Neeranam Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: But there (apparently) were rockets being fired from next to the church, No, it was much worse. So, Palestine is guilty of war crimes, yes? Apparently? Yes, a terrorist attack is maybe worse than some war crimes. Probably. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Do you agree Israel is committing war crimes? If not, I'd love to hear why! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: First sentence talks about "...the occupied Gaza Strip..", The Gaza has not been occupied for 15-20 years, so no, why would I bother reading it, much less agree with it? ?? I guess you say Israel is not breaking war law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 So the Gaza Strip isn't occupied? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Neeranam said: ?? I guess you say Israel is not breaking war law? Which "war law" is Israel breaking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Apparently? Yes, unlike you, I do not state as fact things I am unsure of. Israel claims they were shooting at a nearby hamas site and missed. I have no reason to not believe them. Israel gains nothing by bombing a church full of civilians and looses a lot. 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Yes, a terrorist attack is maybe worse than some war crimes. Absolutely worse than any war crime. 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Probably. 2 wrongs don't make a right. Wow, that's really strong. 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Do you agree Israel is committing war crimes? If not, I'd love to hear why! I think some of the strikes could be judged war crimes. Unlike hamas/Paelstine, I do not think they are intestinally committing war crimes continuously. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Neeranam said: So the Gaza Strip isn't occupied? Correct 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Is bombing churches one of their obligations? Do you agree this is a war crime? Saw a very sad video of one man whose 3 children were killed here. 39 minutes ago, rabas said: How to say you didn't listen without saying it? Post off topic propaganda video from youtube. Paid for by the government that shelters the head of Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Saint_Porphyrius_airstrike#Airstrike "In an initial statement the IDF stated that Israeli fighter jets had hit a nearby command and control centre that was being used by Hamas to attack Israel". Israel seems to have taken responsibility for the attack. Whether or not it violated international law is investigated. I'd say that's a tad better than the Palestinians denials in the hospital case. Mistakes happen - question is how they are addressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Neeranam said: There are no tickets fired from the church. The terrorist attack was not a war crime. Firing rockets from residential areas probably is a war crime. "The terrorist attack was not a war crime. " Yes. It was. You're out there on your own with that one, Tonto. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Yes, unlike you, I do not state as fact things I am unsure of. Israel claims they were shooting at a nearby hamas site and missed. I have no reason to not believe them. Israel gains nothing by bombing a church full of civilians and looses a lot. Absolutely worse than any war crime. Wow, that's really strong. I think some of the strikes could be judged war crimes. Unlike hamas/Paelstine, I do not think they are intestinally committing war crimes continuously. 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Yes, unlike you, I do not state as fact things I am unsure of. Israel claims they were shooting at a nearby hamas site and missed. I have no reason to not believe them. Israel gains nothing by bombing a church full of civilians and looses a lot. Absolutely worse than any war crime. Wow, that's really strong. I think some of the strikes could be judged war crimes. Unlike hamas/Paelstine, I do not think they are intestinally committing war crimes continuously. OK, so they are committing war crimes by mistake. At least you don't say Israel can do no wrong, like some here. What did I state as fact? Why the terrorist element of Hamas committed that vile attack, it wasn't a war crime. Unless you say they were already at war, then they didn't start this conflict. Are Hamas a state? Non-states allegedly can't commit war crimes. https://www.dw.com/en/what-constitutes-a-war-crime/a-60989316 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Yagoda said: We should leave the Neo Nazis with their lefty loon antiamericanism/antisemitism/antiwest aside in this discussion and start looking at the geopolitical aspects, viz: 1. Iran stands in the way of Pan-Turkism 2. Israel is worth more to Turkey than Hamas 3. Israel is a strong ally of Azerbaijan 4. Azerbaijan is a Turkic nation, secular Muslim too. 5. 35% (I think) of Iran is Azeri. 6. Both Turkey and Azerbaijan have Nato aspirations Whatever Turkey does will be with the foregoing in mind. Turkey's policies, especially foreign and security seem to be more about Erdogan than the country's interest. His not-so-secret superpower is to get into fights and disagreements with everyone (in turn, there's a cycle thing). Right now he might be invested in Israel, but that could change very quickly. Also, he sometimes gets into one of them fiery speeches, starting a mess with someone in the region, then finds himself committed to a new course of action. I treat this as an anecdote, and perhaps a demonstration of how these notion of 'the Muslim world' don't hold. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: OK, so they are committing war crimes by mistake. At least you don't say Israel can do no wrong, like some here. No one here has claimed Israel can do no wrong. You are lying. 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: What did I state as fact? Israel is an aparthied state, 1 minute ago, Neeranam said: Why the terrorist element of Hamas committed that vile attack, it wasn't a war crime. Unless you say they were already at war, then they didn't start this conflict. Are Hamas a state? Non-states allegedly can't commit war crimes. https://www.dw.com/en/what-constitutes-a-war-crime/a-60989316 I said it was worse than a war crime, quit lying. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarraMarra Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 dw.com a site Haw Haw has trawled for on the web one of many he looks for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Neeranam said: Is bombing churches one of their obligations? Do you agree this is a war crime? Saw a very sad video of one man whose 3 children were killed here. Here's the church, it was a strike by mistake on a building next door. image source Try another source for your information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Neeranam said: There are no tickets fired from the church. The terrorist attack was not a war crime. Firing rockets from residential areas probably is a war crime. Another lie from you, you complain of being accused of being a Hamas apologist but that's exactly what you are. Of course the incident on the 7th Oct was a war crime by Hamas, as well as a terrorist massacre. Despite Hamas being an irregular force, it is subject to the same international humanitarian law as Israel Defense Forces soldiers. The Palestinians, joined the Rome Statute in 2015, which established the International Criminal Court in The Hague, so the ICC has jurisdiction over the West Bank and Gaza Strip. "Premeditated, planned and deliberate killing of civilians — that's a clear war crime," head of ICTJ Fernando Travesí. "the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas that targeted Israeli civilians, killing some 1,400, clearly fits within the definition of a war crime. Hamas militants took about 200 others hostage — an act also explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Convention." https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1206157206/israel-hamas-war-crimes-international-law-geneva-convention 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Neeranam said: OK, so they are committing war crimes by mistake. At least you don't say Israel can do no wrong, like some here. What did I state as fact? Why the terrorist element of Hamas committed that vile attack, it wasn't a war crime. Unless you say they were already at war, then they didn't start this conflict. Are Hamas a state? Non-states allegedly can't commit war crimes. https://www.dw.com/en/what-constitutes-a-war-crime/a-60989316 Read this and weep......... https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1206157206/israel-hamas-war-crimes-international-law-geneva-convention 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrMojoRisin Posted October 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Morch said: "Did the New York Times retract their mistake and offer an apology?" Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html This is exactly the reason why the established press, with reputations to protect, should be believed to a much greater extent than prejudiced "internet experts". When organisations such as the NYT get something wrong, they retract and apologise whereas biased keyboard warriors never do likewise. Any intelligent and rational person will have the awareness to not accept at face value the attempts by both sides in this conflict to either demonise their opponent or downplay their own criminality. Just because one wants something to be true as it benefits their side, does not make it true. Be patient, don't leap to conclusions and wait for verifiable proof from reputable sources. Most importantly of course, is to not forget to change one's opinion when the evidence shows that one is wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Most importantly of course, is to not forget to change one's opinion when the evidence shows that one is wrong. Indeed. As Israel continue to kill innocent people, surely they will change their Israel can do no wrong because the US and UK support them attitude 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Neeranam said: Do you agree with this report? Have not read it / viewed it Edited October 24, 2023 by Eloquent pilgrim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James105 Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Indeed. As Israel continue to kill innocent people, surely they will change their Israel can do no wrong because the US and UK support them attitude Isreal has the military capability to raze Gaza to the ground. If they are who you say they are why do they not choose to do this and instead make every effort to warn the civilian population of the military targets (located in civilian buildings) of where they intend to strike. This warning costs them the element of surprise as the Hamas terrorists also receive this warning and can (and do) move their rockets to another location. Seems terribly inefficient to me and if the goal of Israel was to kill innocents, then why on earth would they take such efforts to avoid doing so? Imagine if Hamas had the same capability. You think they would not have used it to wipe Israel off the map already? Actually maybe they wouldn't as that would remove the opportunity to mutilate and torture their victims before they killed them. I think the reason that a lot of people are siding with Isreal is that Hamas sent in their troops to mutilate, torture, behead and kill as many innocent Israeli's (without warning) as they could, and feel that an action such as this cannot go unanswered as otherwise it will embolden the terrorists to do it again. Do you have a better answer than Israel to the kind of response required to the kind of murderous brutality that occurred on their territory? If so, what is it? