Thorgal Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Morch said: Netanyahu' social media team often fails like that. Nothing new. Like Trump, Netanyahu surrounds himself with the 'best' people. Loyalty more important than abilities and skills. Most of his cabinet appointments similar. I agree with you. I witness this lack of abilities and skills of the Netanyahu social media team that you just mentioned everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: What more bizarre is that so many believed Hamas that there were 800 killed by a bomb from Israel, just minutes after it happened The initial number reported killed was between 300-500 my understanding is the final total is 471 Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The initial number reported killed was between 300-500 my understanding is the final total is 471 Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 You missed my link, 800. Hamas was spreading many lies that they walked back. US Intelligence Estimates 100-300 Killed In Gaza Hospital Strike Edited October 20, 2023 by Bkk Brian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: You missed my link, 800. Hamas was spreading many lies that they walked back. US Intelligence Estimates 100-300 Killed In Gaza Hospital Strike bizarre again there are only 5 posts on this forum that have 800 in the content and none of them provide a media link where 800 is mentioned 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Thorgal said: Army expert Lt. General Mark Hartley his testimony is not in line with the 2 Hamas Operatives audio tape provided by the IDF (see page 97 at the bottom from @BKK Brian). Do you accept the audio tape is real? 1. The IDF did record Hamas. 2. The Hamas operatives are not lying. Yes or no. Then we can address other points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The initial number reported killed was between 300-500 my understanding is the final total is 471 Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 To note that the 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North is actually are minimum figure. The highest peak of refugees was 5.000 to 6.000 refugees from Gaza-North but they have been divided earlier to 17/10 to other "safe" locations. The 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North were sleeping on the 2 separated gardens of the parking lot of the hospital. As per Muslim customs/culture there was one garden for all men together and the other garden for women and children only. More people were also sleeping during the blast alongside the parking (can be seen with the mattresses) and in the Church on the same compound. Huge coincidence : the 2 gardens are separated with a path/road where the impact of the blast is located. - the supposed Hamas misfire could not have been located in a worst place - JDAM accuracy is +90% within radius of 3 m as per GPS coordinates The hospital has only 80 beds and the main building is only used for medical care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, vinny41 said: bizarre again there are only 5 posts on this forum that have 800 in the content and none of them provide a media link where 800 is mentioned This is a media link: I could have added that the a senior European intelligence source estimates only 50 killed Now I already know your love of the term bizarre, try something else.......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: To note that the 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North is actually are minimum figure. The highest peak of refugees was 5.000 to 6.000 refugees from Gaza-North but they have been divided earlier to 17/10 to other "safe" locations. The 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North were sleeping on the 2 separated gardens of the parking lot of the hospital. As per Muslim customs/culture there was one garden for all men together and the other garden for women and children only. More people were also sleeping during the blast alongside the parking (can be seen with the mattresses) and in the Church on the same compound. Huge coincidence : the 2 gardens are separated with a path/road where the impact of the blast is located. - the supposed Hamas misfire could not have been located in a worst place - JDAM accuracy is +90% within radius of 3 m as per GPS coordinates The hospital has only 80 beds and the main building is only used for medical care. The Hospital was hit last Saturday I’ve been speaking to Canon Richard Sewell who is Dean of St George’s College - one of the Anglican Church’s top figures in Jerusalem. He says church officials understand that around 6,000 displaced people were sheltering in the hospital courtyard by the end of last week. The hospital says it was first hit by an Israeli airstrike on Saturday. That strike injured four people, after which around 5,000 people left the courtyard - leaving around 1,000 remaining there. 20:06 17 Oct Al Ahli hospital 'totally independent' of Gaza political factions https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233 So yes before last Saturday there was 6,000 displaced people were sheltering in the hospital courtyard but after the 1st airstrike 5,000 moved to other locations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Thorgal said: To note that the 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North is actually are minimum figure. The highest peak of refugees was 5.000 to 6.000 refugees from Gaza-North but they have been divided earlier to 17/10 to other "safe" locations. The 1.000 refugees from Gaza-North were sleeping on the 2 separated gardens of the parking lot of the hospital. As per Muslim customs/culture there was one garden for all men together and the other garden for women and children only. More people were also sleeping during the blast alongside the parking (can be seen with the mattresses) and in the Church on the same compound. Huge coincidence : the 2 gardens are separated with a path/road where the impact of the blast is located. - the supposed Hamas misfire could not have been located in a worst place - JDAM accuracy is +90% within radius of 3 m as per GPS coordinates The hospital has only 80 beds and the main building is only used for medical care. Not clear where you draw all them figures and details from. An Israeli bomb would not leave the building largely intact as seen in many current images. Same for cars. And there would be a significant crater. All this have been covered. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiFelix Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 IDF just announced they have green light for ground invasion of Gaza. This will be a very different style of war door to door not US style shooting from a protected distance, but hand to hand. This is exactly what Hamas planned and have been preparing for months. This is viet cong style guerrila fighting. The same fighting where peasants defeat supposed superpowers. Those poor kids in khaki will be dropping like flies if they dont run away first. The biggest threat is that Hamas have nothing to lose. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danderman123 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 53 minutes ago, vinny41 said: bizarre that someone that works directly for Benjamin Netanyahu relies on media outlet reporting rather than internal Israeli government sources People are human, and sometimes make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Morch said: Not clear where you draw all them figures and details from. An Israeli bomb would not leave the building largely intact as seen in many current images. Same for cars. And there would be a significant crater. All this have been covered. Then Israelis rebuilt the hospital overnight and hid all the bodies. Edited October 20, 2023 by Bkk Brian for those unaware, this is a sarcasm alert 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said: IDF just announced they have green light for ground invasion of Gaza. This will be a very different style of war door to door not US style shooting from a protected distance, but hand to hand. This is exactly what Hamas planned and have been preparing for months. This is viet cong style guerrila fighting. The same fighting where peasants defeat supposed superpowers. Those poor kids in khaki will be dropping like flies if they dont run away first. The biggest threat is that Hamas have nothing to lose. Link to first statement? Maybe missed it but haven't seen on local media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: This is a media link: I could have added that the a senior European intelligence source estimates only 50 killed Now I already know your love of the term bizarre, try something else.......... Its only Israel media outlets that are using the 50 killed from an unamed senior European intelligence source Its similar to Israeli Ambassador To U.K. Says There's 'No Humanitarian Crisis' In Gaza https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-ambassador-u-k-says-145031385.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danderman123 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The initial number reported killed was between 300-500 my understanding is the final total is 471 Canon Richard Sewell, the dean of St George's College in Jerusalem, told the BBC that about 1,000 displaced people were sheltering in the courtyard when it was hit, and about 600 patients and staff were inside the building. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061 Since the damage from the failed rocket was mostly heat related (the cars are burned but not crumpled from a blast), most people in the parking lot would have been incinerated - there would have been charred skeletons all over. And since the rocket hit at 19.00, not too many people would have been sleeping. Not to mention, the rocket was falling slowly (200 km/h) from altitude, giving some people time to get away from Ground Zero. A misfiring rocket over your head is definitely noticeable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, rabas said: Do you accept the audio tape is real? 1. The IDF did record Hamas. 2. The Hamas operatives are not lying. Yes or no. Then we can address other points. Please check my previous post in which my facts have been given. The US Lt. Gen. as CNN analyst could not provide corroborative evidence to the IDF audio tape. Basic mechanics and physics law have also been contradicted (violated). The limited radius between the (boomerang)-rocket launcher and the place of impact is impossible to achieve with the velocity of the rocket and the height of pulverization seen on the live video footage. Case closed for me. Thanks. Edited October 20, 2023 by Thorgal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thorgal said: Case closed for me. Thanks. Bye then 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just now, Thorgal said: Please check my previous post in which my fact have been given. The US Lt. Gen. as CNN analyst could not provide corroborative evidence to the IDF audio tape. Basic mechanics and physics law have also been contradicted (violated). The limited radius between the (boomerang)-rocket launcher and the place of impact is impossible to achieve with the velocity of the rocket and the height of pulverization seen on the live video footage. Case closed for me. Thanks. Because you know little about rocket science. And no, there was no boomerang rocket, unlike the August 6, 2022 mishap. The rocket in question was on a long distance trajectory, so it was fired almost straight up. After the motor failed, it dropped near the launch site, which happened to be the parking lot. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Its only Israel media outlets that are using the 50 killed from an unamed senior European intelligence source Its similar to Israeli Ambassador To U.K. Says There's 'No Humanitarian Crisis' In Gaza https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-ambassador-u-k-says-145031385.html You're not doing very well here are you, you never followed my link again, its originally from AFP via https://www.barrons.com/news/us-intelligence-estimates-100-300-killed-in-gaza-hospital-strike-ed29fb1b Another clarification for you while I'm here. The US estimate is at low end of the 100-to-300 spectrum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said: Since the damage from the failed rocket was mostly heat related (the cars are burned but not crumpled from a blast), most people in the parking lot would have been incinerated - there would have been charred skeletons all over. And since the rocket hit at 19.00, not too many people would have been sleeping. Not to mention, the rocket was falling slowly (200 km/h) from altitude, giving some