Hunter Biden investigation 'integrity' undermined if just half of IRS whistleblowers' claims are true: Turley

[riclag]

4 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Key question:  Did Hunter Biden invoke his father’s name in pressuring the CCP to pay up?  Or was the Big Guy really at his side?  Biden’s seem like a very close-knit, loving family.  If acting alone—Hunter receives another slap on the wrist.  If his daddy was there—the Biden ship goes down.

Your question,Was Vp biden there ?

 

Irs supervisor Shapley truthful testimony: He said they denied his team .

 

“So then we said well,lets get the location data for the messages and if there co-located, then we’re on better ground here,right?

Mr. Shapley: And they no we’re not going to do that”.

 

page 163 of the first transcript 

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by riclag

[BenStark]

43 minutes ago, riclag said:

Your question,Was Vp biden there ?

 

Irs supervisor Shapley truthful testimony: He said they denied his team .

 

“So then we said well,lets get the location data for the messages and if there co-located, then we’re on better ground here,right?

Mr. Shapley: And they no we’re not going to do that”.

 

page 163 of the first transcript 

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

 

That is a lot of you got nothing ????????????

[riclag]

4 hours ago, BenStark said:

That is a lot of you got nothing ????????????

Really!  Stay tuned!

In the 21st paragraph of a story detailing the "competing accounts" of Attorney General Merrick Garland and the IRS whistleblower, Glenn Thrush and Michael S. Schmidt note that they have "independently" verified the whistleblower's claim that David Weiss, the U.S. attorney responsible for overseeing the first son's criminal case, was blocked from bringing charges against Hunter Biden in California.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/new-york-times-confirms-prosecutor-blocked-charging-hunter-biden-in-california

 

A similar request to prosecutors in the Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles, was also rejected, Shapley testified. A second former IRS official, who has not been identified, told House Republicans the same story. That episode was confirmed independently to The New York Times by a person with knowledge of the situation.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/competing-accounts-of-justice-dept-s-handling-of-hunter-biden-case/

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyt-confirms-irs-whistleblower-claim-hunter-biden-probe-buries-21st-paragraph-report

 

https://nypost.com/2023/06/28/irs-whistleblower-testimony-on-hunter-confirmed-by-new-york-times/

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

Your question,Was Vp biden there ?

 

Irs supervisor Shapley truthful testimony: He said they denied his team .

 

“So then we said well,lets get the location data for the messages and if there co-located, then we’re on better ground here,right?

Mr. Shapley: And they no we’re not going to do that”.

 

page 163 of the first transcript 

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

 

why would the DOJ stop agent Shapley from checking the GPS location of biden sr's phone? It looks like they were intentionally sabotaging his case, and fits with the pattern we have seen for many years now of incredible efforts to shield biden from justice - such as the 50 top intel experts misleading letter and the FBI warning social media about something big about to drop which is disinfo(it wasn't).

 The right would say they stopped Shapley from checking the GPS because they knew it would prove biden was there as Hunter said. What excuse do the left have for this act of apparent sabotage? Any valid excuses for this?

 Looking forward to seeing who was lying. Garland or Weiss. Bring it on!!!

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4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

why would the DOJ stop agent Shapley from checking the GPS location of biden sr's phone? It looks like they were intentionally sabotaging his case, and fits with the pattern we have seen for many years now of incredible efforts to shield biden from justice - such as the 50 top intel experts misleading letter and the FBI warning social media about something big about to drop which is disinfo(it wasn't).

 The right would say they stopped Shapley from checking the GPS because they knew it would prove biden was there as Hunter said. What excuse do the left have for this act of apparent sabotage? Any valid excuses for this?

 Looking forward to seeing who was lying. Garland or Weiss. Bring it on!!!

First of all, your contentions all depend on believing that the allegations of Shapley are true. Yet, for some reason, Shapley refuses to testify before the Senate Finance Committee which is run by Democrats. This hardly seems like the behavior of someone who has nothing to hide.

kAnd even if it was proved that Biden was in the same location as his son, it would not prove that he had any knowledge of the communication. 

And your repeated attempts to characterize that letter signed by 50 intelligence agents as disinformation has been rebutted time and time again as well as the nonsense about an FBI warning being some kind of disinformation attempt. What don't you understand about the fact that William Barr appointed John Durham in order to prove that there was some kind of plotting against Trump going on in the Justice Dept? What don't you understand about the fact the Durham came up with nothing?

