"I think it is a rigged deal here, we have a rigged country, we have a country that is corrupt."

[Walker88]

Since most every aspect of this crime has been covered, I want to look forward to the trial itself.

 

Don't forget, as a defeated candidate and thus ex-POTUS, trump had no more right to any of those docs as putin. ex-POTUS have no security clearance. Thus, all trump was after 12:01pm on 20 January 2021 was a country club owner.

 

Any witness the defense produces, I would love to ask them these questions:

 

1) Do you think maybe ALL country club owners in the US should have detailed plans on US nukes, the vulnerabilities of US defenses, the strengths and weaknesses of allies and adversaries military, battle plans for an attack of Iran, and the identities of clandestine assets who might be in putin's inner circle or a deep penetration of al Qaeda?

 

2) Since you buy trump's claim he declassified everything, would you agree it's time to publish every single document so that everyone from putin to Xi to the mullahs in Iran to the heads of al Qaeda and ISIS can be brought up to speed on all US capabilities, vulnerabilities and intelligence penetrations close to them?

 

[Pink Mist]

A post using copyrighted material has been reported and removed

 

27. You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Only post a link, the headline and three sentences from the article. Content in the public domain is limited to the same restriction

[Tidal wave]

Looks like its on the up when you lock him up I would say .

[Lacessit]

18 minutes ago, riclag said:

The problem the left had initially was and is ,they mostly never accepted him as the 45 th POTUS.

(Not deserving any rights and freedoms of the office) imop

This in 2016 was furthered by the Washington establishments  , (politicians,fbi and some in the media) by attempting to delegitimize Trump and everyone in his sphere) imop

Unfortunately for the American people like myself , we gotten delegitimized and defeated out of our vote for a Trump America policy by the establishment ever since!imop

Be nice to see a election by the citizens  of my country without any 

interference by the Washington establishment ! Imop

“The Establishment has been best understood as the primary source of power in a society, the implicit organization to which all politically minded people long to join but few will confess to being a member”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/what-is-the-establishment-now-213565/

81 million votes to 74 million says you are wrong in your assertion.

IIRC, Fox just had to shell out more than $700 million to avoid being taken to trial over false claims of voting machine rigging. They would not be doing that if your claims had a shred of substance. Unless you think 81 million voters were part of the "Establishment".

If you guys are crazy enough to elect a soon to be convicted felon to be President, you'll get everything you deserve.

In Australia, we are not that stupid.

[jerrymahoney]

10 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Since most every aspect of this crime has been covered, I want to look forward to the trial itself.

 

Don't forget, as a defeated candidate and thus ex-POTUS, trump had no more right to any of those docs as putin. ex-POTUS have no security clearance. Thus, all trump was after 12:01pm on 20 January 2021 was a country club owner.

 

Any witness the defense produces, I would love to ask them these questions:

 

1) Do you think maybe ALL country club owners in the US should have detailed plans on US nukes, the vulnerabilities of US defenses, the strengths and weaknesses of allies and adversaries military, battle plans for an attack of Iran, and the identities of clandestine assets who might be in putin's inner circle or a deep penetration of al Qaeda?

 

2) Since you buy trump's claim he declassified everything, would you agree it's time to publish every single document so that everyone from putin to Xi to the mullahs in Iran to the heads of al Qaeda and ISIS can be brought up to speed on all US capabilities, vulnerabilities and intelligence penetrations close to them?

 

The issue may not be the nuts & bolts of the case but procedural issues -- the Corcoran Washington grand jury testimony may not be allowed and the "slam dunk" audio tape may not be so slam dunk after all.

[Pink Mist]

An off-topic post has been removed 

[jerrymahoney]

46 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If you guys are crazy enough to elect a soon to be convicted felon to be President, you'll get everything you deserve.

When I soundly went to sleep the evening of NOV 8, 2016 Thai time, the New York Times polling was saying 90% chance of Hillary Clinton winning the Presidency.  A big topic was what would be the proper titles for President H. Clinton and her spouse Bill post-election.

 

When I woke the next morning Thai time, the NY Times was saying 90% chance Donald Trump will win the Presidency.

 

So regardless of the probabilities, could this happen again? Yes.

