Evidence of DNA Contamination in Pfizer Vaccine

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And it turns out, the second listed author of the above paper, Jessica Rose, also has quite a history of involvement in peddling COVID vaccine misinformation:

 

Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims

"The website credits the findings to Jessica Rose, who was a postdoctoral researcher in biology at the Israel Institute of Technology from 2016-20, according to her resume posted online (here). ...

 

The blog article cites a paper titled: “Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America” (here), which Rose co-authored alongside Mathew Crawford, a statistician (here). Both appear to be members of a group questioning COVID-19 vaccines."

...

VERDICT

False. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and there is no evidence to suggest they have caused more than 150,000 deaths. The claim is based on misinterpreted data.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-suggest-covid-19-vaccines-killed-150000-people-as-analysis-claims-idUSL1N2R00KP

 

AND

As 2021 shambles to a close, the misuse of VAERS by antivaxxers continues apace

"So I thought I should write about Jessica Rose now, as she appears in an article from Sunday titled “What the VAERS Data Tell Us About COVID Jab Safety“.

...

"this interview with Jessica Rose illustrates the various techniques used by antivaxxers like Mercola (and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who has had a regular weekly “update” of VAERS reporting for several months now) and thus is worth writing about again, given that Jessica Rose appears to be a rising star in the antivaccine movement and a veritable font of antivaccine disinformation..."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/as-2021-shambles-to-a-close-the-misuse-of-vaers-by-antivaxxers-continues-apace/

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

@TallGuyJohninBKK - It's tell-tale that you attempt to discredit David Speicher (MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University) because he is a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance.

 

In May 2023 the CCCA published a 21-page report titled

The Building Case Against COVID-19 Vaccination of Students in Canada

 

< source: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf >

 

in which they "strongly recommend against any future mandates of COVID-19 vaccination of students in primary, secondary and post-secondary schools and institutions".

 

The Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee that authored that study consists of 18 Authors, of which 13 are University Professors.

• Byram Bridle, MSc, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph
• Philip Britz-McKibbin, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, McMaster University
• Glenn Chan, BAA, Patient Advocate
• Claudia Chaufan, MA, MD, PhD, Associate Professor, Health Policy, York University
• John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC (retired)
• Ondrej Helgas, MSc, PhD
• York Hsiang, MB, MHSc, FRCSC, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Surgery, University of British Columbia
• Niel Karrow, PhD, Professor of Immunology, Dept. of Animal Biosciences, University of Guelph
• Bonnie Mallard, Msc, PhD, Professor of Immunogenetics, Dept. of Pathobiology, University of Guelph
• Kanji Nakatsu, PhD, Professor Emeritus Pharmacology, Queen's University
• Susan Natsheh, MD, Pediatrician (retired)
• Philip Oldfield, DPhil, CSci, CChem, FRSC (UK) (retired)
• Steven Pelech, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Medicine, University of British Columbia
• Patrick Provost, PhD, Professor, Faculty of Medicine, Université Laval
• Denis Rancourt, PhD, Former Professor, University of Ottawa
• Wendi Roscoe, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Health Science at Fanshawe College
• Christopher A. Shaw, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of British Columbia
• David Speicher, MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University

[rattlesnake]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:04 AM, Red Phoenix said:

@TallGuyJohninBKK - It's tell-tale that you attempt to discredit David Speicher (MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University) because he is a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance.

In May 2023 the CCCA published a 21-page report titled

The Building Case Against COVID-19 Vaccination of Students in Canada

< source: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf >

in which they "strongly recommend against any future mandates of COVID-19 vaccination of students in primary, secondary and post-secondary schools and institutions".

The Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee that authored that study consists of 18 Authors, of which 13 are University Professors.

• Byram Bridle, MSc, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph
• Philip Britz-McKibbin, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, McMaster University
• Glenn Chan, BAA, Patient Advocate
• Claudia Chaufan, MA, MD, PhD, Associate Professor, Health Policy, York University
• John Hardie, BDS, MSc, PhD, FRCDC (retired)
• Ondrej Helgas, MSc, PhD
• York Hsiang, MB, MHSc, FRCSC, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Surgery, University of British Columbia
• Niel Karrow, PhD, Professor of Immunology, Dept. of Animal Biosciences, University of Guelph
• Bonnie Mallard, Msc, PhD, Professor of Immunogenetics, Dept. of Pathobiology, University of Guelph
• Kanji Nakatsu, PhD, Professor Emeritus Pharmacology, Queen's University
• Susan Natsheh, MD, Pediatrician (retired)
• Philip Oldfield, DPhil, CSci, CChem, FRSC (UK) (retired)
• Steven Pelech, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Medicine, University of British Columbia
• Patrick Provost, PhD, Professor, Faculty of Medicine, Université Laval
• Denis Rancourt, PhD, Former Professor, University of Ottawa
• Wendi Roscoe, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Health Science at Fanshawe College
• Christopher A. Shaw, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Ophthalmology, University of British Columbia
• David Speicher, MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University

 

No response by the provax cultists, of course. It's best to just close your eyes, cover your ears and go "la la la".