[SunnyinBangrak]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

your repeated attempts to characterize that letter signed by 50 intelligence agents as disinformation has been rebutted time and time again

"In an October 18, 2020, email obtained by The Post, Michael Morell asks his fellow spooks, including former CIA Directors John Brennan, Leon Panetta and Mike Hayden, to sign the letter, explaining that he and former CIA agent Marc Polymeropoulos had “drafted the attached because we believe the Russians were involved in some way in the Hunter Biden email issue and because we think Trump will attack Biden on the issue at this week’s debate and we want to give the VP a talking point to use in response.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/ex-cia-chief-michael-morell-misled-signers-of-hunter-biden-spy-letter-by-saying-hed-clear-it-with-agency?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
 

I don't care how many times laptop deniers try claiming the letter was genuine and sincere and that his laptop was russian disinfo and a big hoax by repubs to smear biden. Because it wasn't a genuine letter by our top 50 intel experts after they did their research, it was political. So many peoples and media outlets credibity been shattered due to signing on to this misinfo campaign and not coming clean once they were rumbled.

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2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"In an October 18, 2020, email obtained by The Post, Michael Morell asks his fellow spooks, including former CIA Directors John Brennan, Leon Panetta and Mike Hayden, to sign the letter, explaining that he and former CIA agent Marc Polymeropoulos had “drafted the attached because we believe the Russians were involved in some way in the Hunter Biden email issue and because we think Trump will attack Biden on the issue at this week’s debate and we want to give the VP a talking point to use in response.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/ex-cia-chief-michael-morell-misled-signers-of-hunter-biden-spy-letter-by-saying-hed-clear-it-with-agency?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
 

I don't care how many times laptop deniers try claiming the letter was genuine and sincere and that his laptop was russian disinfo and a big hoax by repubs to smear biden. Because it wasn't a genuine letter by our top 50 intel experts after they did their research, it was political. So many peoples and media outlets credibity been shattered due to signing on to this misinfo campaign and not coming clean once they were rumbled.

I guess the proof to back up your claim  that  "it wasn't a genuine letter by our top 50 intel experts after they did their research, it was political." must have dropped out of your post. Or maybe you think that repeating an assertion over and over again makes it true. In fact, as has been pointed out, there were plenty of reason to suspect the laptop. One was the timing. Shortly before an election. The second was that there was no independent vetting of the data before it was published by the NY Post. As I've pointed out to you many times, the experienced journalist assigned to write up the article refused to do so precisely on those grounds. There is also the fact the Giuliani refused to share the metadata with the news media. 

You've got no answer to these facts so instead you just resort to repeating your beliefs without anything to back them up.

[SunnyinBangrak]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I guess the proof to back up your claim  that  "it wasn't a genuine letter by our top 50 intel experts after they did their research, it was political." must have dropped out of your post.

Nope. As my post said..

 

"because we think Trump will attack Biden on the issue at this week’s debate and we want to give the VP a talking point to use in response.”

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Nope. As my post said..

 

"because we think Trump will attack Biden on the issue at this week’s debate and we want to give the VP a talking point to use in response.”

 

 

That is not proof that these people were lying. They just wanted to get it on their belief on the record so Biden could use it against what they saw as disinformation.

Edited June 29, 2023 by placeholder

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11 hours ago, riclag said:

Your question,Was Vp biden there ?

 

Irs supervisor Shapley truthful testimony: He said they denied his team .

 

“So then we said well,lets get the location data for the messages and if there co-located, then we’re on better ground here,right?

Mr. Shapley: And they no we’re not going to do that”.

 

page 163 of the first transcript 

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

 

Thanks for letting us know that Shapley's was truthful. Can you share with us your methodology for determining this?

[BenStark]

7 hours ago, riclag said:

11 hours ago, BenStark said:

That is a lot of you got nothing ????????????

Really!  Stay tuned!

Maybe something get lost in translation, but I'm supporting your posts.

 

The you got nothing brigade has been desperately clamping at straws to discredit the whistleblowers.

 

In their mind only democrats speak the truth and everyone else lies, but as far as I can notice from the evidence that keeps popping up every day, there is only 1 big liar involved, and he's sitting in the WH.

 

And then they dare even to ask why Shapley refuse to waste his time appearing for a committee run by the devil himself

[SunnyinBangrak]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for letting us know that Shapley's was truthful. Can you share with us your methodology for determining this?

Well one side is lying. It is a stretch to claim SIX witnesses are lying. More likely 1 person is.

