New glimpses into 2020 election interference probe suggest peril could be growing for Trump and his associates

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Revelations that special counsel Jack Smith has been digging into efforts to overturn former President Donald Trump’s Arizona election loss in 2020 bolster growing indications that his investigation is nearing a critical point.

New CNN reporting on Thursday also suggests that Smith remains interested in a chaotic Oval Office meeting days before Trump left office during which the former president considered some of the wildest schemes dreamed up to try to keep him in power, despite pushback from his White House counsel.

 

Smith has already made Trump the first former president to be formally accused of federal crimes. Trump was charged last month with the willful retention of national defense information and over alleged obstruction of the investigation in connection with a trove of classified documents he kept at his Florida home after leaving office.

 

But a flurry of details about Smith’s inquiries into alleged election-stealing efforts suggest his investigators have had an industrious summer. On Wednesday evening, for instance, Rusty Bowers – the Republican former Arizona House speaker who once said it was “foreign to my very being” to submit to Trump’s bid to subvert the Constitution – said publicly for the first time on CNN that he had spoken to the FBI.

 

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[sirineou]

Not surprise there. 

Why anyone would support this man is beyond me. Just to hear him talk it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that he is a snake oil salesman. Sure he might support some or all of your "issues" but he can not be the only one who would, and the best person to pursue your agenda. 

He is a poisoned vesel, anything you put in it, regardless of how good, will be corrupted. 

So the birther (remember that?) got elected by default (Hillary managed to lose ) .

Consequently he got  a pretty good gig that he used to enrich himself and family .and no surprise he did not want to give it up. Jack Smith is not stupid, he knows what happened, his reputation, legacy and place in history is on the line. He is a bulldog and he now has his jaws securely clinched on trump's ass. 

He was not interviewing rudy for over 8 hours under a proffer agreement because he liked his company. 

[onthedarkside]

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[Scott]

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[Tug]

Better late than never all of trumps (transgressions) should have been indicted last year he should do time just like the rubes who believed him.personally I will never understand how so called patriots could for an instant support a draft dodging POW insulting New York City trust fund baby with the evidence of his transgressions so plainly visible beggers belief 

[rudi49jr]

The MAGA crowd will have none of it, though. Trump (and all his sycophants) says it’s a witch hunt, so it’s a witch hunt. They live in another universe, with their own reality and truth. I watch a lot of interviews with those Trump loving MAGA folks, and it’s really frightening and shocking what they say, and what their beliefs and opinions are. 

[animalmagic]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Better late than never all of trumps (transgressions) should have been indicted last year he should do time just like the rubes who believed him.personally I will never understand how so called patriots could for an instant support a draft dodging POW insulting New York City trust fund baby with the evidence of his transgressions so plainly visible beggers belief 

Last year would have been nice, but the continuing investigative process and disclosures of further wrongdoing serves an excellent purpose in helping to educate those on the fence and willing to listen to reason; and identifying the depth and breadth of the corrupt associates and their actions. 

I think Trump 20..24 is best viewed as a sentencing guideline rather than an election slogan.

[Skeptic7]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

so called patriots

Trump and his imbecile cult followers are "fake-triots". They stand for and support most things UN-American. 

[rudi49jr]

45 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Trump and his imbecile cult followers are "fake-triots". They stand for and support most things UN-American. 

They stand for and support most things UN-American. But the thing is that they are 100% convinced that what they believe and do is in the interest of democracy and the constitution, that they are true patriots and that only they can save America from the damage that ‘the radical left’ is doing to their ‘once great nation’. Of course they are completely wrong, not to mention delusional. 

[Purdey]

Just wish the lawyers would get on with it.

 

Continuous discussion of what they may or may not have is stretching it out - which is what Trump wants. 

[Elkski]

Real big shocker to learn so many Americans can think like this.  I would think it gives con artists and salespeople and Nigerian scammers great confidence.  

[ozimoron]

If only Republicans would open their eyes to the truth. They seem incapable of dealing with it. They accuse the left of having Trump delusion but that's just projection. The opposite is the case.

[ozimoron]

Somehow this is the kind of president about 35% of the population want.

 

Reacting to a claim by a former Department of Homeland Security official that Donald Trump shared secret documents related to the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi with reporters, former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade suggested special counsel Jack Smith has one more charge he can use to bolster his case against the former president under the Espionage Act.
 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-secret-documents/

 

 

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

You really have no idea what Marxist means, do you? And since when are Democrats ‘radical left’? That’s hilarious. You’re just parroting Trump and all those idiot Republican lawmakers who don’t know their @ss from their elbow. Americans have been taught for a long time that Marxism and socialism are evil, so right wing politicians and pundits just use those terms every chance they get to frighten people.

