‘Decency and dignity’: Multiple carefully crafted Biden narratives fall apart as 2024 race heats up

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Really, that's the best you've got?    "B-b-but Trump...."?

 

Trump never campaigned as a solid, family man type. And thank God for that. Nor on his decency. Ditto. He was what he was- all his flaws and moral failings were clear to anyone with eyes to see.  People knew what they were getting when they voted for him in terms of decency and dignity (the topic of this discussion).

 

Now how about Biden? Were his character flaws and immorality clear to the public? Or  did he try to hide them under his BS image as 'lunchbucket Joe from Scranton'?  The hypocrisy is the problem.  

If you've got anything to impugn Biden's character, out with it. THe reason people are trying to impugn his decency is to deflect from the absolute moral wastelend opposing him.

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If you've got anything to impugn Biden's character, out with it. THe reason people are trying to impugn his decency is to deflect from the absolute moral wastelend opposing him.

My pleasure. Here, for your reading enjoyment:

 

1. He lied about the man who was in the tragic accident that killed his first wife and daughter, calling him a drunk

2. He lied repeatedly and often about his academic pedigree when he first ran for president.

3. He lies about his son's death.

4. He lied about his upbringing.

5. He is a plagiarist, which ultimately derailed his first presidential campaign.

6. He lies about his grand-daughter Navy.

7. He lied about his son's business activities and what he knew of them.

8. He, like Trump, dodged the draft and avoided service in Viet Nam.

9. He is infamous for his inappropriate touching around women and girls. Did it again in Finland last week, being weird around a frightened toddler.

10. He has made numerous racist comments about minorities in America.

 

ETA  Oh, and the very premise of his 2020 presidential run was a lie. He claimed that Trump was praising white supremacists at Charlottesville during the unrest there. It was untrue and never happened.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Hanaguma

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

My pleasure. Here, for your reading enjoyment:

 

1. He lied about the man who was in the tragic accident that killed his first wife and daughter, calling him a drunk

2. He lied repeatedly and often about his academic pedigree when he first ran for president.

3. He lies about his son's death.

4. He lied about his upbringing.

5. He is a plagiarist, which ultimately derailed his first presidential campaign.

6. He lies about his grand-daughter Navy.

7. He lied about his son's business activities and what he knew of them.

8. He, like Trump, dodged the draft and avoided service in Viet Nam.

9. He is infamous for his inappropriate touching around women and girls. Did it again in Finland last week, being weird around a frightened toddler.

10. He has made numerous racist comments about minorities in America.

 

 

Apart from the false claim that Biden dodged the draft and your false characterization of Biden's behavior around children as sexual, where's the "moral failings" and "indecency"?

 

p.s. The navy rejected Biden on medical grounds. Trump got medical support for a false claim that he had bone spurs.

Edited July 16, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

27 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Apart from the false claim that Biden dodged the draft and your false characterization of Biden's behavior around children as sexual, where's the "moral failings" and "indecency"?

 

p.s. The navy rejected Biden on medical grounds. Trump got medical support for a false claim that he had bone spurs.

Like many young men of their generation (Clinton and Cheney also), Biden and Trump both used student deferrals as long as they could to avoid getting drafted. Once their student deferrals ran out, both used spurious medical grounds to stay undraftable- Biden for asthma as a teen and Trump for bone spurs. 

 

Joe is very 'handsy' around both women and young girls. There are too many examples to mention. I didn't say it was sexual, but it IS inappropriate and not dignified (to say the least). 

 

Plagiarism is a moral failing. So is lying to embellish your accomplishments and to slander an innocent person. Rude remarks about racialized Americans are both indecent and a moral failing. Hinging your presidential campaign on a debunked meme is indecent and also rather shallow. Bullying and cursing at your staff is undignified and embarrassing. 

 

Need I go on? Feel free to defend Joe on any of the 10 points I brought up, particularly in light of his public persona. 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Like many young men of their generation (Clinton and Cheney also), Biden and Trump both used student deferrals as long as they could to avoid getting drafted. Once their student deferrals ran out, both used spurious medical grounds to stay undraftable- Biden for asthma as a teen and Trump for bone spurs. 

 

Joe is very 'handsy' around both women and young girls. There are too many examples to mention. I didn't say it was sexual, but it IS inappropriate and not dignified (to say the least). 

 

Plagiarism is a moral failing. So is lying to embellish your accomplishments and to slander an innocent person. Rude remarks about racialized Americans are both indecent and a moral failing. Hinging your presidential campaign on a debunked meme is indecent and also rather shallow. Bullying and cursing at your staff is undignified and embarrassing. 

 

Need I go on? Feel free to defend Joe on any of the 10 points I brought up, particularly in light of his public persona. 

Asthma wasn't spurious. You missed the main point. Biden was rejected by the navy. He wasn't seeking deferment based on asthma. The bone spurs never existed, they don't just go away.

 

You've reduced the charge of his behavior around children from immoral to inappropriate and undignified?