 

"The federal prosecutor tasked with investigating Hunter Biden told at least six witnesses last year that he lacked authority to charge the first son outside Delaware and was denied special counsel status, according to an IRS whistleblower — and now the House Judiciary Committee wants to talk to them.

Delaware US Attorney David Weiss made the shocking disclosure at an Oct. 7, 2022, meeting with top IRS and FBI officials — contradicting sworn testimony from Attorney General Merrick Garland,."

https://nypost.com/2023/06/26/prosecutor-told-six-he-could-not-charge-hunter-biden-outside-del/

[candide]

40 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"In an October 18, 2020, email obtained by The Post, Michael Morell asks his fellow spooks, including former CIA Directors John Brennan, Leon Panetta and Mike Hayden, to sign the letter, explaining that he and former CIA agent Marc Polymeropoulos had “drafted the attached because we believe the Russians were involved in some way in the Hunter Biden email issue and because we think Trump will attack Biden on the issue at this week’s debate and we want to give the VP a talking point to use in response.”

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/ex-cia-chief-michael-morell-misled-signers-of-hunter-biden-spy-letter-by-saying-hed-clear-it-with-agency?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
 

I don't care how many times laptop deniers try claiming the letter was genuine and sincere and that his laptop was russian disinfo and a big hoax by repubs to smear biden. Because it wasn't a genuine letter by our top 50 intel experts after they did their research, it was political. So many peoples and media outlets credibity been shattered due to signing on to this misinfo campaign and not coming clean once they were rumbled.

And Giuliani himself is responsible, because he refused to give a copy of the laptop to other media than the NYPost.

It had all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation: an extravagant story, given by Giuliani (known for getting information from Russian operatives such as Derkach), information only given to the right-wing NYPost, and the memory of Russian interference on 2016. Who could believe it?

 

And some of the intelligence experts believed that Trump would use this alleged Russian disinformation, as he did before (ex the server is in Ukraine), and that they should react about it! What a wild idea! ????

[ozimoron]

Is there still legal action going on or are we just waiting for Jordan's apoplexy to subside?

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On 6/29/2023 at 11:37 AM, BenStark said:

Maybe something get lost in translation, but I'm supporting your posts.

 

The you got nothing brigade has been desperately clamping at straws to discredit the whistleblowers.

 

In their mind only democrats speak the truth and everyone else lies, but as far as I can notice from the evidence that keeps popping up every day, there is only 1 big liar involved, and he's sitting in the WH.

 

And then they dare even to ask why Shapley refuse to waste his time appearing for a committee run by the devil himself

What better way to show the Democrats have nothing than for Shapley to appear before the Senate finance Committee? Unless of course his testimony is so weak that it needs coddling by the Republicans in the House.

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U.S. attorney defends Hunter Biden probe amid GOP accusations

Washington — David Weiss, the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney in Delaware who recently brought criminal charges against Hunter Biden, has spoken out for the first time since reaching a plea deal with the president's son. In a letter sent Friday to House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan, Weiss pushed back against claims that the investigation was impeded. 

Weiss' letter was written in response to a June 22 correspondence from House Republicans in which they asked for material related to accusations made by IRS agents on the Hunter Biden case who alleged in Congressional testimony that there were irregularities in the investigation and certain retaliatory measures were taken against them. 

"As the U.S. Attorney for the District of Delaware, my charging authority is geographically limited to my home district...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-weiss-u-s-attorney-defends-hunter-biden-probe-amid-gop-accusations/

 

...If venue for a case lies elsewhere, common Departmental practice is to contact the United States Attorney’s Office for the district in question and determine whether it wants to partner on the case. If not, I may request Special Attorney status from the Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 515. Here, I have been assured that, if necessary after the above process, I would be granted § 515 Authority in the District of Columbia, the Central District of California, or any other district where charges could be brought in this matter.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-attorney-leading-hunter-biden-probe-breaks-silence-claims-investigation-influenced-by-politics

[SunnyinBangrak]

The corruption just keeps on getting worse. At what point will there be broad bipartisan agreement that the entire investigation into the biden's corruption is fatally flawed?

 

"EXCLUSIVE: 'This calls into question the integrity of their investigation.' Sen. Ron Johnson slams Hunter Biden probe as it's revealed prosecutor who signed off on 'sweetheart' tax deal previously worked for First Son's business partner"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12243305/Hunter-Biden-prosecutor-previously-worked-alongside-sons-business-partner.html

 

 Stunning that they still think they can get away with this. The midterms changed EVEYTHING. They so nearly did get away with this.

