In reality, Thailand is not the LGBTQ+ paradise like it pretends to be

[mrfill]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Gay marriage is not allowed in Thailand. 

But you just said it was miles ahead of the west. Marriage or civil partnerships are fairly common in the west.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You know, it's one thing posting homophobic rants.

It's another level posting homophobic rants and then denying it.

And quite another labeling something as homophobic and then being unable to define one single thing that was homophobic.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Baht Simpson said:

Thank you. You've demonstrated exactly why Pride is still needed. Hard - earned equality can be lost with views like these.

"equality", that stupid word again.

 

Why is it so difficult to understand for some people that chromosome xy is not chromosome xx?

Obviously some people can pretend to be the opposite of what they are. But that doesn't mean that is reality.

As far as I am concerned you can identify as anything you want. But please don't try to tell children that your world view is correct. It's your view. You can think the world is flat or it is a globe. But please don't tell children the world is flat. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Almost all. Yet you can't name one. 

 

Interesting. It's almost as if you've got nothing.

Do you know the meaning of ALL?

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They?

The safest pronoun to use when unsure. 

 

Just trying to be polite.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

What is LGBT "paradise" anyway?

 

Somewhere where children under 16 can have body parts removed because they think they might like to be the opposite gender?

 

Somewhere where people are arrested/pilloried for using the pronoun for someone's biological sex because the individual they are referring to wishes to be another gender?

 

Somewhere where men can wear a dress and then use the women's toilets/changing rooms? Or go to women's prisons?

 

Somewhere where we have pride days every week/month so the LBGT community can flaunt their sexuality by dancing erotically while half naked in the streets?

 

Because if that's "paradise", maybe Thailand is better off as it is?

My two cents.

First one. Sounds inappropriate. I googled it and it said ' Genital reassignment surgery should be reserved for those 18 and older, according to guidelines for the medical care of transgender patients developed by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, or WPATH. Sounds more reasonable. Up to the individual once an adult. 

Second one: Agree if it's happening. Not aware of it happening. Should not be forced into accepting gender fluidity but it doesn't hurt to be polite if possible and not make a big deal of it. And be open minded that it could be a thing maybe. Not heard of people being arrested and probably even being pilloried is rare except online. 

Third one: Toilets is a bit tricky but I think it can be agreed it is not a major issue of concern e.g. no evidence of attacks.

Trans woman in a woman's jail only in my opinion with strong evidence e.g. clear long term evidence of living as a woman. Strict guidelines. 

Fourth one:  Normally parades are once a year. A bit ho hum for me but if it upsets you fair enough.

You can believe in rights and at the same time agree that they'll always be difficult issues at the edges that need scrutiny without attributing such issues to the community as a whole. 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Do you know the meaning of ALL?

Name one.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Almost all. Yet you can't name one. 

 

Interesting. It's almost as if you've got nothing.

They have their "Pride" and believe that because they are, whatever pronoun or initial is in vouge at this moment, that the rest of us must always agree and never criticise them otherwise we are homophobic!

 

PS;  I am waiting for the next new word/phrase/sentence to replace that word!

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They?

Isn't that a required pronoun?

[scottiejohn]

4 hours ago, bignok said:

Gay marriage is not allowed in Thailand. 

Neither is prostitution!

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Isn't that a required pronoun?

 

For what?

The problem is that I no longer know what a plural word means when "describing" (or is it classifying?) an individual  now.

What is happening to the English language?

Edited June 12, 2023 by scottiejohn

[scottiejohn]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

As far as I am concerned you can identify as anything you want. But please don't try to tell children that your world view is correct. It's your view. You can think the world is flat or it is a globe. But please don't tell children the world is flat. 

Well said sir!

 

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

My two cents.

First one. Sounds inappropriate. I googled it and it said ' Genital reassignment surgery should be reserved for those 18 and older, according to guidelines for the medical care of transgender patients developed by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, or WPATH. Sounds more reasonable. Up to the individual once an adult. 

Second one: Agree if it's happening. Not aware of it happening. Should not be forced into accepting gender fluidity but it doesn't hurt to be polite if possible and not make a big deal of it. And be open minded that it could be a thing maybe. Not heard of people being arrested and probably even being pilloried is rare except online. 

Third one: Toilets is a bit tricky but I think it can be agreed it is not a major issue of concern e.g. no evidence of attacks.

Trans woman in a woman's jail only in my opinion with strong evidence e.g. clear long term evidence of living as a woman. Strict guidelines. 

Fourth one:  Normally parades are once a year. A bit ho hum for me but if it upsets you fair enough.

You can believe in rights and at the same time agree that they'll always be difficult issues at the edges that need scrutiny without attributing such issues to the community as a whole. 

Thanks for the sensible response. It's a welcome change from the lazy insults from other less thoughtful posters.

 

So it would appear that LGBT paradise is difficult to define. Which was clearly the point I was making.

 

Others would disagree with you and want more or less rights on each point. An interesting debate on what the end goal of the LGBT "community" actually wants (if such a community really exists, but that's another debate).

 

 

Douglas Murray for example is a gay man who would probably not want the rights I suggested others might and certainly wouldn't call it paradise. Now, there's one gay man I could really get behind (if you'll excuse the pun).