[chalawaan]

It speaks to the rigidity of the MAGA mind that Democrats are now "The Left".

 

And anyone not on board with DeSantis' Nazi era book-burning schtick is "woke".

 

Just lazy buzzwords they all jump on as if these define the rest of the world that's not on the hayride to hell with them.

 

There are plenty people on "the left" who would absolutely see Biden stand trial, if the evidence was there to support it.

 

There's not one single person on the opposite side of "the left" who is not willing to throw every judge and law enforcement officer (these people are hardly pinko lefties!) under the bus in order to preserve the fantasy that the entire justice system in America is on a witch hunt. 

 

It's got so crazy in that camp that Russia is good, and the FBI are bad.

 

Is there anyone sane enough on here to unpack this for me without parroting the usual trashy talking points?

 

I am asking what's going on in your head that Putin is cool and the FBI are Satan? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The problem the left had initially was and is ,they mostly never accepted him as the 45 th POTUS.

(Not deserving any rights and freedoms of the office) imop

This in 2016 was furthered by the Washington establishments  , (politicians,fbi and some in the media) by attempting to delegitimize Trump and everyone in his sphere) imop

Unfortunately for the American people like myself , we gotten delegitimized and defeated out of our vote for a Trump America policy by the establishment ever since!imop

Be nice to see a election by the citizens  of my country without any 

interference by the Washington establishment ! Imop

“The Establishment has been best understood as the primary source of power in a society, the implicit organization to which all politically minded people long to join but few will confess to being a member”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/what-is-the-establishment-now-213565/

I beg to differ most folks accept whom is elected president trumps problem was and still is that he’s so obviously unsuited for the job .he also did grevious damage to the country and the world for that matter.Mr trump did HIS best rig the election his own sielf then spread the corrupt lie that the election was stolen from him a 100% corrupt lie .mr trump is more of a troll than a president the very definition of a swamp creature heck dident he have to shut down his charity cause it was a rip off or how corrupt was trump university ?yea rite the dude is the poster boy for rigging stuff geese!

[ozimoron]

Maybe politicians are best suited to the job of President after all. Entertainers just don't cut it.

[Walker88]

His cult will be the same whether trump lives or dies, is jailed or allowed to remain free. Worshiping such a flawed person won't correct for their personal shortcomings and lack of success in life. He can't deliver what nature and an impish Universe did not hand out to them. They seem to carry a sense of entitlement that they deserve more than their mediocre skills and (lack of) talent can bring them in a free and competitive capitalist society. trump gave them 'others' to blame for their own failures, and they are slow to give that up. Blacks, immigrants, women, Moslems, the 'woke', 'the radical left'....trump dished out all the excuses a loser might need to feel victimized. Taking an honest look at themselves and accepting fault for failure doesn't seem to be something they are capable of doing. trump was their last hope to salvage what has been a meaningless existence. In the end, however, Darwin wins.

[bamnutsak]

Other persons charged and sentenced for mishandling classified documents, during the Trump presidency...

 

 

Former NSA Employee Sentenced to Prison for Willful Retention of Classified National Defense Information

 

Nghia Hoang Pho, 68, of Ellicott City, Maryland, and a naturalized U.S. citizen originally of Vietnam, was sentenced today to 66 months in prison, to be followed by three years of supervised release, for willful retention of classified national defense information.  According to court documents, Pho removed massive troves of highly classified national defense information without authorization and kept it at his home.

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-nsa-employee-sentenced-prison-willful-retention-classified-national-defense

 

 

Federal Government Contractor Sentenced for Removing and Transmitting Classified Materials to a News Outlet

Reality Winner, 26, of Augusta, Georgia, was sentenced today to five years and three months in prison for removing classified national defense material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet.  Winner was arrested by the FBI at her home in Augusta, on June 3, 2017.  The parties filed a plea agreement on June 21, in which Winner agreed to plead guilty to the one-count indictment charging her with unlawful retention and transmission of national defense information.  The parties agreed that a sentence of imprisonment for 63 months followed by a three-year term of supervised release is the appropriate disposition of the case.  The Court accepted the plea agreement at sentencing.