Edited July 16, 2023 by ozimoron

[Hanaguma]

35 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Asthma wasn't spurious. You missed the main point. Biden was rejected by the navy. He wasn't seeking deferment based on asthma. The bone spurs never existed, they don't just go away.

 

You've reduced the charge of his behavior around children from immoral to inappropriate and undignified?

Biden took 5 draft deferments as a student, Trump took 4. Makes both men look cowardly. Both were then classed as 1-Y 'unfit for service except in national emergency' in medical exams. Both seemed rather fit and sporty young men before that too....

 

How would YOU class Biden's behavior around women and children? Enough of the word games.

 

Now as you did not address any of Biden's other moral failings, I guess we can assume that you agree that they are just that?

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Biden took 5 draft deferments as a student, Trump took 4. Makes both men look cowardly. Both were then classed as 1-Y 'unfit for service except in national emergency' in medical exams. Both seemed rather fit and sporty young men before that too....

 

How would YOU class Biden's behavior around women and children? Enough of the word games.

 

Now as you did not address any of Biden's other moral failings, I guess we can assume that you agree that they are just that?

I don't consider Biden's behavior around children to be inappropriate. Did he suggest somewhere that he wouldn't mind dating his daughter?

 

I don't consider the rest of the items in your list to have a moral attribute or are insignificant to the point of trivial especially given the timeline.

Edited July 16, 2023 by ozimoron

[billd766]

On 7/12/2023 at 2:03 PM, HappyExpat57 said:

As soon as I see that NOT-news tag, I stop reading, including the comments. The same sh!t from the same people. We've lost the ability for cogent debate, it merely devolves into a mud-slinging contest from both sides.

I scroll down the page until I see who published it.

 

If it says "Fox News" I simply go to the next post and ignore it.

 

"Fox News" is like "Truth Social" for the MAGA and their supporters here on ANN.

 

It is totally biased against President Biden and I personally rate it no better than the Daily Wail from the UK.

 

I wouldn't even put my fish and chips in its wrapper.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I don't consider Biden's behavior around children to be inappropriate. Did he suggest somewhere that he wouldn't mind dating his daughter?

 

I don't consider the rest of the items in your list to have a moral attribute or are insignificant to the point of trivial especially given the timeline.

Once again, "B-b-but Trump.....".... The Donald is a pig about women, but at least his daughter was 'of age' when he made his gross remarks.  

 

Here is Biden at work on CSpan. This is just swearing in ceremonies. Note that it is exclusively girls that get his attention, almost never boys... The commentary is very interesting as well.

 

 

I guess we will have to disagree then that plagiarism is a moral failing, as is lying about an innocent man, etc. 

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Once again, "B-b-but Trump.....".... The Donald is a pig about women, but at least his daughter was 'of age' when he made his gross remarks.  

 

Here is Biden at work on CSpan. This is just swearing in ceremonies. Note that it is exclusively girls that get his attention, almost never boys... The commentary is very interesting as well.

 

I guess we will have to disagree then that plagiarism is a moral failing, as is lying about an innocent man, etc. 

Nothing to see here. Nothing immoral about plagiarism unless you think shoplifting is immoral as well?

[billd766]

On 7/13/2023 at 9:50 AM, Tug said:

The problem at Fox in my opinion is that they aren’t really a news organization more of an entertainment company they have to feed their target audience this bs to keep them tuned in unfortunately it’s also damaging to our country 

Perhaps Fox should change their logo to "Fox Entertainment" which would most probably be more correct.

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Nothing to see here. Nothing immoral about plagiarism unless you think shoplifting is immoral as well?

Theft immoral? Uh, yes it is?  Although Joes behavior went a bit beyond that faulty analogy.

 

The reactions of the children to handsy sniffy Joe were priceless in the video, dont you think?

[billd766]

On 7/14/2023 at 9:08 PM, nauseus said:

If he ever actually had a comprehensive set of skills, I think that, over the years, most of the kit got lost, sold or stolen. Now it looks like a few damaged spanners are all that's left.

I am happy that you feel that way.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

 

It is a shame that 81,283,501 US citizens disagree with you and only 74,223,975 agree with you.

 

Isn't democracy a wonderful thing when the majority rules.

 

 

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

My pleasure. Here, for your reading enjoyment:

 

1. He lied about the man who was in the tragic accident that killed his first wife and daughter, calling him a drunk

2. He lied repeatedly and often about his academic pedigree when he first ran for president.

3. He lies about his son's death.

4. He lied about his upbringing.

5. He is a plagiarist, which ultimately derailed his first presidential campaign.

6. He lies about his grand-daughter Navy.

7. He lied about his son's business activities and what he knew of them.

8. He, like Trump, dodged the draft and avoided service in Viet Nam.

9. He is infamous for his inappropriate touching around women and girls. Did it again in Finland last week, being weird around a frightened toddler.

10. He has made numerous racist comments about minorities in America.

 

ETA  Oh, and the very premise of his 2020 presidential run was a lie. He claimed that Trump was praising white supremacists at Charlottesville during the unrest there. It was untrue and never happened.

