12 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

That makes the investors and those who provided credit dumb for not doing due diligence! 

You got that wrong, the dumb ones are Trump, his three eldest children and the Trump Organization who are being sued for this fraud.

 

The once chief financial officer Weisselberg already received a 5 year jail sentence for tax fraud and he's also now being sued in this civil case.

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't get it, nothing to do with his ego, the inflation of his wealth was fraudulent, to get more loans for real estate deals.

And in some cases take him to bankruptcy...

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

America has always brought out the jealousy of foreigners. It's OK, we are great aren't we.

Very difficult to find a source that backs up your claim!

 

Global Social Capital Index 2022 - 

• The USA, due to comparable high crime rates, low availability of health services, and rising inequality, is ranked 111, just below Nicaragua and above Ghana.

2021 Social progress index - USA ranked 24

 

In its global rankings, the United Nations Office of Sustainable Development dropped the U.S. to 41st worldwide, down from its previous ranking of 32nd. Under this methodology – an expansive model of 17 categories, or “goals,” many of them focused on the environment and equity – the U.S. ranks between Cuba and Bulgaria. Both are widely regarded as developing countries.

The U.S. is also now considered a “flawed democracy,” according to The Economist’s democracy index.

 

2023 Index of Economic Freedom - USA ranked 25

 

The Newsroom - America is not the greatest country in the world anymore...(Restricted language) - YouTube

 

50 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Prove it, you make a bold statement. Prove it

Read the indictment for a change.

36 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

To recap the bidding, Trump is being charged for fraud in a civil case in New York state.

 

No criminal charges.

Yet

SOP for the Grifter King.  

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Seems like they were encouraged and egged on by agent provocateurs in the crowd like Ray Epps who were urging peaceful patriots to enter the capital building. 

Why were the Proud Boys already marching on the Capitol before Trump gave his speech?

 

Why were so many marchers equipped with bullhorns, body armor and weapons?

 

It's almost as if there were a plan to storm the Capitol.

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://nypost.com/2021/02/10/old-tweets-show-raskin-biden-saying-fight-like-hell/

 

Republicans on Wednesday dug up past instances of Democratic House impeachment managers and President Biden using the words “fight” or “fight like hell” — one of the key allegations against former President Donald Trump at his Senate trial.

Was that "fight" to overturn an election? Context is everything.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Seems like they were encouraged and egged on by agent provocateurs in the crowd like Ray Epps who were urging peaceful patriots to enter the capital building. Together with riot police not being able to step in, thanks Nancy. Sadly there was a one sided witch hunt of an inquest to present one sided garbage and no defence to keep a sense of reality. Shame really, we will likely never know the role the alphabet agencies played.

Seems like your post is only opinion and not fact.

 

Fox even agrees with me.

 

Fox 's lawyers defence on Epps defamation by Tucker Carlson.......

 

'The network’s lawyers wrote that the statements Epps found defamatory were protected opinions, not assertions of fact'

 

Ray Epps defamation lawsuit dismissal sought by Fox News - The Washington Post (archive.md)

 

Previously, Fox lawyers on another case of defamation by Tucker Carlson, stated that a 'reasonable viewer of ordinary intelligence', watching the show would not conclude that the statements were fact.

 

This says a lot about anyone who believes anything from Tucker Carlson or Fox for that matter.

 

The Legal Defense For Fox's Tucker Carlson: He Can't Be Literally Believed : NPR

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Let's just say that Jared was not involved in a scheme to craft US foreign policy to benefit America's enemies in return for 10's of millions of $'s to the detrement of Americans.

 

Jared is a fund manager. People that invested expect/hope to turn a profit. No similarities with the bidens denied and censored inexplicable foreign adventures.

Can you please share with us what scheme that might be. The evidence is overwhelming that it wasn't Burisma.

 

An FBI source, a Burisma deal, the Bidens and details that don’t match up

https://archive.ph/Cm4ty

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/30/an-fbi-source-burisma-deal-bidens-details-that-dont-match-up/

 

And what evidence is there that Joe Biden acted on behalf of the Chinese? Given how much harsher US policy towards the Chinese has been during his tenure, you'd think the Chinese govt would be in a strong position to blackmail him if they had anything on him.

 

We also know that Kushner, unlike Hunter Biden, was a very high level govt official whose special purview was the Mideast. . And while he was a govt official, the Qatar govt participated in a deal to bail out the Kushner family from a disastrous investment made by Jared Kushner. The deal made no business sense. It was clearly a sweetheart deal. And once Kushner left office, At MbS' orders, Saudi Arabia invested 2 billion dollars with Kushner despite the Saudi investment council being in opposition to entrusting 2 billion dollars to someone who had a record of failure. Not just that, it is also sleazy that the Saudis invested 1 billion with Steve Mnuchin, the former Secretary of the Treasury. But at least he has a record as a savvy and successful investor. Yet, MbS invested twice as much with Kushner.

