In reality, Thailand is not the LGBTQ+ paradise like it pretends to be

[Jingthing]

TNT gets it!

 

Start at 13:40.

 

He correctly disses reactionary critics of the Pride parades as the Pride parades are a key vehicle to promote the civil rights that Thai LBGTQ people are lacking.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

14 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't think there is anything unnatural about homosexuality.  It's been with us throughout our history.  I've never had issues with gays.  As long as they didn't try to force themselves on me.  Again, live and let live.  But mutilating one's body to become trans has nothing to do with homosexuality.  It's due to an identity crisis.  I've heard some homosexuals are angry because they feel that the LGBQT+ movement has co-opted their movement and tied it in with theirs.  Some are not happy about it.

No groups are monoliths!

None!

Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

There are always debates and disagreements wherever there are people of any kind involved.

As I was around during the early stages of the post Stonewall Gay Liberation movement I remember years of controversy about exactly how to include lesbians in the movement. Many lesbians wanted to be totally separate and no doubt many still do.

So this coalition grew organically over many years and controversy never goes away and never will.

LGBTQ don't have a democratic government on whether to include this group or that group.

I suppose there is a sort of consensus that a coalition of sexual orientation and or gender identity related minority groups is better just because of greater numbers so politicians might pay more attention because more votes are at stake. 

 

My personal opinion is that it would be very crappy to drop this or that specific group just because they are being more scapegoated than the other groups in some countries. 

 

Transgender people and drag queens even more so considering the origin story of the Stonewall Riots.

 

They won't be dropped unless they overwhelmingly choose to be dropped which they won't.

 

There is one exception that I'm aware of.

 

In the early years  of the movement a pro pedo group was allowed to participate in parades. There really weren't any filters. Any group could march. Obviously they should never have been allowed.

 

They were kicked out and I'm sure that there was overwhelming support for that!

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Jingthing

[sharksy]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:30 AM, n00dle said:

see, 50 bargirls is my idea of hell. 

 

Go to a Gay venue then.  That would be my idea of hell

[sharksy]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:51 AM, Jingthing said:

So are hetero cisgender kids bullied for being hetero cisgender?

At least you admit queer kids are bullied here.

Refreshing in the face of so much denial. 

To be honest, everyone gets bullied or singled out just for being out of the "ordinary".  Pretty girls at school get bullied for being pretty, I got bullied for being small and very thin.

I recently got bullied by a huge 6ft6 gay guy, just because he didn't agree with a point I made in conversation regarding politics.  Sure he wouldn't have if I was a similar size.

We have all got to be accepted that most of us are outside of the "normal" range somewhere in life, and accept that we will be bullied or laughed at.

[sharksy]

On 6/12/2023 at 11:13 AM, Neeranam said:

I think many straight men, including me, have had a fear about being gay or bisexual, especially when young, due to what society taught us. You'll know more than me but I think every males is bisexual to some degree. 

I recently met an old friend, after 30 years. He came out 29 years ago, aged 28 and it was interesting hearing his story. Also sad, he went through a lot, not wanting to come out as he was ashamed and scared of what his friends would say. He was a guy who was incredibly good looking and got all the girls. Lovely to rekindle that friendship. 

 

I think differently about LGBQT to gay. I don't think they should be lumped together.

With respect, I've never fancied another man, I am not bisexual to any degree, but I do recognise there is a scale - I'm just at the far (straight) extreme of it.

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In reality, Thailand is not the LGBTQ+ paradise like it pretends to be

[Hummin]

Anyone experienced a Bang Fai festival? Anyone see the simularities to a pride festival? The concept is not new, and not that far apart when it comes to apperance and also how they play out the sexuality in the festival. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyone experienced a Bang Fai festival? Anyone see the simularities to a pride festival? The concept is not new, and not that far apart when it comes to apperance and also how they play out the sexuality in the festival. 

 

 

No never been, but then I've also never been to the Phi Ta Khon Festival. I would have thought that's even more graphic than any Pride event in Thailand but its a cultural thing.

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sharksy said:

To be honest, everyone gets bullied or singled out just for being out of the "ordinary".  Pretty girls at school get bullied for being pretty, I got bullied for being small and very thin.

I recently got bullied by a huge 6ft6 gay guy, just because he didn't agree with a point I made in conversation regarding politics.  Sure he wouldn't have if I was a similar size.

We have all got to be accepted that most of us are outside of the "normal" range somewhere in life, and accept that we will be bullied or laughed at.

False equivalences.

 

I don't believe many pretty girls are committing suicide because of being bullied for being pretty.

 

On the other hand this is really a thing:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/health/lgbtq-bullying-suicides/index.html

 

Many LGTBQ youth who die by suicide are bullied before their death, study finds

 

A new study looking at hundreds of LGBTQ youth who died by suicide finds that many were bullied before their death, adding to a growing body of evidence showing how bullying can result in deadly consequences.

 

The study found that death records of LGBTQ youth who died by suicide were about five times more likely to mention bullying compared to records of non-LGBTQ youth.

Younger children appeared to be at greatest risk. Two-thirds of LGBTQ children age 10 to 13 who died by suicide, for example, were bullied before their death.

 

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I think gay martyr Harvey Milk speaks to this:

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by Jingthing

[n00dle]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Many LGTBQ youth who die by suicide are bullied before their death, study finds

did the study look into straight suicides? 

[n00dle]

23 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The study found that death records of LGBTQ youth who died by suicide were about five times more likely to mention bullying compared to records of non-LGBTQ youth.

that makes no sense. they were unlikely to metion any thing at all.

I find it amusing you metion harvey milk. After all his effort Im not entirely sure if he would appreciate where we ended up today. 
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[Scott]

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[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, n00dle said:

that makes no sense. they were unlikely to metion any thing at all.

I find it amusing you metion harvey milk. After all his effort Im not entirely sure if he would appreciate where we ended up today. 
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I have no idea what you're suggesting but I reject the absurd concept that you know what Harvey Milk would think.

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[Dazkkk]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:33 AM, Hakuna Matata said:

We do not want Thailand to become an LGBTQ+ paradise!

 

????

Who’s we? Just how many people do you speak for? 2or 3 or 100,000. Who voted you to speak for anyone but yourself.

 I’m interested to know. ????

[glegolo18]

20 hours ago, Dazkkk said:

Who’s we? Just how many people do you speak for? 2or 3 or 100,000. Who voted you to speak for anyone but yourself.

 I’m interested to know. ????

There is loads of people who agree with this, so take it down plse....

Plse no political correctness....

[Hummin]

On 6/12/2023 at 8:33 AM, Hakuna Matata said:

We do not want Thailand to become an LGBTQ+ paradise!

 

????

Thailand should be a paradise for anyone who respect thailand and its culture. Many, or maybe better to say, to many foreigners do not.