Trump charged with four counts over 2020 election

[Lacessit]

Revisiting this thread after 43 pages. The Trump acolytes are still worshipping. Jack Smith keeps piling on more charges. Trump responds with violent rhetoric.

I am still waiting for a judge to toss Trump in the slammer for contempt of court.

[Bkk Brian]

Special counsel proposes Jan. 2, 2024, trial for Trump on election charges

Special counsel Jack Smith is seeking to put Donald Trump on trial on Jan. 2, 2024 — less than four months away — on charges related to his bid to subvert the 2020 election.

That aggressive timeline would put the weighty criminal trial first on Trump’s crowded calendar of criminal proceedings and guarantee an extensive airing of the grave allegations against him just before Republican primary voters head to the polls.

“It is difficult to imagine a public interest stronger than the one in this case,” assistant special counsel Molly Gaston wrote in a court document filed Thursday, “in which the defendant — the former President of the United States — is charged with three criminal conspiracies intended to undermine the federal government, obstruct the certification of the 2020 presidential election, and disenfranchise voters.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/10/trump-election-trial-date-proposal-00110706

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Typical trumper.

 

FACTS=Baloney

 

Conspiracy Drivel = Gospel

 

You cannot refute facts. That seems to upset you.

Your so-called facts are the baloney.

 

You omit to acknowledge the effects of Covid and/or the Ukraine problem with most of them.

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[Walker88]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

Your so-called facts are the baloney.

 

You omit to acknowledge the effects of Covid and/or the Ukraine problem with most of them.

You cannot refute them.

 

trump's economy---which benefited in the early years from the Obama-led recovery from the Financial Crisis of 2008---was still no big deal before Covid.

 

His Quarterly GDP change before Covid was in the bottom 30% of all quarters since the end of WWII.

 

The $2 trillion tax cut he signed---which did nothing except juice the National Debt---did not even lead to organic growth. The silliness people claimed then of 'businesses repatriating profits' was spurious, as low rates had enticed corporations to issue trillions in new debt. The tax cut just went to corporate bonuses or reworking the balance sheet.

 

Then trump imposed sanctions on China, which made China switch its ag sources, resulting in trump needing to engage in massive new Socialism giving aid to US Farmers.

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

You cannot refute them.

 

trump's economy---which benefited in the early years from the Obama-led recovery from the Financial Crisis of 2008---was still no big deal before Covid.

 

His Quarterly GDP change before Covid was in the bottom 30% of all quarters since the end of WWII.

 

The $2 trillion tax cut he signed---which did nothing except juice the National Debt---did not even lead to organic growth. The silliness people claimed then of 'businesses repatriating profits' was spurious, as low rates had enticed corporations to issue trillions in new debt. The tax cut just went to corporate bonuses or reworking the balance sheet.

 

Then trump imposed sanctions on China, which made China switch its ag sources, resulting in trump needing to engage in massive new Socialism giving aid to US Farmers.

It was $1.5trillion over 10 years. Then you talk about silliness! 

 

Great. The US China trade balance (deficit) at >USD300+ annually for over a decade:

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

 

 

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It was $1.5trillion over 10 years. Then you talk about silliness! 

 

Great. The US China trade balance (deficit) at >USD300+ annually for over a decade:

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

 

 

Did Trump reduce the trade imbalance with China?

 

The U.S. trade deficit over the four years of President Donald Trump’s presidency soared to its highest level since 2008, despite his tough tariff tactics intended to bring it down, a new Commerce Department report showed on Friday.

 

The combined U.S. goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

 

Trump failed in one of his major trade policy goals because the U.S. trade deficit is driven more by macroeconomic factors, like how much a country spends and saves, than it is by tariffs and foreign trade practices, analysts said.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/05/2020-trade-figures-trump-failure-deficit-466116

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Did Trump reduce the trade imbalance with China?

 

The U.S. trade deficit over the four years of President Donald Trump’s presidency soared to its highest level since 2008, despite his tough tariff tactics intended to bring it down, a new Commerce Department report showed on Friday.