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6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Rather have a President that falsely claims vast wealth to please his ego, than a corrupt one with vast inexplicable wealth and webs of shell companies and llc's funnelling cash to family members. For obvious reasons.

 

Basic politics 101

Still spreading falsehoods? Biden's income and wealth has been adequately explained again and again. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/06/10/heres-how-much-joe-biden-is-worth/?sh=5d5d0d57461b

He has also released his tax returns since 1998

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/31/joe-biden/yes-joe-biden-has-released-22-years-tax-returns-on/

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The amount was alleged, not confirmed. But it will help when he has to pay his lawyers as they know he can't plead poverty.

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Most folk would call it good business.

Most folk wouldn’t, believe me. Only if you like dishonesty and fraud would you call it good business.

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Rather have a President that falsely claims vast wealth to please his ego, than a corrupt one with vast inexplicable wealth and webs of shell companies and llc's funnelling cash to family members. For obvious reasons.

 

Basic politics 101

And four indictments 

8 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Need creds to make the word "dude" doable and tug doesn't have it.

Awww now ya hurt my feelings guess I’ll just go blubber and cry ???? just so you know I’m still 12 at heart I’m active work hard on my projects (rejoicing in the fact that I can) I could care less if you think I have (creds) or not.the term dude used in the context I used it is a slightly pugilistic term you and I obviously disagree about trump in my book he’s criminal and has been an incredibly destructive force in my country I’m hoping he finally reaps what he has sown all his life.In closing all said and done fair winds and following seas evinkeel watch you don’t broach cause you are carrying a dangerous list to stbd 

32 minutes ago, Tug said:

Awww now ya hurt my feelings guess I’ll just go blubber and cry ???? just so you know I’m still 12 at heart I’m active work hard on my projects (rejoicing in the fact that I can) I could care less if you think I have (creds) or not.the term dude used in the context I used it is a slightly pugilistic term you and I obviously disagree about trump in my book he’s criminal and has been an incredibly destructive force in my country I’m hoping he finally reaps what he has sown all his life.In closing all said and done fair winds and following seas evinkeel watch you don’t broach cause you are carrying a dangerous list to stbd 

It's been 4 yrs since last took drafts.

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's been 4 yrs since last took drafts.

Enjoy your retirement no more riding the big canoe or shipping out!im afraid you and I will just have to agree to disagree 

11 hours ago, retarius said:

Where is the detail? Who exactly did he 'inflate' his net worth to? What was the purpose of the inflation of net worth? Unless he was inflating his net worth to investors or to get credit, he can tell as many lies about it as he likes. Net worth (the difference between your assets and liabilities is not a reportable number ie you don't file a net worth statement every year, like a tax filing.

The detail is in the filing. Several thick binders of detail in which he systematically overstated the value of assets when seeking loans (fraud) and systematically understating their value when filing taxes (also fraud). 

 

These are not opinion. These are signed and sworn documents by Trump & his henchmen. So many that the filing is asking for summary judgement on the facts.

10 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

The detail is in the filing. Several thick binders of detail in which he systematically overstated the value of assets when seeking loans (fraud) and systematically understating their value when filing taxes (also fraud). 

 

These are not opinion. These are signed and sworn documents by Trump & his henchmen. So many that the filing is asking for summary judgement on the facts.

Summary judgment is granted when there are no other facts to be tried. All of the necessary statements and evidence are already in front of the judge, and there’s no way to obtain more information.

 

Summary judgment is granted when the facts can be decided upon without needing to go to trial, where the opposing party would lose due to a lack of evidence. If it’s not clear that there is no more evidence, then summary judgment must be denied.

 

https://www.wkw.com/legal-process/faqs/what-is-a-summary-judgment/

 

13 hours ago, 2baht said:

Do some research on Jarod and Ivanka! Open your eyes!

Here we go... hard-facts from Morning Joe!

40 minutes ago, MonteD said:

Here we go... hard-facts from Morning Joe!

Call me crazy, but somehow I’m not all too sure you would recognize hard facts if they bit you on the @ss.

7 hours ago, MonteD said:

Here we go... hard-facts from Morning Joe!

Informative and to the point! ???? Well done Monts!

9 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Summary judgment is granted when there are no other facts to be tried. All of the necessary statements and evidence are already in front of the judge, and there’s no way to obtain more information.

 

Summary judgment is granted when the facts can be decided upon without needing to go to trial, where the opposing party would lose due to a lack of evidence. If it’s not clear that there is no more evidence, then summary judgment must be denied.

 

https://www.wkw.com/legal-process/faqs/what-is-a-summary-judgment/

 

New York says Trump should be found liable for fraud, even before a trial

New York's attorney general on Wednesday asked a state judge to declare, even before the start of a trial, that Donald Trump committed fraud by submitting false statements to bankers and insurers and overstating his net worth by up to $2.23 billion.