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, James105 said: Isreal has the military capability to raze Gaza to the ground. If they are who you say they are why do they not choose to do this and instead make every effort to warn the civilian population of the military targets (located in civilian buildings) of where they intend to strike. This warning costs them the element of surprise as the Hamas terrorists also receive this warning and can (and do) move their rockets to another location. Seems terribly inefficient to me and if the goal of Israel was to kill innocents, then why on earth would they take such efforts to avoid doing so? Imagine if Hamas had the same capability. You think they would not have used it to wipe Israel off the map already? Actually maybe they wouldn't as that would remove the opportunity to mutilate and torture their victims before they killed them. I think the reason that a lot of people are siding with Isreal is that Hamas sent in their troops to mutilate, torture, behead and kill as many innocent Israeli's (without warning) as they could, and feel that an action such as this cannot go unanswered as otherwise it will embolden the terrorists to do it again. Do you have a better answer than Israel to the kind of response required to the kind of murderous brutality that occurred on their territory? If so, what is it? They're is no easy solution when both hate each other so much. One thing, that is obvious is for Israel to treat Palestinians equally and do away with all the discriminatory laws and apartheid. This is the first step. Israel are forcing millions to leave their homes, maybe this is the better option for them to get the land they seem hungry for, which will cause even more resentment. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Neeranam said: Why the terrorist element of Hamas committed that vile attack Transparent apologist … trying to now claim that there is only an element of Hamas that are terrorists. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, why do you find that so difficult to understand (rhetorical) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Piers, like me, seems unbiased here - 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eloquent pilgrim Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Neeranam said: Piers, like me, seems unbiased Comedy gold .... ha ha ha ha ha ha 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Neeranam said: Piers, like me, seems unbiased here Piers is a snake and was he unbiased when he faked British Troops torturing/humiliating supposedly captured Iraqis, which incidentally led to his sacking from The Daily Mirror. 🥴 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Neeranam said: You are very confrontational, calling me a liar. Most on this thread refuse to acknowledge Israel are committing war crimes, which they are, killing children, refusing food and water, for a start. Those are not war crimes . The International lawyer posted earlier in this thread stated as such , You are saying things that are untrue 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said: Piers is a snake and was he unbiased when he faked British Troops torturing/humiliating supposedly captured Iraqis, which incidentally led to his sacking from The Daily Mirror. 🥴 I've no idea about his past, he is unbiased in this interview, did you watch it? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Neeranam said: I've no idea about his past, he is unbiased in this interview, did you watch it? No I didn't watch, just the same as I wouldn't poke red hot needles in my eyes, Morgan is a liar and why would anyone want to listen to a proven liar unless he is saying things they want to hear! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Wobblybob said: No I didn't watch, just the same as I wouldn't poke red hot needles in my eyes, Morgan is a liar and why would anyone want to listen to a proven liar unless he is saying things they want to hear! He is asking questions, you are missing a good interview. Better to listen to both sides in this conflict, you don't make peace with your friends, as Martin McGuiness wisely said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted October 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 hours ago, Neeranam said: He is asking questions, you are missing a good interview. Better to listen to both sides in this conflict, you don't make peace with your friends, as Martin McGuiness wisely said. Martin McGuiness. 😂😂😂 You need to be more selective in what you read, who you chose to watch and who you quote.☹️ 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 hours ago, BarraMarra said: dw.com a site Haw Haw has trawled for on the web one of many he looks for. No, it isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Welle https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/dw-news/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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