Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Only under specific instances, but as an ex-CIA operative you likely already knew that.  

Cute.

 

Under all incidences lying to the FBI when under investigation is a crime. trump was under investigation for stealing classified docs.

 

trump committed a crime.

 

As for agency and bureau, we operate at arms length. The bureau takes charge when it involves a US Person. The agency can take charge when it involves a foreign national. For example, I could identify you through your post here, even if you are using a VPN or TOR. Within seconds, I could access your tax records, bank records, credit card purchases. club or magazine or newspaper memberships, your browsing history, etc. I could get your phone records, all calls, all messages, and even geolocate your movement 24/7, pull up next to you in a restaurant or knock on your door, and say, "Hi, yellowtail".. The capabilities are astonishing. Terrorists know all that and use throwaway SIM cards and vary their online locations.

 

If you are a US Person, however, the agency would not be allowed to do that. The bureau, OTOH, could obtain a warrant (if, for example, you visited some kiddie porn sites), get a full profile of you as noted above, and monitor all of your activity. Doesn't matter if you have iPhone or Android or a laptop.

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So is was legal for Biden to have classified documents for years, but not for Trump? 

What are you on about, this topic is about Trump. Try to focus a bit.

What part of traitor don't you understand?

Edited August 9, 2023 by FritsSikkink

[Danderman123]

So, a DC grand jury is still working, either to indict the co-conspirators, or Trump's PAC (for fraud).

 

Or maybe both.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

Concerning the fake electors, some of them were duped, and had no idea they would be portrayed as real electors to the government.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Danderman123

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Concerning the fake electors, some of them were duped, and had no idea they would be portrayed as real electors to the government.

Prosecute the criminals that duped them.

 

BTW:  What kind of clueless idiots were these fake electors?

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Prosecute the criminals that duped them.

 

BTW:  What kind of clueless idiots were these fake electors?

They were told that their names would only be used if a court approved the alternate slate.

[Walker88]

Some States are planning to use the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution to keep trump and his co-conspirators off the ballot:

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14th Amendment

 

Section 3

 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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"We love you all very much" (trump to the 6 January terrorists)

 

"If re-elected, I'll pardon all of the January 6 prisoners"

 

At the very least, that sounds like 'given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof'.

[ozimoron]

Trump was no longer listening to his White House counsel, the elite team of attorneys who take an oath to serve the office of the president. But by all accounts, he hadn’t been listening to them for some time.

The extraordinary moment — fully detailed for the first time in the latest federal indictment against Trump unsealed last week — vividly illustrates the extent to which the former president’s final weeks in office were consumed by a struggle over the law, with two determined groups of attorneys fighting it out as the future of American democracy hung in the balance.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-indictment-jan6-riot-cipollone-philbin-b72ee539405f1f70fe34277f969a741c

[Tanlic]

On 8/7/2023 at 4:25 PM, Jingthing said:

Biden is smart enough to beat Trump from his basement so methinks you mischaracterize his intelligence level. 

Biden never beat Trump the Media worked constantly to brainwash people into thinking Trump was the Devil and they are so dumb they believed their rubbish.

 

Wake up and smell the roses.....One nothingburdger after another Russia Russia Russia, Impeachments that went nowhere hoaxes rammed down  American si,pleton's throats.

 

Other countries just look and shake their heads and ask how dumb can people be?

 

 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2023 by Tanlic

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Some States are planning to use the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution to keep trump and his co-conspirators off the ballot:

- - - - - - -

14th Amendment

 

Section 3

 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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"We love you all very much" (trump to the 6 January terrorists)

 

"If re-elected, I'll pardon all of the January 6 prisoners"

 

At the very least, that sounds like 'given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof'.

Uhh, no one has been convicted of insurrection, although I assume (and it has been brought up countless times) the plan all along was to get Trump for insurrection so prohibit him from running.

 

I'm surprised you didn't know that given how brilliant you.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Yellowtail

[Yellowtail]

43 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

They were told that their names would only be used if a court approved the alternate slate.

So, Trump was trying to go through the courts to legally reverse the election? 

[Danderman123]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Trump was trying to go through the courts to legally reverse the election? 

Read the indictment.

 

 

[Danderman123]

41 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Some States are planning to use the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution to keep trump and his co-conspirators off the ballot:

- - - - - - -

14th Amendment

 

Section 3

 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

- - - - - - -

 

"We love you all very much" (trump to the 6 January terrorists)

 

"If re-elected, I'll pardon all of the January 6 prisoners"

 

At the very least, that sounds like 'given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof'.

No State is actually doing this, although some individuals in some states are making noises about doing this.

 

Note that Trump has not even been charged with sedition, let alone convicted.

[Danderman123]

33 minutes ago, Tanlic said:

Biden never beat Trump

 

Other countries just look and shake their heads and ask how dumb can people be?

 

 

 

 

Biden beat Trump in the popular vote as well as the Electoral College.

 

No one except people paid by Trump, or crazy people, still give credit to the Big Lie.

 

As Rudy said "we have plenty of theories, just no evidence".

Edited August 10, 2023 by Danderman123

[Walker88]

38 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Uhh, no one has been convicted of insurrection, although I assume (and it has been brought up countless times) the plan all along was to get Trump for insurrection so prohibit him from running.

 

I'm surprised you didn't know that given how brilliant you.