 

The combined U.S. goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

 

Trump failed in one of his major trade policy goals because the U.S. trade deficit is driven more by macroeconomic factors, like how much a country spends and saves, than it is by tariffs and foreign trade practices, analysts said.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/05/2020-trade-figures-trump-failure-deficit-466116

Yes, after 2018 for goods.

 

What is this $916 billion supposed to be??

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Yes, after 2018 for goods.

 

What is this $916 billion supposed to be??

What the article clearly says it is?

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

What the article clearly says it is?

If you mean this:

 

The combined U.S. goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

 

...then this is not merely limited to US-China trade. So you are clearly confusing this. 

 

Your pompous post begins with this:

Did Trump reduce the trade imbalance with China?

 

This is what your article says about that:

 

Deficit with China fell: Trump was successful in bringing down the bilateral trade deficit with China, as result of the tariffs he imposed on more than $350 billion worth of Chinese goods. Final figures show the trade gap with China totaled $311 billion in 2020, down sharply to the record high of $419 billion in 2018.

 

And, yes, I know deficits went up with other countries instead but that is not the issue here.

 

Always better not to lean out of the car window too far.

[candide]

45 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you mean this:

 

The combined U.S. goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

 

...then this is not merely limited to US-China trade. So you are clearly confusing this. 

 

Your pompous post begins with this:

Did Trump reduce the trade imbalance with China?

 

This is what your article says about that:

 

Deficit with China fell: Trump was successful in bringing down the bilateral trade deficit with China, as result of the tariffs he imposed on more than $350 billion worth of Chinese goods. Final figures show the trade gap with China totaled $311 billion in 2020, down sharply to the record high of $419 billion in 2018.

 

And, yes, I know deficits went up with other countries instead but that is not the issue here.

 

Always better not to lean out of the car window too far.

2018 was particular (I remember there was a storage increase before the application of tariffs).

There was also an effect of the value of the RMB , which reached a peak in 2018, and then decreased significantly. (From 0.159 USD to 0.14 USD)

From the source you posted before, 2017 deficit was 375, and 2019 342, so not a significant impact of tariffs on trade deficit with China.

2020 was the Covid crisis year, so not representative of a 'normal' economic activity.

Edited August 11, 2023 by candide

[Danderman123]

19 hours ago, ICU Kid said:

At the fall of the Soviet Union the US/UN assured the Russians that NATO wouldn't expand onto their borders.  They didn't keep their promise so Putin took action

 

Wrong. Even Gorbachev has stated that it's not true.

[Danderman123]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

 

"Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. ".

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, ICU Kid said:

Liar

Try doing some research before putting mouth in gear.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

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[Walker88]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

It was $1.5trillion over 10 years. Then you talk about silliness! 

 

Great. The US China trade balance (deficit) at >USD300+ annually for over a decade:

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

 

 

If your stuff is real, that means trump ran up massive debt on top of the tax cut.

 

Pure disaster in every possible way. Little wonder the miscreant was 6 times bankrupt.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Try doing some research before putting mouth in gear.

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

I'm sure he did, but he only researched using Russia Today.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

If you mean this:

 

The combined U.S. goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

 

...then this is not merely limited to US-China trade. So you are clearly confusing this. 

 

Your pompous post begins with this:

Did Trump reduce the trade imbalance with China?

 

This is what your article says about that:

 

Deficit with China fell: Trump was successful in bringing down the bilateral trade deficit with China, as result of the tariffs he imposed on more than $350 billion worth of Chinese goods. Final figures show the trade gap with China totaled $311 billion in 2020, down sharply to the record high of $419 billion in 2018.

 

And, yes, I know deficits went up with other countries instead but that is not the issue here.

 

Always better not to lean out of the car window too far.

The deficit with China reached a record high under Trump, then came down during the Trump recession.

 

Do you think that speaks well of Trump?

[still kicking]

31 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The deficit with China reached a record high under Trump, then came down during the Trump recession.

 

Do you think that speaks well of Trump?

They don't get it 

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

If your stuff is real, that means trump ran up massive debt on top of the tax cut.