[dhupverg]

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

No response by the provax cultists, of course. It's best to just close your eyes, cover your ears and go "la la la".

Shills are going to keep shilling, no matter what evidence is presented.  If good evidence is presented, it will be from a " not a credible source" or " not allowed source" or else a "fact check says it's not true".  All three excuses have been used ad naseum here.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

No further response is required....

 

The best the above posters can do is continually present dubious claims by sources with documented histories of peddling COVID misinformation, and/or people associated with organizations with documented histories of peddling COVID misinformation.

 

As a result, their claims are and should be judged in that context and the sources recognized for what they have shown themselves to be -- non-credible.

 

 

[Eleftheros]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No further response is required....

 

The best the above posters can do is continually present dubious claims by sources with documented histories of peddling COVID misinformation, and/or people associated with organizations with documented histories of peddling COVID misinformation.

 

As a result, their claims are and should be judged in that context and the sources recognized for what they have shown themselves to be -- non-credible.

 

 

Yes, it's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it?

 

I post absolute truth as determined by the government
You post things from non-credible sources
He is a purveyor of dangerous misinformation

[watthong]

4 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Yes, it's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it?

 

I post absolute truth as determined by the government
You post things from non-credible sources
He is a purveyor of dangerous misinformation

 

Yes, when there's no arguments left/no legs to stand on, there's always the alphabet and("those irregular verbs"). Don't forget the kitchen sink and left over spaghetti also. Try harder.

Edited October 28, 2023 by watthong

[gargamon]

I'm too lazy to read all this nonsense, so sorry if this has been posted already: https://news.yahoo.com/false-claims-recirculate-harmful-dna-184043727.html

 

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the shots -- and even if there were, experts say they could not alter cells.

 

The claims circulated after University of South Carolina biologist Phillip Buckhaults appeared before a state panel September 13, 2023 to discuss his research on messenger RNA (mRNA) Covid-19 vaccines.

 

[Red Phoenix]

On 10/28/2023 at 12:57 PM, gargamon said:

I'm too lazy to read all this nonsense, so sorry if this has been posted already: https://news.yahoo.com/false-claims-recirculate-harmful-dna-184043727.html

 

Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer. This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the shots -- and even if there were, experts say they could not alter cells.

 

The claims circulated after University of South Carolina biologist Phillip Buckhaults appeared before a state panel September 13, 2023 to discuss his research on messenger RNA (mRNA) Covid-19 vaccines.

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Depends on which experts you rely to dismiss the possibility of alteration of the human genome.

 

A common sense approach re this matter would be to urgently start studies to find out if any of this DNA got integrated into any human genomes.

 

In addition to testing a lot more vials, filling in the data gaps for the dose response curve to prove causal effects of DNA:SAEs (if they exist), we need to test injected people’s stem cells and germ line cells for integration of any of this DNA. Once it is proven in a large enough sample of injected individuals that integration did not occur, we can finally breathe a sigh of relief...

 

[gargamon]

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Depends on which experts you rely to dismiss the possibility of alteration of the human genome.

A common sense approach re this matter would be to urgently start studies to find out if any of this DNA got integrated into any human genomes.

My experts don't post on social media. 

[Danderman123]

On 10/24/2023 at 2:38 PM, Red Phoenix said:

A new preprint study was issued Thursday last week by McKernan, Rose and others, providing more evidence of COVID-19 vaccine contamination in vials from Ontario, Canada.

The title of the study speaks for itself:

DNA fragments detected in monovalent and bivalent Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna modRNA COVID-19 vaccines from Ontario, Canada: Exploratory dose response relationship with serious adverse events.

https://osf.io/mjc97/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

As long as the same unsourced samples are examined, the results will be the same.

 

Meanwhile, vials all over the world are examined, and no DNA is found.

[Danderman123]

On 10/25/2023 at 8:04 AM, Red Phoenix said:

@TallGuyJohninBKK - It's tell-tale that you attempt to discredit David Speicher (MSc, PhD, Former Associate Professor, Biology and Health Sciences – Redeemer University) because he is a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance.

In May 2023 the CCCA published a 21-page report titled

The Building Case Against COVID-19 Vaccination of Students in Canada

< source: https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/23MY3_Case-against-C19-vaccine-requirements.pdf >

 

That's five minutes of my life wasted.