Easy to interpret it as insurrection. They certainly were not there to buy souvenirs, nor did trump send them there to be peaceful. His style was taught to him by Ray Cohn.

 

Lawyers and officials much more intelligent and well-versed in Constitutional Law that you are working on it.

 

Patience, grasshopper.

[Walker88]

37 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Trump was trying to go through the courts to legally reverse the election? 

No. Some of the fake electors were told that story to get them on board. Others were fully aware.

 

Note in the indictment where Co-Conspirator #2 (Eastman) outlines the plan in full detail, even suggesting it was 'only a minor violation of the law'.

 

No one can be so ignorant to believe trump was limiting himself to legal means. Well, maybe trumpers can be.

 

"Just find me 11,780 votes".  Many WH meetings.  Note what the indictment says about Co-Conspirator #4 (jeffrey clarke) and what he and trump discussed.  Only when the entire senior service at DoJ threatened to resign en masse did trump back away.

 

BTW, isn't it about time you go back to square one and try to equate Biden/Pence docs with trump's stolen docs?

[Walker88]

49 minutes ago, Tanlic said:

Biden never beat Trump the Media worked constantly to brainwash people into thinking Trump was the Devil and they are so dumb they believed their rubbish.

 

Wake up and smell the roses.....One nothingburdger after another Russia Russia Russia, Impeachments that went nowhere hoaxes rammed down  American si,pleton's throats.

 

Other countries just look and shake their heads and ask how dumb can people be?

 

 

 

 

Ah, better play catch up. Biden beat trump. It's been in all the papers. Not even a "Dewey Beats Truman", just a straight up beat down of the bloated one.

 

I have to believe you are joking. No adult could be so ignorant.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Easy to interpret it as insurrection. They certainly were not there to buy souvenirs, nor did trump send them there to be peaceful. His style was taught to him by Ray Cohn.

 

Lawyers and officials much more intelligent and well-versed in Constitutional Law that you are working on it.

 

Patience, grasshopper.

Only easy for the left, your greatness...

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Tanlic said:

Biden never beat Trump the Media worked constantly to brainwash people into thinking Trump was the Devil and they are so dumb they believed their rubbish.

 

Wake up and smell the roses.....One nothingburdger after another Russia Russia Russia, Impeachments that went nowhere hoaxes rammed down  American si,pleton's throats.

 

Other countries just look and shake their heads and ask how dumb can people be?

 

This dumb. Biden beat Trump by 7 million votes.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

This dumb. Biden beat Trump by 7 million votes.

I thought there were only 538 votes total, no? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I thought there were only 538 votes total, no? 

Biden still had the most electoral college votes.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Biden still had the most electoral college votes.

I'm not arguing that Trump won the election. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

I'm not arguing that Trump won the election. 

Then you're not making any coherent argument. Stop trolling.

[CANSIAM]

"I need you to find 11,780 votes, thats one more than what we have, we won the state" 

[ICU Kid]

US is fast becoming a Banana Republic.

 

Looks like old Joe is working for the EUrocommie Colonialists from Europe.

 

They want their colony back and will 'come to the rescue' once the hyperinflation kicks in.

 

 

Edited August 10, 2023 by ICU Kid

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, ICU Kid said:

US is fast becoming a Banana Republic.

 

Looks like old Joe is working for the EUrocommie Colonialists from Europe.

 

They want their colony back and will 'come to the rescue' once the hyperinflation kicks in.

This is sad on so many levels.

[Walker88]

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Only easy for the left, your greatness...

Yes. You're probably correct that trumpers lack the neurons necessary to see the patently obvious.

 

-trump Tweeted a call to DC on 6 January for what purpose?

 

-trump held the Mall rally on 6 January, along with rudy and eastman, telling the goobers to 'march to the Capitol' and 'fight like hell', and 'you'll never take back your country with weakness', and 'if Pence does the right thing' for what purpose?

 

-trump told GA SecState Raffensperger "just find me 11,780 votes" for what purpose?

 

-trump listened to Co-Conspirator #2's plan to appoint fake electors and engage in 'only a minor violation of the law' for what purpose?

 

-trump decided to appoint Co-Conspirator #4 to Acting AG, after CC#4 said he would send an official letter to States telling them to hold off certification (AG has no power to do so) for what purpose?

 

-trump continued to spout the Big Lie, even when he knew he lost (witnesses in the indictment) for what purpose?

 

I really have to consider you are just a troll.

Edited August 10, 2023 by Walker88

[Walker88]

3 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

US is fast becoming a Banana Republic.

 

Looks like old Joe is working for the EUrocommie Colonialists from Europe.

 

They want their colony back and will 'come to the rescue' once the hyperinflation kicks in.

 

 

Pssst ! No visa is required to visit Reality.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So, Trump was trying to go through the courts to legally reverse the election? 

He tried repeatedly, and failed repeatedly.  That's when he started doing the stuff leading to these indictments.

[Walker88]

One of the more amusing episodes of this ongoing trumpian farce is when rudy announced a rally to be held at the Four Seasons in Philly. Of course, it was Four Seasons Lawn and Supply, not the upscale hotel. It was located next to a porn store where 'adult toys' were sold.

 

Frankly, it was thoughtful of rudy to hold it so close to a place where trump's Incel demographic could buy some latex to take home.