people time to get away from Ground Zero. A misfiring rocket over your head is definitely noticeable. I don't think the time makes any difference these people are displaced nowhere to go pointless popping out to a restaurant that doesn't have any food or water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: You're not doing very well here are you, you never followed my link again, its originally from AFP via https://www.barrons.com/news/us-intelligence-estimates-100-300-killed-in-gaza-hospital-strike-ed29fb1b Another clarification for you while I'm here. The US estimate is at low end of the 100-to-300 spectrum. Who cares what the US estimate are they on the ground are they counting bodies simply answer is NO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Thorgal said: Please check my previous post in which my fact have been given. The US Lt. Gen. as CNN analyst could not provide corroborative evidence to the IDF audio tape. Basic mechanics and physics law have also been contradicted (violated). The limited radius between the (boomerang)-rocket launcher and the place of impact is impossible to achieve with the velocity of the rocket and the height of pulverization seen on the live video footage. Case closed for me. Thanks. So you post the recording between two supposed Hamas operatives as corroboration of your already disproved theories. When asked directly if you think it is real, you deflect and refuse to answer. May the court enter into the record... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: Who cares what the US estimate are they on the ground are they counting bodies simply answer is NO Lets wind back a little first before you deflect, you claimed that only Israel media was reporting that a senior European intelligence source said only 50 were killed. That is not true, it was AFP, do you accept that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, vinny41 said: The Hospital was hit last Saturday I’ve been speaking to Canon Richard Sewell who is Dean of St George’s College - one of the Anglican Church’s top figures in Jerusalem. He says church officials understand that around 6,000 displaced people were sheltering in the hospital courtyard by the end of last week. The hospital says it was first hit by an Israeli airstrike on Saturday. That strike injured four people, after which around 5,000 people left the courtyard - leaving around 1,000 remaining there. 20:06 17 Oct Al Ahli hospital 'totally independent' of Gaza political factions https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67119233 So yes before last Saturday there was 6,000 displaced people were sheltering in the hospital courtyard but after the 1st airstrike 5,000 moved to other locations Thanks for your input. Really appreciated. I saw these same figures (1.000 and 6.000) from the French Roman Catholic media. (I will try to find it back). It also said that the hospital vicinity was also bombed by IDF previously after 7th of October. The house of the Hospital director was hit. Oldest Church in Gaza dating from 1160 (Built by Crusaders) has been completely destroyed yesterday by IDF bombing. The church was under Greek Orthodox supervision. Here again : many casualties with refugees from Gaza-North. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12651567/Gaza-Greek-Orthodox-hit-Hamas-Israel.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgal Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, vinny41 said: I don't think the time makes any difference these people are displaced nowhere to go pointless popping out to a restaurant that doesn't have any food or water Same with hospitals. The hospitals from Gaza-North can't be logistically moved to the south of Gaza. You need empty receiving hospitals, special equipped ambulances and dedicated medic teams, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Lets wind back a little first before you deflect, you claimed that only Israel media was reporting that a senior European intelligence source said only 50 were killed. That is not true, it was AFP, do you accept that? A senior European intelligence source tells AFP that he believes a maximum of 50 people were killed in the blast at the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on Tuesday. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/european-intelligence-source-tells-afp-a-maximum-of-50-killed-in-gaza-hospital/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, vinny41 said: A senior European intelligence source tells AFP that he believes a maximum of 50 people were killed in the blast at the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza on Tuesday. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/european-intelligence-source-tells-afp-a-maximum-of-50-killed-in-gaza-hospital/ Again you fail to address your claim which was: "Its only Israel media outlets that are using the 50 killed from an unamed senior European intelligence source" The United States' death toll estimate is higher than the 50 people that a senior European intelligence source previously told AFP he believed had been killed. https://www.barrons.com/news/us-intelligence-estimates-100-300-killed-in-gaza-hospital-strike-ed29fb1b The link above proves that is not true do you accept that? Before I then move on to your other statements Edited October 20, 2023 by Bkk Brian 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danderman123 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, vinny41 said: I don't think the time makes any difference these people are displaced nowhere to go pointless popping out to a restaurant that doesn't have any food or water If you look at photos of Ground Zero, you can see: the parking lot is small the actual burned area is smaller The idea that 500 people were killed there is ludicrous. Based on the burned area, *if* it was packed, maybe Islamic Jihad killed 100 Gazans. Edited October 20, 2023 by Danderman123 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Danderman123 said: If you look at photos of Ground Zero, you can see: the parking lot is small the actual burned area is smaller The idea that 500 people were killed there is ludicrous. Hamas never let the truth get in the way of a good propaganda op, roll out the sad looking kiddies and wailing women! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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