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-government-contractor-sentenced-removing-and-transmitting-classified-materials-news

 

 

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

To a post just above, this from April 2016:

 

Trump overwhelmingly leads rivals in support from less educated Americans
Apr 3, 2016 6:52 PM EDT

(Professor) Cramer explains, “These are folks who have been feeling a real struggle to make ends meet for decades now and they see a candidate coming along who says to them, ‘You’re right. You’re not getting your fair share. It sucks. And I’m going to stand up for you.'”

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans

 

 I will just add, simply put, for decades there was blue collar manual work at good union wages for those with only high school level.

 

Enter Trump.

Edited June 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

To a post just above, this from April 2016:

 

Trump overwhelmingly leads rivals in support from less educated Americans
Apr 3, 2016 6:52 PM EDT

(Professor) Cramer explains, “These are folks who have been feeling a real struggle to make ends meet for decades now and they see a candidate coming along who says to them, ‘You’re right. You’re not getting your fair share. It sucks. And I’m going to stand up for you.'”

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans

 

 I will just add, simply put, for decades there was blue collar manual work at good union wages for those with only high school level.

 

Enter Trump.

Rampant union busting by Republicans destroyed the blue collar work dream. Having busted the unions, corporations were then free to move those jobs to China. Unfortunately the education deficit prevents those most affected from seeing it.

 

The obvious solution is better education but the right wing resist efforts to educated the masses as well. Educated people tend to vote liberal.

Edited June 14, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

BS. That's just plain WRONG. Everyone accepted him as POTUS, unlike the right which has not accepted that Joe Biden won the 2020 election.

 

You're confusing criticism with acceptance.

 

And the bulk of your post is just you complaining about further criticism, with a bit of conspiracy theory thrown in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Calling him "illegitimate" and refusing to attend his inauguration is hardly criticism. It is petulance at best, and refusal to accept the election result at worst.

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

They seem to carry a sense of entitlement that they deserve more than their mediocre skills and (lack of) talent can bring them in a free and competitive capitalist society.

Amazed that you think that's wrong!

The people that make our societies work deserve a little in return.

But as it is the people that contribute nothing (entertainment, sports, lawyers, et al) take the most.

 

And would point out most of the job losses in the west went to societies that aren't either free or competitive. China and Vietnam make almost everything these days.

 

I'm with Karl on this, those that do all the manufacturing/construction/infrastructure/food production work should reap the rewards of their labour.

 

Trump may be a con man, but at least he pretends to represent the common man.

Unlike the crooked globalist candidates.

Edited June 14, 2023 by BritManToo

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

When I soundly went to sleep the evening of NOV 8, 2016 Thai time, the New York Times polling was saying 90% chance of Hillary Clinton winning the Presidency.  A big topic was what would be the proper titles for President H. Clinton and her spouse Bill post-election.

 

When I woke the next morning Thai time, the NY Times was saying 90% chance Donald Trump will win the Presidency.

 

So regardless of the probabilities, could this happen again? Yes.

And you got a President that gave you one of the highest COVID death rates in the world. Plus no leader of any democracy had any trust in him. Putin and the fat boy played him like a harp.

If Americans want that kind of leadership again, the plot is irretrievably lost.

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Calling him "illegitimate" and refusing to attend his inauguration is hardly criticism. It is petulance at best, and refusal to accept the election result at worst.

Unamerican.

[jerrymahoney]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

And you got a President that gave you one of the highest COVID death rates in the world. Plus no leader of any democracy had any trust in him. Putin and the fat boy played him like a harp.

If Americans want that kind of leadership again, the plot is irretrievably lost.

 

Americans get to vote. I voted against Trump twice. 

 

Because of Patriot Act implications, I may not be voting ever again.

Edited June 14, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Calling him "illegitimate" and refusing to attend his inauguration is hardly criticism. It is petulance at best, and refusal to accept the election result at worst.

It is called being a child crying over spilt milk, and equivalent to throwing a tantrum in the store when the toy they want is not bought.  For him to believe the country is rigged or corrupt shows the same poor ability to look at thinks from a intellectual perspective.  I wonder if Trump could even tell you about the 3 branches of the US government and what each one does.  I also wonder if he understands what the 14th Amendment is, or if his followers understand the same.

