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Electric car fire: Week-old million baht vehicle ignites in Udon Thani mall

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VocalNeal
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Sounds like he was overcharged????

Keep Right
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These EV cars are death traps and I will never drive them.

transam
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Can't wait for the "It won't happen to my EV" brigade to turn up here, or "He should have bought an MG" crowd......................????

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1 minute ago, transam said:

The question was, isn't a hybrid partly EV...

That is either a Yes or No..????

Incorrect, it can be answered by a Yes or No, but it doesn’t have to be.

 

Especially if it’s being spun to insinuate an incorrect conclusion.

 

 

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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yep... the trend I see is you consistently applying your bias. 

 

In all of the reports I'm reading I do not see any that indicates EV's are a greater fire risk than ICE's.

 

I've applied some biased search terms such as googling: << EV's greater fire risk than ICE's >> and the results return information which contradicts and highlights ICE's are the greater fire risk. 

 

Now, you are arguing all the published stats with only your opinion without researched facts, yet you are suggesting that the published information is propaganda pushed on naïve souls.

 

This propaganda conspiracy you are suggesting seems world wide, the harder I try to look for information which states ICE's are less fire risk than EV's the more I'm faced with exactly the opposite. 

 

Perhaps you can find something which backs up your suggestions that ICE's are less of a fire risk than EV's (even Chinese EV's).

 

 

I need to reiterate - I'm neither pro nor anti EV....   I am merely interested in unadulterated non-bias facts. 

(actually, I am anti Chinese EV, or rather anti-Chinese car, simply because of my bias against build quality of Chinese cars which may well be flawed).

 

 

Even in this article (linked) which quotes an increase in Chinese EV fires (because of an increase in EV's on the road) the incidence is less than ICE vehicles. 

 

https://www.cjoglobal.com/2023/08/08/how-many-ev-car-fires-are-there-a-year/

 

 

Is asking for numbers/miles driven being bias? Good lord!

We agree that ICEs is more prone to fires than EVs, but the numbers are not as rosy as the EV industry is claiming. 

I just want full transparency and so far a lot have been left out. Are EV fires happening mostly with specific battery types?

Are EVs with larger battery pack more fire prone?

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Just now, JBChiangRai said:

Incorrect, it can be answered by a Yes or No, but it doesn’t have to be.

 

Especially if it’s being spun to insinuate an incorrect conclusion.

 

 

Oh, so you are trying to change facts to suit your agenda......

I am not surprised, though...............????

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Oh, so you are trying to change facts to suit your agenda......

I am not surprised, though...............????

I was neither responding in the affirmative or the negative, but adding more facts to the context.

 

I suspect you would argue black is white, it seems to be in your nature to be a contrairian.

 

You do like your emojis, each to his own.

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1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

I was neither responding in the affirmative or the negative, but adding more facts to the context.

 

I suspect you would argue black is white, it seems to be in your nature to be a contrairian.

 

You do like your emojis, each to his own.

It's OK, really, cannot give a straight answer.....................:coffee1:

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5 hours ago, rbkk said:

Why not Thai Engineers? (Stop sniggering!) Must it be Indian engineers  investigating MG incidents? Do Japanese engineers need to investigate Toyota malfunctions? 

Let me translate for you: The Chinese were covering up and removing evidence, so Beijing can start to scrub the Internet and remove any negative info about BYD.

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6 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Is asking for numbers/miles driven being bias? Good lord!

We agree that ICEs is more prone to fires than EVs, but the numbers are not as rosy as the EV industry is claiming. 

The numbers per mile driven were already given, as follows:

 

- 55 fires per 1.6 billion kilometres in ICE cars

 

- 5 fires per 1.6 billion kilometres in EV's

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/motoring/electric-vehicle-fires-less-common-but-still-problematic

 

I'd say those stats look fairly good for EV's.

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1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The numbers per mile driven were already given, as follows:

 

- 55 fires per 1.6 billion kilometres in ICE cars

 

- 5 fires per 1.6 billion kilometres in EV's

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/motoring/electric-vehicle-fires-less-common-but-still-problematic

 

I'd say those stats look fairly good for EV's.

Try to keep up, that is cherry ???? picking Tesla numbers only for EV fires Vs. all brand and vehicle types for ICE.

Let's see some honest stats for Chinese made EVs ????. You have those numbers?

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2 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Try to keep up, that is cherry ???? picking Tesla numbers only for EV fires Vs. all brand and vehicle types for ICE.

Let's see some honest stats for Chinese made EVs ????. You have those numbers?

Let me translate that to English for you

 

"I don't like those inconvenient stats, please provide stats that don't exist yet"

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4 hours ago, transam said:

I will try and find a vid on BYD and fires in China I watched a while back....????

Here are some links,

 

https://batteriesnews.com/7-battery-electric-cars-day-catch-fire-china-most-involved-brands/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqX8Cgax8wU&ab_channel=ThePaper澎湃新闻

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5sIm_JmB4&ab_channel=Velocity

 

https://www.wapcar.my/news/byds-blade-battery-is-supposed-to-be-the-safest-but-its-evs-are-still-going-up-in-flames-in-china--what-is-happening-71386

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/12y88k7/byd_blade_ev_batteries_catching_fire/

 

About 1,860,000 results (0.37 seconds) 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Here are some links,

 

https://batteriesnews.com/7-battery-electric-cars-day-catch-fire-china-most-involved-brands/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqX8Cgax8wU&ab_channel=ThePaper澎湃新闻

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5sIm_JmB4&ab_channel=Velocity

 

https://www.wapcar.my/news/byds-blade-battery-is-supposed-to-be-the-safest-but-its-evs-are-still-going-up-in-flames-in-china--what-is-happening-71386

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/12y88k7/byd_blade_ev_batteries_catching_fire/

 

About 1,860,000 results (0.37 seconds) 

 

 

Petrol car fires

About 9,060,000 results (0.47 seconds)

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35 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Try to keep up, that is cherry ???? picking Tesla numbers only for EV fires Vs. all brand and vehicle types for ICE.

Let's see some honest stats for Chinese made EVs ????. You have those numbers?

No I don't....  But, I am completely open minded on this.

 

As you've disagreed with every stat presented thus far - perhaps you could find something ?

 

So we are now looking for: 

 

ICE fires per 1,000,000 km travelled (or measurable metric)

EV fires per 1,000,000 km travelled (or measurable metric)

China made EV fires per 1,000,000 km travelled (or measurable metric)

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10 minutes ago, transam said:

Still in denial, plus the topic is EV's, you can't give a straight yes or no to a pertinent question regarding hybrids...............:ermm:

Well, if I was a bettin' man, I am at the casino, but playing the odds, considering the low number of BEV fires, vs ICEV fires, as not much argument there ...

 

... then concerning Hybrids, and cause of those fire, I'd wager most were from the ICE components vs the battery.

 

Spin that wheel ... ????

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