 

Pure disaster in every possible way. Little wonder the miscreant was 6 times bankrupt.

Sounds like you lost confidence in your own numbers.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

The deficit with China reached a record high under Trump, then came down during the Trump recession.

 

Do you think that speaks well of Trump?

The Trump recession? Tell me more.

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On 8/2/2023 at 7:41 AM, Hanaguma said:

If he is found guilty, put him in prison. I have no problem with that.  Just do it in time for the GOP to have a fair chance at selecting another nominee for the 2024 election.

The reason for the delays in Trump's various trials is the frivolous motions raised by his attorney for which they have repeatedly been scolded by judges. If the trial is further delayed, which Trump's attorney are pushing for, Trump will have no one to blame but himself.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The Trump recession? Tell me more.

OK

 

President Trump inherited an economy in January 2017 that was already at a record level on many key measures, such as the number of persons with jobs,[19] real median household income,[21] household net worth,[22] and stock market level. It also featured a low unemployment rate of 4.7%, very low inflation, and a moderate budget deficit.[23][3] While Trump referred to "American carnage" in his first inaugural address and announced an "America First" economic strategy,[24][25] overall the economy when he began was on solid ground in terms of major aggregate measures

 

The 128-month (10.7-year) economic expansion that began in June 2009 abruptly ended at a peak in February 2020, with the U.S. entering a recession due to the COVID-19 pandemic

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration

[LosLobo]

Seems Peter Navarro will soon have the privilege of becoming another one of the mafioso Don's sycophants, who gets thrown under the bus.

 

He will possibly join the ranks of the hundreds of others who have drunk from the poisoned chalice and gone to jail.

 

'Former President Donald Trump is not expected to testify on behalf of his former trade adviser Peter Navarro, potentially undercutting a key defense for Navarro in his upcoming criminal trial on contempt of Congress charges for defying the House select committee that investigated the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021'.

 

Peter Navarro: Trump not expected to testify at former trade adviser's contempt of Congress trial | CNN Politics

[Danderman123]

It would be interesting to hear from the Trumpers as to which of Trump's mooks are going to be indicted. It's not very likely that the Trump Lie Machine has given them any talking points on Trump's accomplices, so they would have to think to respond, and I suspect that thinking would be arduous for most of them.

 

So, Yellowtail, Bignok, Nauseous: who will be indicted?

[Danderman123]

The judge in the Jan 6 case has given Trump notice that if he tries to pollute the jury pool with inflammatory statements, she will accelerate the trial date to minimize the damage.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The judge in the Jan 6 case has given Trump notice that if he tries to pollute the jury pool with inflammatory statements, she will accelerate the trial date to minimize the damage.

No doubt in my mind inflammatory statements will be made. But I doubt the trail date can be accelerated by much.

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The judge in the Jan 6 case has given Trump notice that if he tries to pollute the jury pool with inflammatory statements, she will accelerate the trial date to minimize the damage.

trump has yet to coin a disparaging nickname for Judge Tanya Chutkan, while he's all over 'Deranged' Jack Smith and SC Smith's wife (once suggesting---dog whistling to his base---Smith changed his family name to hide some Jewish ancestry). I doubt the twice impeached, thrice indicted, convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, 6-time bankrupt trump is out of ideas; maybe he is rightfully scared that this no nonsense judge will do the needful if donny misbehaves anymore. Because she is Black, female, and an Obama appointee, he must be chomping at the bit to spit out his usual racist, misogynist drivel, driven by his own debilitating personal insecurities. He tossed "Low IQ" at Rep Maxine Waters, "Coco" at his former Cabinet member Elaine Chao, Pocahontas for Sen Elizabeth Warren, "Peekaboo" Letitia James, "Evita" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and for nations where the predominant ethnicity is Black, he called them "s-hole countries', while he has labelled all Latin American migrants and immigrants as 'rapists and murderers' (Remember "Why can't we get more immigrants from Norway?").

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

The Trump recession? Tell me more.

Easy enough.  Check out the GDP figures in 2020: 

 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP/

 

or

 

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2021&locations=us&start=2005