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22 minutes ago, ravip said:

How was Israel caught totally unawares on this incident?

Any logical explanation?

 

Mostly hubris, being too complacent, and falling for Hamas masquerade.

 

Apparently there were warning - from Egypt, for example. And some signs were detected the night before the attack, but underestimated it's scope.

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Just now, ravip said:

Problem is, in this situation how to separate the two - if not, perfect solution.

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Morch said:

Get back to reality - the recent casualty lists more of less evened just now. There is no 'extermination' of over two million civilians, other than in hyperbole posts. There is no policy announced by Israel to that effect, and if there was you'd see international support withdrawn. That's not the case.

 

The Stern Gang was not mainstream. Even the Irgun wasn't mainstream. Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything.

"Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything"

I find the words of an earlier poster appropriate : mealy mouthed.

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5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

With terrorism, nothing is predictable.

Like mushrooms, different groups popup in the least expected moments/places.

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10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

Or maybe you should educate yourself about Palestinian politics, their ongoing internal divide, and Palestinian public opinion trends. On the other hand, much easier to spout nonsense posts....

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12 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

"Shamir was elected Prime Minister many many years after events - not right away or anything"

I find the words of an earlier poster appropriate : mealy mouthed.

That's entirely up to you. I don't think it was a worthy appointment, if that matters. I do realize that it is not unusual for former leaders of such organizations to, over time, become politicians and leaders. Israel tolerated Arafat as the Palestinian leader, and many of the current Palestinian leadership could be faulted along similar lines.

 

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2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

so u belive Hamas is justifed in killing babys , as Hamas is the goverment of the Palestine people  you are a sick person

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

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5 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

Since we are talking about Gaza, please describe how settlers drove Gazans from their homes in Gaza.

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25 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Right, and also how to stop a similar group forming in the future. 

Maybe the US guy talking to The President o Palestine today could suggest eh outlaw Hamas and lock all of them up if they refuse. Surely, the good people of Palestine are growing to hate Hamas. 

 

 

The President of the Palestinian Authority has zero control over Hamas. PA forces in Gaza were removed a long time ago.

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1 minute ago, kalasiner said:

Please learn to read: the title of this thread is "Israel Is At War !".

I was responding to this post:

 

18 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

Sick is to make baseless accusations against a poster without any justification or a shred of evidence.

So you believe the settlers, many from the USA and Russia, are justified in driving Palestinians from their lands and homes which they have occupied for many generations

This thread is about Israel's war with Hamas in Gaza. No idea why you are dragging the West Bank Palestinians into it.

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Of course, the Palestinian situation is complex, but it's less understandable if you conflate Gaza with the West Bank, they are separate problems.

 

The Gazans don't want to be ruled by the Palestinian Authority, they want to be a separate state. Fortunately,  they don't suffer incursions from Israeli settlers. The Gaza problem is that Hamas is focused on destroying Israel, rather than improving the lives of people in Gaza.

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ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

 

Israel has always been at war. A people that are throughly and tita6 incompatible with other tribes and ethnicities. They work at it.

 

Blame UK/US that land should have never been given to those white Europeans.

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17 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Of course, the Palestinian situation is complex, but it's less understandable if you conflate Gaza with the West Bank, they are separate problems.

 

The Gazans don't want to be ruled by the Palestinian Authority, they want to be a separate state. Fortunately,  they don't suffer incursions from Israeli settlers. The Gaza problem is that Hamas is focused on destroying Israel, rather than improving the lives of people in Gaza.

Ummm....no.

 

The political divide is not quite a geographic one as you present. There are Hamas supporters in the West Bank, and PA supporters in the Gaza Strip. Both get face occasional harassment and prosecution from the respective powers in control.

 

To the best of my knowledge, there is no such popular Palestinian desire for separate states (as in the West Bank and Gaza Strip). On the contrary, events in one area often cause reactions in the other. The issue is more political in nature, and by now, also of maintaining power and control.

 

To add, it's been years since elections were held among Palestinians. So, in effect, the Palestinian people do not have a direct say even with regard to their own leaderships decisions and policies.

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