stevenl Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Who are you kidding? You’ve got nothing to say other than: 1. Israel = good 2. Palestine = evil 3. Anyone who disagrees = antisemite Very uninformed comment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory1848 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 49 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: You run in circles to avoid commenting on the reality that Israeli crimes against Palestinian’s increase the amount of antisemitism in the world. Not necessarily; as has been stated repeatedly, antisemitism existed long before the Israeli state, and crimes committed by the Israeli government do not lead one to hate Jewish people any more than crimes committed by the current Russian government lead one to hate Russian people. Antisemitism is simply hatred of Jewish people, whether driven by the need for a scapegoat, twisted religious notions, prodding by demagogues for political purposes, or just pure racism. When the Israeli government persecutes Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank, that doesn’t help matters, but it doesn’t drive people to suddenly become antisemitic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cory1848 said: Not necessarily; as has been stated repeatedly, antisemitism existed long before the Israeli state, and crimes committed by the Israeli government do not lead one to hate Jewish people any more than crimes committed by the current Russian government lead one to hate Russian people. Antisemitism is simply hatred of Jewish people, whether driven by the need for a scapegoat, twisted religious notions, prodding by demagogues for political purposes, or just pure racism. When the Israeli government persecutes Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank, that doesn’t help matters, but it doesn’t drive people to suddenly become antisemitic. Nor is any of it an excuse for Abbas’ deliberately offensive and inflammatory antisemitic statements. Regardless of some wishing it to be so. There is no excuse for antisemitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, JackGats said: Which has been known and repeated and taken as read thousands of time by now, but is neither here nor there. The issue is the Palestinian getting vilified for stating trivialities. I call B.S ! Your own post I was replying to suggested other reasons and failed to mention racial ideology. You have no defense for that and either does Abbas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cory1848 said: Not necessarily; as has been stated repeatedly, antisemitism existed long before the Israeli state, and crimes committed by the Israeli government do not lead one to hate Jewish people any more than crimes committed by the current Russian government lead one to hate Russian people. Antisemitism is simply hatred of Jewish people, whether driven by the need for a scapegoat, twisted religious notions, prodding by demagogues for political purposes, or just pure racism. When the Israeli government persecutes Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank, that doesn’t help matters, but it doesn’t drive people to suddenly become antisemitic. You overestimate the average person’s willingness and ability to bother with the intricacies and finer details. For the majority of people, for better or worse, the terms Israeli and Jew are 100% interchangeable. If Israel was a real partner for peace and genuine supporter of a fair two state solution do you think Abbas would be making these types of comments in public? If Israel’s actions are contributing to Abbas making public antisemitic comments which in turn increase the likelihood of others then becoming increasingly antisemitic then Israel’s actions are likely leading to more antisemitism in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Who are you kidding? You’ve got nothing to say other than: 1. Israel = good 2. Palestine = evil 3. Anyone who disagrees = antisemite You keep making up quotes and attributing them to other people . Once again, no one has said the above . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted September 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: For the majority of people, for better or worse, the terms Israeli and Jew are 100% interchangeable. Only those with no knowledge on the subject , those with some knowledge know that just 73 % of the Israeli population is Jewish and there are millions of non Israeli Jews in the World . (That is a reason why I cannot be bothered to discuss the Israel/Palestinian problem online , as they are so many people giving an opinion who have absolutely no knowledge of the subject and you need to explain the basics the them) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: You overestimate the average person’s willingness and ability to bother with the intricacies and finer details. For the majority of people, for better or worse, the terms Israeli and Jew are 100% interchangeable. If Israel was a real partner for peace and genuine supporter of a fair two state solution do you think Abbas would be making these types of comments in public? If Israel’s actions are contributing to Abbas making public antisemitic comments which in turn increase the likelihood of others then becoming increasingly antisemitic then Israel’s actions are likely leading to more antisemitism in the world. For the record Jewish people and Israel are NOT interchangeable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Some posts in violation of our Community Standards have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: I have yet to see a post here where someone has come out and said “I hate Jews” yet you’ve labelled how many here antisemitic? Its you who keeps saying the words " anti-Semitic" and the answer to your question is 0 /zero , no one . I haven't labelled anyone here as being anti Semitic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jingthing said: For the record Jewish people and Israel are NOT interchangeable. This thread has descended into farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: This thread has descended into farce. Look in the mirror. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: This thread has descended into farce. Factual statements are a farce ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackGats Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 So many people just cannot stop milking the Hitler vs Jews virtue-signalling cow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, JackGats said: So many people just cannot stop milking the Hitler vs Jews virtue-signalling cow. Stay classy with the vice signalling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liddelljohn Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 9:04 AM, Chomper Higgot said: Do you agree that Abass’ comments provide political capital for the extremists in Israel? oh yes , but they dont need any help fascist jews the same s fascist muslims or facist bhuddists , fascist christians and hindu's look at Modi all the same type of <deleted> all nazis and power mad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, liddelljohn said: oh yes , but they dont need any help fascist jews the same s fascist muslims or facist bhuddists , fascist christians and hindu's look at Modi all the same type of <deleted> all nazis and power mad Not all fascists are Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/15/2023 at 9:46 AM, Jingthing said: Not all fascists are Nazis. That’s exactly where fascism leads though. https://www.timesofisrael.com/tel-aviv-mayor-warns-israel-heading-toward-a-fascist-theocracy/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said: That’s exactly where fascism leads though. https://www.timesofisrael.com/tel-aviv-mayor-warns-israel-heading-toward-a-fascist-theocracy/amp/ We should have a thread in that. If you send a link to the Forum news team they might put it up for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: We should have a thread in that. If you send a link to the Forum news team they might put it up for you. Why would I do that? I am inclusive by nature so starting threads that you’d be too afraid to comment in goes against my principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Why would I do that? I am inclusive by nature so starting threads that you’d be too afraid to comment in goes against my principles. If there is a thread in the subject of extremism in Israel I’ll certainly comment. Why would I not, I have in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: If there is a thread in the subject of extremism in Israel I’ll certainly comment. Why would I not, I have in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said: That’s exactly where fascism leads though. https://www.timesofisrael.com/tel-aviv-mayor-warns-israel-heading-toward-a-fascist-theocracy/amp/ Again Nazis are not the only flavor of fascism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Again Nazis are not the only flavor of fascism. True, but they are the top tier fascists and thus the final destination for all those that embark on that journey (as Israel has). Ducklings don’t grow up to be swans. Edited September 17, 2023 by MrMojoRisin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: True, but they are the top tier fascists and thus the final destination for all those that embark on that journey (as Israel has). Ducklings don’t grow up to be swans. I reject your point. Israel, the USA, Russia, Hungary, etc. may be headed towards or at fascism but there is no nation state headed towards Nazism. It's a classic and disgusting antisemitic trope to suggest an equivalence between Israel and Nazis. Hopefully you aren't fooling anyone with such perverted games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 55 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: True, but they are the top tier fascists and thus the final destination for all those that embark on that journey (as Israel has). Ducklings don’t grow up to be swans. Why do you think that Israel is a fascist Country ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I reject your point. Israel, the USA, Russia, Hungary, etc. may be headed towards or at fascism but there is no nation state headed towards Nazism. It's a classic and disgusting antisemitic trope to suggest an equivalence between Israel and Nazis. Hopefully you aren't fooling anyone with such perverted games. Ducklings don’t grow up to be swans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why do you think that Israel is a fascist Country ? Did you read the link provided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, stevenl said: Did you read the link provided? I was asking the posters opinion and HIS reasons for making the statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Why do you think that Israel is a fascist Country ? A better question would be “Why does former Israeli PM Ehud Barak believe the Israeli government is showing signs of fascism?” https://www.timesofisrael.com/ehud-barak-govt-shows-signs-of-fascism-mass-non-violent-revolt-may-be-needed/amp/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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