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The corruption just keeps on getting worse. At what point will there be broad bipartisan agreement that the entire investigation into the biden's corruption is fatally flawed?

 

"EXCLUSIVE: 'This calls into question the integrity of their investigation.' Sen. Ron Johnson slams Hunter Biden probe as it's revealed prosecutor who signed off on 'sweetheart' tax deal previously worked for First Son's business partner"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12243305/Hunter-Biden-prosecutor-previously-worked-alongside-sons-business-partner.html

 

 Stunning that they still think they can get away with this. The midterms changed EVEYTHING. They so nearly did get away with this.

From you source:

 

"Hines's LinkedIn says he worked as 'Special Counsel' for the ex-FBI director at his company Freeh Group in New Orleans, Louisiana, between August 2013 and February 2015. It is unclear what projects he counseled Freeh on."

"It wasn't until 2016 that Hunter started working with Freeh consulting for Popoviciu."

 

That doesn't strike me as being nearly as big a conflict as Trump being tried by a judge he nominated when he was President.

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On 6/28/2023 at 11:29 PM, riclag said:

Your question,Was Vp biden there ?

 

Irs supervisor Shapley truthful testimony: He said they denied his team .

 

“So then we said well,lets get the location data for the messages and if there co-located, then we’re on better ground here,right?

Mr. Shapley: And they no we’re not going to do that”.

 

page 163 of the first transcript 

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

 

The answer to the question was VP Biden there is it really simple one. No VP Biden was not there because Biden was no longer VP.

[pomchop]

So of course Weiss who actually is in charge of the investigation basically says that there were zero attempts to limit him from charging and on and one...but what would he know as he is only the trump appointed AG who biden could have removed when he took office but said NO...he stays in place and had complete authority to carry on the investigation into bidens son and charge any crimes he finds..

 

.so if donnie jr were being investigated by an obama appointed AG what are the odds that trump would have just said keep on with your investigation and not replace him with a lackey?  ZERO

 

Shame that doesn't fit into all the right wing conspiracy theories 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/01/us/weiss-hunter-biden-letter.html

[SunnyinBangrak]

34 minutes ago, pomchop said:

So of course Weiss who actually is in charge of the investigation basically says that there were zero attempts to limit him from charging and on and one...but what would he know as he is only the trump appointed AG who biden could have removed when he took office but said NO...he stays in place and had complete authority to carry on the investigation into bidens son and charge any crimes he finds..

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/01/us/weiss-hunter-biden-letter.html

"Weiss admits that he did not have the power to charge in the districts where Hunter allegedly evaded taxes and that the only way to override the refusals of the Biden-appointed US attorneys in Washington, DC, and the Central District of California to charge Hunter was with special powers granted by Attorney General Merrick Garland that he did not have."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/02/blowing-the-lid-off-the-coverup-of-hunter-bidens-cushy-plea-deal?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp

 

This contradicts Garlands sworn testimony. I believe lying under oath is a crime?

 

Off topic comments about donnie jr snipped.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Weiss admits that he did not have the power to charge in the districts where Hunter allegedly evaded taxes and that the only way to override the refusals of the Biden-appointed US attorneys in Washington, DC, and the Central District of California to charge Hunter was with special powers granted by Attorney General Merrick Garland that he did not have."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/02/blowing-the-lid-off-the-coverup-of-hunter-bidens-cushy-plea-deal?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp

 

This contradicts Garlands sworn testimony. I believe lying under oath is a crime?

 

Off topic comments about donnie jr snipped.

From your source:

 

"...I (Weiss) may request Special Attorney status from the Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 515. Here I have been assured that, if necessary, I would be granted § 515 Authority in the District of Columbia, the Central District of California, or any other district.”

 

Weiss chose not to request the Special Attorney status, which he was assured he would have been granted and which would have allowed him to overrule the two US attorneys.

 

Apparently the Trump appointed AG didn't feel the case against Hunter in those two jurisdictions was strong enough to justify the effort or warrant the embarrassment if he overruled the two and then came up empty.

 

Of course the NY Post tries to make the situation seem as sinister as possible, but once again it's another nothing burger.

Edited July 4, 2023 by heybruce

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Weiss admits that he did not have the power to charge in the districts where Hunter allegedly evaded taxes and that the only way to override the refusals of the Biden-appointed US attorneys in Washington, DC, and the Central District of California to charge Hunter was with special powers granted by Attorney General Merrick Garland that he did not have."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/02/blowing-the-lid-off-the-coverup-of-hunter-bidens-cushy-plea-deal?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp

 

This contradicts Garlands sworn testimony. I believe lying under oath is a crime?