 

These authors miss the point - university students indeed rarely die from Covid, but they do get infected and pass it along to people who die. That's why vaccination is required to stem an epidemic.

[Red Phoenix]

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

As long as the same unsourced samples are examined, the results will be the same.

Meanwhile, vials all over the world are examined, and no DNA is found.

~

Source please that "Meanwhile, vials all over the world are examined, and no DNA is found."

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

That's five minutes of my life wasted.

 

These authors miss the point - university students indeed rarely die from Covid, but they do get infected and pass it along to people who die. That's why vaccination is required to stem an epidemic.

~

These authors miss the point???

Danderman123 vs 18 academics of which 13 University professors. 

 

[owl sees all]

On 10/28/2023 at 1:59 PM, Danderman123 said:

That's five minutes of my life wasted.

 

These authors miss the point - university students indeed rarely die from Covid, but they do get infected and pass it along to people who die. That's why vaccination is required to stem an epidemic.

 

Safe and effective? Thought that had been debunked by the jab makers.

 

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

~

These authors miss the point???

Danderman123 vs 18 academics of which 13 University professors. 

 

We all know that argument by authority fails when the quoted authorities ignore basic science.

[Red Phoenix]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

We all know that argument by authority fails when the quoted authorities ignore basic science.

~

Do provide a source with examples where these 18 University professors and academics are 'ignoring basic science'. 

Edited October 28, 2023 by Red Phoenix

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

As long as the same unsourced samples are examined, the results will be the same.

Meanwhile, vials all over the world are examined, and no DNA is found.

~

Anxiously waiting for the credible source of that nugget you quoted that 'vials all over the world are examined, and no DNA is found.' 

Deafening silence, because it is obvious that you made that up. 

 

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[rabas]

17 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The study was performed on 27 vials coming from 12 lots, and ALL vaccines exceeded the guidelines for residual DNA by a factor of 188 to 509-fold.

"Methods: Using previously published primer and probe sequences, quantitative polymerase chain reaction (qPCR) and Qubit® fluorometry was performed on an additional 27 mRNA vials obtained in Canada and drawn from 12 unique lots (5 lots of Moderna child/adult monovalent, 1 lot of Moderna adult bivalent BA.4/5, 1 lot of Moderna child/adult bivalent BA.1, 1 lot of Moderna XBB.1.5 monovalent, 3 lots of Pfizer adult monovalent, and 1 lot of Pfizer adult bivalent BA.4/5)."

"Conclusion: These data demonstrate the presence of billions to hundreds of billions of DNA molecules per dose in these vaccines. Using fluorometry, all vaccines exceed the guidelines for residual DNA set by FDA and WHO of 10 ng/dose by 188 – 509-fold."

No, that's not the conclusion.

 

It's a sound byte from the conclusion, which isolated from the rest becomes disinformation. Let me explain(which perhaps you should have done).

 

1. They measured DNA concentrations two ways, qPCR and florescence.

2. Florescence is a cheap easy way.

3. PCR is most sensitive, as low as picogram quantities! [reference]

 

Their florescence measurements were off the charts, 100s X over limit.

Their qPCR  measurements were normal, below set limits.

 

Therefore they used qPCR to present their data, below:

The dotted red line at the top is the FDA limit, all measurements are below.

 

This graph shows little, not even good correlation with problematic VAERS. 

 

Note: there are various scientific principles related to the different concentration measurements and the difference remains unresolved. One point is that tiny busted up pieces are not easily detected by PCR but they're likely harmless as they've lost their genetic message.

 

Still, it is a worthy subject to pursue, but not as disinformation.

Edited November 9, 2023 by rabas

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

False claims recirculate on harmful DNA in Covid-19 vaccines

04 October 2023

 

"Scientists have repeatedly refuted the claim that Covid-19 vaccines can alter a person's genome, but social media posts suggest DNA contamination in the injections could lead to harmful effects such as cancer.

 

This is false; there is no evidence of significant amounts of genetic material in the shots -- and even if there were, experts say they could not alter cells."

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.33WW3U6

 

 

[rabas]

21 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

"Conclusion: These data demonstrate the presence of billions to hundreds of billions of DNA molecules per dose in these vaccines. Using fluorometry, all vaccines exceed the guidelines for residual DNA set by FDA and WHO of 10 ng/dose by 188 – 509-fold."

 

'billions to hundreds of billions of DNA molecules per dose'

 

To help readers, how much is billions?  To make it easy, do you know how many DNA molecules (base pairs) are in a human cell?  Should be easy to look up... 

 

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