 

 

Ho ho ho didn’t trump get himself impeached trying to create a slander on Biden ?then his little poodle Jim Jordan and that tubberville idiot try with their whistle blower who turns out to be a tool of China and Iran lmao ???? probably the most egregious thing to some is the success this administration is having making real progress on inflation civil programs ie infrastructure/environmental/and the wellbeing of our citizens not to mention the epic success of this last trip expanding NATO with 2 top tier countries no sir have a snickers you will feel better 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Ho ho ho didn’t trump get himself impeached trying to create a slander on Biden ?then his little poodle Jim Jordan and that tubberville idiot try with their whistle blower who turns out to be a tool of China and Iran lmao ???? probably the most egregious thing to some is the success this administration is having making real progress on inflation civil programs ie infrastructure/environmental/and the wellbeing of our citizens not to mention the epic success of this last trip expanding NATO with 2 top tier countries no sir have a snickers you will feel better 

It is getting tiring, reading the "b-b-but Trump..." deflection.  Plenty of discussions available if you want to throw shade at The Donald. Ditto the high and low policy decisions of the current administration.

 

Any comment on Biden's irresponsible and immoral doings? 

[riclag]

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

It is getting tiring, reading the "b-b-but Trump..." deflection.  Plenty of discussions available if you want to throw shade at The Donald. Ditto the high and low policy decisions of the current administration.

 

Any comment on Biden's irresponsible and immoral doings? 

Why do you bother to engage with the but but …

Make your point and if they deflect , ignore it , debate someone else on the topic.

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

It is getting tiring, reading the "b-b-but Trump..." deflection.  Plenty of discussions available if you want to throw shade at The Donald. Ditto the high and low policy decisions of the current administration.

 

Any comment on Biden's irresponsible and immoral doings? 

No comment on any imaginary Biden transgressions not enough to be concerned about im drawing a comparison about you trying to slander the Biden’s by drawing your attention to what happened to 45  when he made those spurious claims again it must be hell for the detractors to witness the success of responsible thought out governance double if said detractors wish ill on the United States and democracy as i believe some do

[Skipalongcassidy]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

I scroll down the page until I see who published it.

 

If it says "Fox News" I simply go to the next post and ignore it.

 

"Fox News" is like "Truth Social" for the MAGA and their supporters here on ANN.

 

It is totally biased against President Biden and I personally rate it no better than the Daily Wail from the UK.

 

I wouldn't even put my fish and chips in its wrapper.

Where do you go for your "news"?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Where do you go for your "news"?

You tell us yours and we'll tell you ours.

[Skipalongcassidy]

Just now, heybruce said:

You tell us yours and we'll tell you ours.

Why is that important?  I am willing to "read" any worthwhile news reports... and am genuinely seeking to update my portfolio of material.  

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Why is that important?  I am willing to "read" any worthwhile news reports... and am genuinely seeking to update my portfolio of material.  

You seem to know, or think you know, what are worthwhile news reports.  Why not share them with us?

[Hanaguma]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

No comment on any imaginary Biden transgressions not enough to be concerned about im drawing a comparison about you trying to slander the Biden’s by drawing your attention to what happened to 45  when he made those spurious claims again it must be hell for the detractors to witness the success of responsible thought out governance double if said detractors wish ill on the United States and democracy as i believe some do

Care to tell me which of my list are imaginary? All are well documented and well known.  

 

Without referring to the Bad Orange Man if possible...

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Where do you go for your "news"?

Any print press that doesn't routinely get sued for lying.

[Skipalongcassidy]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Any print press that doesn't routinely get sued for lying.

Name one...

[billd766]

6 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Where do you go for your "news"?

Why do you NEED to know?

[Skipalongcassidy]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

Why do you NEED to know?

I don't "NEED" to know... I am just curious.  Why are you so guarded about sharing the source of your enlightened opinions... I would be willing to see the light if I just knew the best place to look.

[Skipalongcassidy]

Just now, Skipalongcassidy said:

I don't "NEED" to know... I am just curious.  Why are you so guarded about sharing the source of your enlightened opinions... I would be willing to see the light if I just knew the best place to look.

PS... it's "bare" necessities... not "bear"

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

I don't "NEED" to know... I am just curious.  Why are you so guarded about sharing the source of your enlightened opinions... I would be willing to see the light if I just knew the best place to look.

And yet you won't share with us your sources.

 

4 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

PS... it's "bare" necessities... not "bear"

Obviously you haven't seen the classic Disney version of the The Jungle Book.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

PS... it's "bare" necessities... not "bear"

A grammar nazi as well.

 

Should I hang my head in shame, wear sackcloth and ashes, or perhaps treat your post with the contempt that it deserves.

 

AFAIR Baloo was a bear, hence my words.

[scottiejohn]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

A grammar nazi as well.

 

Should I hang my head in shame, wear sackcloth and ashes, or perhaps treat your post with the contempt that it deserves.

 

AFAIR Baloo was a bear, hence my words.

At least he does not seem to "wanna be like you"!