[PingRoundTheWorld]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

(well, at least there’s hope for our democratic system right now)

Is there? So far there is no government, no clear path to forming a government, and doubts about Pita's ability to serve as PM...

[CharlieKo]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Lies lies lies. Turn off the magadonian hate media!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-bill-would-punish-parents-misgendering-their-own-children

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Thanks for the sensible response. It's a welcome change from the lazy insults from other less thoughtful posters.

 

So it would appear that LGBT paradise is difficult to define. Which was clearly the point I was making.

 

Others would disagree with you and want more or less rights on each point. An interesting debate on what the end goal of the LGBT "community" actually wants (if such a community really exists, but that's another debate).

 

 

Douglas Murray for example is a gay man who would probably not want the rights I suggested others might and certainly wouldn't call it paradise. Now, there's one gay man I could really get behind (if you'll excuse the pun).

Roy Cohn, Trump's mentor, one of the biggest villians ever, was a gay man too.

Murray is a far right wing extremist and Fox "News" contributor.

Of course you like him.

It's hilarious how the right wing gloms onto certain token minorities that spew reactionary garbage such as Candace Owens.

Cynical game. 

[n00dle]

In reality, neither Thailand, nor anywhere else is any sort of paradise

[giddyup]

22 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

 

For what?

The problem is that I no longer know what a plural word means when "describing" (or is it classifying?) an individual  now.

What is happening to the English language?

I just ignore that nonsense and will never cater to it.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, n00dle said:

In reality, neither Thailand, nor anywhere else is any sort of paradise

That's true.

But the headline wasn't literal.

[bignok]

How about finding solutions for the poor, the sick, the mentally ill. Driver training, better job skills 

 

I'm sick of hearing about gays, Trump etc. Same old stories.

[scottiejohn]

3 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I just ignore that nonsense and will never cater to it.

I totally agree with you but unfortunately you come across people who are intent on using meaningless words and phrases and get upset when you ask what are they talking about.

[OneMoreFarang]

6 minutes ago, n00dle said:

In reality, neither Thailand, nor anywhere else is any sort of paradise

I think 50 pretty girls on stage in a gogo bar is already near to paradise.

Adding any people from that multi letter groups doesn't make the situation any better.

[n00dle]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

I think 50 pretty girls on stage in a gogo bar is already near to paradise.

Adding any people from that multi letter groups doesn't make the situation any better.

see, 50 bargirls is my idea of hell. 

 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, bignok said:

How about finding solutions for the poor, the sick, the mentally ill. Driver training, better job skills 

 

I'm sick of hearing about gays, Trump etc. Same old stories.

Such causes are not mutually exclusive.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2023 by Jingthing

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, n00dle said:

see, 50 bargirls is my idea of hell. 

Are you part of that LBGTQ+/- group? 

[ikke1959]

50 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Define accepted. Or here's an easier question. How are gays not accepted in Thailand?

As long as the director of my school ask at P 4,5,6 kids if the are gay ( in Thai Tut), and the kids are ashamed and deny it, it is not accepted. Watch the movie Beautiful Boxer... Being not hetero is not "normal" in Thailand,, Speak with gay youth if you like to know.. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, ikke1959 said:

As long as the director of my school ask at P 4,5,6 kids if the are gay ( in Thai Tut), and the kids are ashamed and deny it, it is not accepted. Watch the movie Beautiful Boxer... Being not hetero is not "normal" in Thailand,, Speak with gay youth if you like to know.. 

There is bullying, yes?

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe you celebrate it. Many of us don't do that.

 

LBGTQ+/- whatever can live just like everybody else. Walk on the streets, go shopping, go to restaurants and bars, enjoy life. What is it that these LBGTQ+/- whatever cannot do?

 

It seems the main problem is in their perception. If you think all the time that you are suppressed than don't be surprised that you feel suppressed. Just live your life, don't take everything around you too serious, and all will be fine. 

Im not sure if it is same now as before, but ladyboys could not attend some nightclubs in Patong. 

 

However have three ladyboys in family, one in school age who is completely accepted both by family and in school, as well one lady working for an international company, and one for a beauty company travelling among the shops in the chain and making campain stands. From what I have learned they have every possible option to succeed in life as anyone else, and they all grew up in a village in Isaan. 

[ikke1959]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

But would still be legally binding in a civil court, depending what is actually in your 'documents'.

 

In TH, except for private hospital offered from employment, everyone is already, if wanting, on the universal healthcare plan, so not like one needs you partner's health bennies.   Along with Soc Sec, the pittance that is given in TH, wouldn't be missed if you didn't even get your own.

 

Are there really that many rights that come with marriage, especially in TH. 

 

Any other rights, employment, education, whether on the books or not, are easily ignored, unless you filed a suit for discrimination, and that's worldwide.

We have made contracts with eachother and yes it solves a lot of problems, but surely not the same as a legal . and lawful  Marriage or registered partnership

[Jingthing]

Just now, bignok said:

If everyone was gay the species dies out without medical help.

Are you seriously concerned that everyone will be gay? Does being gay sound that attractive?