[jerrymahoney]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Rampant union busting by Republicans destroyed the blue collar work dream. Having busted the unions, corporations were then free to move those jobs to China. Unfortunately the education deficit prevents those most affected from seeing it.

 

The obvious solution is better education but the right wing resist efforts to educated the masses as well. Educated people tend to vote liberal.

The people who in the main supported Trump don't care who busted the unions. They just want someone to tell them you got screwed and I'm gonna do somethin' about it.

[Hanaguma]

It IS possible for two things to be true at the same time.

 

It is true that, if the charges against Trump are proven, he should be punished and possibly jailed. Doesn't matter what happened or didn't happen to anyone else.

 

It is also true that other politicians who are accused of similar crimes should also face similar investigations and possible consequences. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

It IS possible for two things to be true at the same time.

 

It is true that, if the charges against Trump are proven, he should be punished and possibly jailed. Doesn't matter what happened or didn't happen to anyone else.

 

It is also true that other politicians who are accused of similar crimes should also face similar investigations and possible consequences. 

It is but they didn't No equivalence and that's why they didn't.

 

Look for Trump to make a plea deal to stay out of jail or get a minimal sentence.

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Unamerican.

I agree. The petulant Democrats and their supporters who refused to acknowledge Trump's election WERE acting Unamerican.  

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, ozimoron said:

It is but they didn't No equivalence and that's why they didn't.

 

Look for Trump to make a plea deal to stay out of jail or get a minimal sentence.

Remember he refuses to accept he is wrong, and it will need to be explained to him that accepting a plea deal also removes him from being in office ever again under the 14th amendment.

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I also wonder if he understands what the 14th Amendment is, or if his followers understand the same.

I have posted the 14th Amendment Disqualification clause. In brief:

 

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding "any office" if they participate in an "insurrection or rebellion" against the United States.

 

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment14/annotation15.html

 

Not general purpose felony conviction.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Amazed that you think that's wrong!

The people that make our societies work deserve a little in return.

But as it is the people that contribute nothing (entertainment, sports, lawyers, et al) take the most.

 

And would point out most of the job losses in the west went to societies that aren't either free or competitive.

China and Vietnam make almost everything these days.

 

I'm with Karl on this, those that do all the manufacturing/infrastructure/food production work should reap the rewards of their labour.

 

Trump may be a con man, but at least he pretends to represent the common man.

Unlike the crooked globalist candidates.

The significant word is "pretends".

If one looks at the ancestry of the "common man" in America, it's a wide-ranging mix of genes.

The failure of supply chains during COVID has caused a retreat from globalisation.

I don't disagree lawyers and accountants are overly compensated, one doesn't have to look at entertainers if they choose not to. IMO the medical profession earns its keep.

Trump, Johnson, Morrison in Australia. All con men. AFAIK the latter two were not treating national secrets like party pictures/trophies.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I agree. The petulant Democrats and their supporters who refused to acknowledge Trump's election WERE acting Unamerican.  

I missed the Democrat riots and invasion of the Capitol.

[henry2109]

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I agree. It is just too hard a sale for conservatives to accept a non-President can smash classified records on a hard drive with a HAMMER to destroy and it's totally fine, a non-President can store classified docs in what is essentially a crackhouse rented by national security nightmare Hunter Biden and again, it's fine. But don't let them catch a real President having some in a heavily guarded estate.

Sorry, not buying it. Looks like a 2 tier justice system.

When I started reading your post, I thought it is satirical. But you seem to mean it.

 

What worries me most is not that a carrier criminal can get to the highest ranked political position, but that so many people/voters fall for his lies and still stay in the cult, despite an overwelming amount of prove who this man is.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I agree. The petulant Democrats and their supporters who refused to acknowledge Trump's election WERE acting Unamerican.  

Do you have a link to verify your point of the Democrats refusing to achknowledge his 2016 win?  I find the statement made is false

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/24/jody-hice/did-democrats-refuse-acknowledge-trumps-2016-victo/

 

In fact, Democrats began acknowledging Trump’s electoral-vote victory in 2016 within hours after it became clear. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who won the popular vote, called Trump on election night to congratulate him and offered to work with him. She also urged her supporters to accept the results and "look to the future."