And Trump loved the country? Don’t make me laugh. The only things that Trump loves is Trump himself, and money (which means power). What he also loves is saying how great he is, or other people telling him how great he is. As long as you do that, he is your best friend. But say one bad thing about Trump, either real or perceived, and the thin-skinned man child will be your mortal enemy until the end of time.

They're obsessed with labels to denigrate people they don't like. Many of those epithets they don't even understand. It's a just a convenient buzz word.  Like woke.

[Pink Mist]

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[bendejo]

17 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

But the thing is that they are 100% convinced that what they believe and do is in the interest of democracy and the constitution, that they are true patriots and that only they can save America from the damage that ‘the radical left’ is doing to their ‘once great nation’. Of course they are completely wrong, not to mention delusional. 

I think for a lot it would take more humility than they could muster to admit this guy had them taken in all along.  They buy whatever he says, check your brains at the door.  No turning back.  Pelosi is a far-left radical.  Joe is a communist.  De Santis says all that censorship if for freedom.  DT's whining about persecution and indictment, can't any of these people see just how pathetic and wimpy his act is? 

Anyone remember when they had Saddam on trial, and when they were asking one of his people about things he did, Saddam stood up and interrupted the court, saying, in effect, "whatever he did was because I told him to it, same with everyone else!"  Rarely do you hear politicians and corporate execs take such responsibility.  How are these macho guys in their oversized pickups and gun supporting bumper stickers letting themselves be led by a this clown?

 

[sirineou]

Have a look of what this guy has to say about the subject. If that's not spot on, I don't know what is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoXRfFlss0&t=316s

[animalmagic]

19 hours ago, ozimoron said:

They're obsessed with labels to denigrate people they don't like. Many of those epithets they don't even understand. It's a just a convenient buzz word.  Like woke.

They call people names in order to dehumanise them and make them easier to hate and abuse.  You can see the result of this in the extreme with the Nazi death camps where everyday people with families carried out some of the most inhumane acts on other humans.  A result of many years of vile propaganda identifying jews, homosexuals, gypsies and others as untermensch that were not worthy of compassion or respect.  Those guards were then later described as monsters in order that 'normal' people could distance themselves from the 'monstrous' actions of their fellow humans   Even now the MAGA types first resort is to call a person or group by a name in order to make it easier for their followers to hate and abuse them.

Sadly, we never seem to learn.

Christopher Browning describes it well in his book - 

Ordinary Men is the true story of Reserve Police Battalion 101 of the German Order Police, which was responsible for mass shootings as well as roundups of Jewish people for deportation to Nazi death camps in Poland in 1942. Browning argues that most of the men of RPB 101 were not fanatical Nazis but ordinary middle-aged, working-class men who committed these atrocities out of a mixture of motives, including the group dynamics of conformity, deference to authority, role adaptation, and the altering of moral norms to justify their actions. Very quickly three groups emerged within the battalion: a core of eager killers, a plurality who carried out their duties reliably but without initiative, and a small minority who evaded participation in the acts of killing without diminishing the murderous efficiency of the battalion whatsoever.

While the book discusses a specific reserve unit during World War II, the general argument Browning makes is that most people are susceptible to the pressure of a group setting and committing actions they would never do of their own volition.

[candide]

1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

They call people names in order to dehumanise them and make them easier to hate and abuse.  You can see the result of this in the extreme with the Nazi death camps where everyday people with families carried out some of the most inhumane acts on other humans.  A result of many years of vile propaganda identifying jews, homosexuals, gypsies and others as untermensch that were not worthy of compassion or respect.  Those guards were then later described as monsters in order that 'normal' people could distance themselves from the 'monstrous' actions of their fellow humans   Even now the MAGA types first resort is to call a person or group by a name in order to make it easier for their followers to hate and abuse them.

Sadly, we never seem to learn.

Christopher Browning describes it well in his book - 

Ordinary Men is the true story of Reserve Police Battalion 101 of the German Order Police, which was responsible for mass shootings as well as roundups of Jewish people for deportation to Nazi death camps in Poland in 1942. Browning argues that most of the men of RPB 101 were not fanatical Nazis but ordinary middle-aged, working-class men who committed these atrocities out of a mixture of motives, including the group dynamics of conformity, deference to authority, role adaptation, and the altering of moral norms to justify their actions. Very quickly three groups emerged within the battalion: a core of eager killers, a plurality who carried out their duties reliably but without initiative, and a small minority who evaded participation in the acts of killing without diminishing the murderous efficiency of the battalion whatsoever.

While the book discusses a specific reserve unit during World War II, the general argument Browning makes is that most people are susceptible to the pressure of a group setting and committing actions they would never do of their own volition.

Calling names us also a shortcut which avoids having to think.

[rudi49jr]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Calling names us also a shortcut which avoids having to think.

Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe, Ron de sanctimonious, the failed NYT, the radical left, and so on and so forth.