number about 4 times the comparable number for the age group 5-9.

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

Of course, deaths aren't the only COVID outcome to be concerned about. Hospitalizations and potential ongoing health complications also belong on the list.

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

The same graphic above also shows officially reported COVID infections in the age group under 5 outnumbering infections in the age 5-9 age group.

 

 

57,152,754Births this year globaly so far.  https://www.worldometers.info/ As I said this is increasing about 3 per second so the numbers you show are in all reality very, very miniscule. The data also does not state if comorbidities were present. Nevertheless this data does not support wholesale vaccination for under 12 month old babies.

[onthedarkside]

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[dinsdale]

Jab your baby and then get them boosted every six months? Who knows. Coverage for these mRNA jabs are not for life like most vaccinations are. These are also very new vaccines so no real long term data. Vaccine injury is now a real thing. Would you get your newborn jabbed and why?

[sungod]

The UK is not advising vaccination for healthy children, just those in a clinical risk group.

 

 

[MrJ2U]

For all the calls for vaccinations there seems to be a void in availability in many parts of Issan.

 

COVID is raging up here with many kids having to be admitted to the hospital. 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Vaccine injury is now a real thing.

More than 13 billion COVID vaccine doses have been administered worldwide since the end of 2020....

 

The U.S. CDC has recorded something like 9 confirmed COVID-vaccine related fatalities. The UK has recorded 50+, mainly because of the AZ vaccines that have largely been halted in favor of mRNA....and were never used in the U.S.

 

Serious health outcomes confirmed to be related to COVID vaccinations are exceedingly rare, and vastly outnumbered by the risk of COVID illness related complications. That's the collective judgment of the WHO, CDC and pretty much every other major public health organization.

 

13 January 2023

 

"...research about England by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) published in February 2022 says: “Estimates suggest that 127,500 deaths and 24,144,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the Covid-19 vaccination programme, up to 24 September.”"

 

"The British Heart Foundation said last month that the evidence shows “the benefits of receiving the Covid-19 vaccine greatly outweigh the risk of extremely rare side effects for the vast majority of people”.

 

https://fullfact.org/health/bbc-malhotra-vaccines-excess-deaths/

 

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[cmsally]

Based on my own experience alone, I can say that it would be absolute madness to vaccinate babies. The medical establishment seems very interested when people are suffering from Covid but drops you like a hot potato when you have an adverse effect to the vaccine.

How about some full disclosure - how much are doctors and hospitals  being paid to administer these vaccines?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Report: COVID-19 vaccines saved US $1.15 trillion, 3 million lives

December 14, 2022

 

"

A Commonwealth Fund study estimates that, through November 2022, COVID-19 vaccines prevented more than 18.5 million US hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths and saved the country $1.15 trillion.

 

The modeling study estimated hospitalizations and deaths averted through the end of November 2022, at a time when 80% of the US population had received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine."

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/report-covid-19-vaccines-saved-us-115-trillion-3-million-lives

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, cmsally said:

Based on my own experience alone, I can say that it would be absolute madness to vaccinate babies. The medical establishment seems very interested when people are suffering from Covid but drops you like a hot potato when you have an adverse effect to the vaccine.

How about some full disclosure - how much are doctors and hospitals  being paid to administer these vaccines?

Whats wrong with additional funding to administer vaccines because of a health concern when it means that extra resources are needed in the hospitals to do this?

[brewsterbudgen]

12 minutes ago, cmsally said:

Based on my own experience alone, I can say that it would be absolute madness to vaccinate babies. The medical establishment seems very interested when people are suffering from Covid but drops you like a hot potato when you have an adverse effect to the vaccine.

How about some full disclosure - how much are doctors and hospitals  being paid to administer these vaccines?

I agree.  My 8-year-old has never had the Covid vaccine and no one has convinced me he should!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whats wrong with additional funding to administer vaccines because of a health concern when it means that extra resources are needed in the hospitals to do this?

 

Not to mention, the vast majority of COVID vaccinations done here in Thailand are done thru government-run or sponsored vaccination centers.

 

I think I've had 7 shots since the beginning of the pandemic, and never once been injected by a doctor or been seen by a doctor for that purpose.

 

It's just more conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[cmsally]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whats wrong with additional funding to administer vaccines because of a health concern when it means that extra resources are needed in the hospitals to do this?

It provides an incentive to administer as many as possible with very little due diligence.

[CharlieH]

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[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, cmsally said:

If having a North Korean official on the WHO executive board doesn't set off the alarm bells I don't know what will.

... A Russian perhaps. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, cmsally said:

It provides an incentive to administer as many as possible with very little due diligence.

So they should work overtime for nothing then. 

[MrJ2U]

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not to mention, the vast majority of COVID vaccinations done here in Thailand are done thru government-run vaccination centers.

 

I think I've had 7 shots since the beginning of the pandemic, and never once been injected by a doctor or been seen by a doctor for that purpose.

 

It's just more conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

 

Doctors rarely administer vaccines.  If one needs a complete check-up with a doctor you need to make an appointment. 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by MrJ2U