 

Off topic comments about donnie jr snipped.

Read the entire article and you will see that he himself did indeed write a letter saying he  had the power to charge in any jurisdiction as Garland had already told him he could have special powers and all he had to do was request....

 

"...I (Weiss) may request Special Attorney status from the Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 515. Here I have been assured that, if necessary, I would be granted § 515 Authority in the District of Columbia, the Central District of California, or any other district.”

 

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5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Weiss admits that he did not have the power to charge in the districts where Hunter allegedly evaded taxes and that the only way to override the refusals of the Biden-appointed US attorneys in Washington, DC, and the Central District of California to charge Hunter was with special powers granted by Attorney General Merrick Garland that he did not have."

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/02/blowing-the-lid-off-the-coverup-of-hunter-bidens-cushy-plea-deal?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp

 

This contradicts Garlands sworn testimony. I believe lying under oath is a crime?

 

Off topic comments about donnie jr snipped.

The only person who's telling untruths here is you. Garland testified that he Weiss never asked him for special powers. Weiss confirms this. Stop making things up.

[SunnyinBangrak]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The only person who's telling untruths here is you. Garland testified that he Weiss never asked him for special powers. Weiss confirms this. Stop making things up.

Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you, but there is no need to falsely accuse me of making things up.

 Looks like Garland and Weiss have been playing word games and semantics. Luckily for us, Shapley is not. He is a straight shooter with witness corroboration and receipts. Tick tock...

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1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you, but there is no need to falsely accuse me of making things up.

 Looks like Garland and Weiss have been playing word games and semantics. Luckily for us, Shapley is not. He is a straight shooter with witness corroboration and receipts. Tick tock...

"Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you"

It's an obvious ploy when a falsehood of theirs is exposed, to try and deflect by making it personal. Send my your mind-reading credentials that allow you to diagnose my emotional state. Until then, stop making things up about what I feel or don't.

What exactly are the word games and semantics that Garland and Weiss are engaged in?

And if Shapley is such a straight shooter why did he renege on his agreement to appear before the Senate Finance Committee? Is he a sensitive wallflower who can only bear to be questioned by a committee chaired by Republicans?

[pomchop]

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you, but there is no need to falsely accuse me of making things up.

 Looks like Garland and Weiss have been playing word games and semantics. Luckily for us, Shapley is not. He is a straight shooter with witness corroboration and receipts. Tick tock...

So is clarence thomas some kind of role model for you?...another "straight shooter" for the right?

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14 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you, but there is no need to falsely accuse me of making things up.

 Looks like Garland and Weiss have been playing word games and semantics. Luckily for us, Shapley is not. He is a straight shooter with witness corroboration and receipts. Tick tock...

A straight shooter who needs his arm held by a committee headed by Republicans to fire his gun.

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry the content of my posted link upsets you, but there is no need to falsely accuse me of making things up.

 Looks like Garland and Weiss have been playing word games and semantics. Luckily for us, Shapley is not. He is a straight shooter with witness corroboration and receipts. Tick tock...

What word games and semantics?  What did they say that was unclear to you?

[Bkk Brian]

Ooooops, well this is awkward for the GOP, one of their main whistleblowers has just been charged with being a Chinese Spy. Only yesterday Comer was saying how credible he was. Back to the drawing board then.....lol

 

Republicans’ Key ‘Whistleblower’ Indicted For ‘Working to Advance the Interests Of China’

The whistleblower Republicans said would expose the alleged corruption of President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden has been indicted on eight counts.

Gal Luft, who is the co-director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security think tank in Washington, D.C., was indicted in the U.S. Southern District of New York. The indictment was unsealed on Monday.

Luft was initially arrested in Cyprus in February before skipping bail and going on the lam. He remains a fugitive.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/republicans-key-whistleblower-indicted-for-working-to-advance-the-interests-of-china/

 

U.S. Attorney Announces Charges Against Co-Director Of Think Tank For Acting As An Unregistered Foreign Agent, Trafficking In Arms, Violating U.S. Sanctions Against Iran, And Making False Statements To Federal Agents

Gal Luft, a Dual U.S.-Israeli Citizen, Allegedly Evaded FARA Registration While Working to Advance the Interests of China in the United States and Sought to Broker the Illicit Sales of Chinese-Manufactured Weapons and Iranian Oil to China

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-charges-against-co-director-think-tank-acting-unregistered

Edited July 11, 2023 by Bkk Brian