In filings with a state court in Manhattan, Attorney General Letitia James said evidence in her civil case showed "repeated and persistent fraudulent use" by Trump and his family business of false and misleading financial statements from 2011 to 2021.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-says-trump-should-be-found-liable-fraud-even-before-trial-2023-08-30/

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

New York says Trump should be found liable for fraud, even before a trial

New York's attorney general on Wednesday asked a state judge to declare, even before the start of a trial, that Donald Trump committed fraud by submitting false statements to bankers and insurers and overstating his net worth by up to $2.23 billion.

In filings with a state court in Manhattan, Attorney General Letitia James said evidence in her civil case showed "repeated and persistent fraudulent use" by Trump and his family business of false and misleading financial statements from 2011 to 2021.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-says-trump-should-be-found-liable-fraud-even-before-trial-2023-08-30/

This Letitia James you speak of sounds familiar. There was an irrational hatefilled politician that ran for office on the fascistic and undemocratic platform of Getting Trump regardless of merit. Not one and the same surely?

 

 Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources. I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence.

 

 As a south Florida property owner I can state the real value is somewhere inbetween the 2 camps values. Ie both are as wrong as each other.

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This Letitia James you speak of sounds familiar. There was an irrational hatefilled politician that ran for office on the fascistic and undemocratic platform of Getting Trump regardless of merit. Not one and the same surely?

 

 Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources. I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence.

 

 As a south Florida property owner I can state the real value is somewhere inbetween the 2 camps values. Ie both are as wrong as each other.

Have you read the facts in the indictment?

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-lawsuit-against-trump-by-new-yorks-attorney-general-alleging-business-fraud

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This Letitia James you speak of sounds familiar. There was an irrational hatefilled politician that ran for office on the fascistic and undemocratic platform of Getting Trump regardless of merit. Not one and the same surely?

 

 Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources. I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence.

 

 As a south Florida property owner I can state the real value is somewhere inbetween the 2 camps values. Ie both are as wrong as each other.

Oh stop blubbering for your hero if the facts and evidence don’t bear out your boy will be vindicated if not then………..so send him some money you will feel better 

17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This Letitia James you speak of sounds familiar. There was an irrational hatefilled politician that ran for office on the fascistic and undemocratic platform of Getting Trump regardless of merit. Not one and the same surely?

 

 Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources. I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence.

 

 As a south Florida property owner I can state the real value is somewhere inbetween the 2 camps values. Ie both are as wrong as each other.

The problem for Trump is that declared value for assets should be the same when filing for bank loans and when paying taxes.

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This Letitia James you speak of sounds familiar. There was an irrational hatefilled politician that ran for office on the fascistic and undemocratic platform of Getting Trump regardless of merit. Not one and the same surely?

 

 Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources. I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence.

 

 As a south Florida property owner I can state the real value is somewhere inbetween the 2 camps values. Ie both are as wrong as each other.

"Anti democracy haters are naturally not very credible sources."

 

Correct.  Democracy haters such as Trump and all those who attempted to overturn 2020 election are not credible sources."

 

"I prefer level headed facts backed up by actual evidence. "

 

Coming from you that is rich.  We're still waiting for those facts that support your claim that President Biden is a criminal.

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The problem for Trump is that declared value for assets should be the same when filing for bank loans and when paying taxes.

And when they aren't it's fraud, which is a crime.

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sorry I can't accept PBS as a credible or reliable souce on biden/trump issues. Just look at this absolute nonsense. Lies from start to finish and misinforming voters with dangerous conspiracy theories. Shame on you PBS

 

"And part of that effort specifically was to oust the chief prosecutor who was considered particularly ineffective. And when it came to Burisma, U.S. diplomats said that that prosecutor was ineffective because he had not pursued corruption allegations against Burisma.

So, by pushing to get the prosecutor fired, Vice President Biden was actually making it more likely that the Ukrainian government would investigate the company that had his son the board."

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/are-trump-allies-peddling-russian-disinformation-about-the-bidens

 

And for a dose of factual reality confirming the silly conspiracy theory the left establishment peddled that Burisma was paying the Biden's illicit millions to fire a complicit prosecutor in order to get a new one to ride Burisma harder (people actually believe this??!)

 

"Shocking emails reveal Hunter Biden helped coordinate a plan with Democrat strategists to 'close down any cases' against the owner of allegedly corrupt Ukrainian gas firm Burisma and 'gain intelligence' on the country's top prosecutor's office."

 

Hunter Biden devised plan to 'close down' US probe into Burisma founder by Viktor Shokin - who was … https://mol.im/a/12453245

 

 

If you read the entire article it does not state that Hunter Biden did anything.  The closest thing to maybe something done by Hunter is a report of second hand info that Hunter called "DC".  Also, the fact that the emails are from a laptop that was in unknown hands for an extended period of time raises suspicions.

 

Shokin now claims he was fired for investigating Burisma.  I wonder why it took so long for him to make the claim.

 

Edit:  Here are the reasons why Shokin was fired.  https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/shokin-s-revenge-ukraine-s-odious-prosecutor-general-fires-honest-deputy-before-parliament-sacks-him/

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