ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

Welcome back Mr. Mojo !

 

Yes, there are rumors/plans to take in some Palestinians overseas so that we can't define these bombings as a genocide followed by an exodus in the future history books.

 

Israeli's (settlers) are already protesting or promoting with banners to get back the Kibbutzim that they left 15 years ago in Gaza : there will be land available again soon.

 

All this might be seen as "pure coincidence"...

 

As far as I'm aware, there wasn't a single kibbutz among the settlements evacuated by Israel. Most settlements were populated by people with similar demographics to the settlers in the West Bank (maybe somewhat less extreme, back then).

 

Rumors claimed by you are of no value, not without some semblance of support.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Only antisemites post things like this 

 

Only posters who put most of the participants on 'ignore' aren't aware this was widely referenced by now.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

 From CNN. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/middleeast/palestinian-israeli-deaths-gaza-dg/index.html

 

Isn't it a pity Hamas doesn't watch CNN?

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

No problem if you don't know the answer and you need more time for research or time to think.

 

I'm looking forward for your decisive answer !

 

 

 

Deflection, clipping my post out of context and trolling with an off topic vid. Fail again troll

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

This is published by CNN who are Pro-Israel.  Not Hamas, but the Palestinian Ministry of Health. 

 

 

 

The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza is controlled by Hamas.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

No problem if you don't know the answer and you need more time for research or time to think.

 

I'm looking forward for your decisive answer !

 

 

 

1. Did civilians get warnings in any wars before being bombed by aggressors. ?

 

2. Did Israel give warnings to Gaza folk to get out of town before their pinpoint bombing...?

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Someone needs to explain to Thorgal what happens in a war when the Enemy is hiding in Populated areas. He clearly does not understand what will happen to civilians used as human shields. I will give him a pointer The London Blitz, Coventry, Hamburg, Dresden, and Berlin. What is the common Denominator Thorgal.

They were bombed during a proper war, WW2, not this little skirmish between a few thousand Terrorists and the 18th largest military force in the world, which could have been easily avoided if they hadn't of acted like an apartheid state since 2006, when the then Israeli backed Hamas took over Gaza.

[metisdead]

A post with a trolling video contravening our Community Standards has been removed.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

They were bombed during a proper war, WW2, not this little skirmish between a few thousand Terrorists and the 18th largest military force in the world, which could have been easily avoided if they hadn't of acted like an apartheid state since 2006, when the then Israeli backed Hamas took over Gaza.

Irrelevant: Even if Israel is the 18th largest military force in the world, what tiny fraction is it using in Gaza? 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Two days later, in an unusual move this early in a conflict and seemingly in response to Biden’s remarks, Gaza’s Ministry of Health released a listcontaining the names and identity numbers of the nearly 7,000 people it says have died in the conflict so far. 

Historically, the Gaza Health Ministry’s figures have been found largely accurate. News organizations, human rights groups, and international governments and bodies (including the United Nations) cite them in the moment; and human rights groups that have worked to verify the ministry’s data in previous conflicts have found it generally reliable. 

 

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23940215/israel-palestine-gaza-hamas-death-toll-war-fatalities-verified-count-conflict

 

How was the list verified? Who did the verification? How many Hamas men were included in it?

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Irrelevant: Even if Israel is the 18th largest military force in the world, what tiny fraction is it using in Gaza? 

I've no idea, wasn't part of the original question.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I've no idea, wasn't part of the original question.

What? So why mention they are the 18th largest military force in the world when it makes absolutely no difference. All military experts have already stated clearly fighting in densely populated urban areas and moving underground could strip the Israeli military of some of its technological advantages while giving an edge to Hamas both above and below ground.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Israel declared the war on Palestinians in Gaza based on the combatant Hamas and combatant Palestinian civilians attacks done on 7th of October 2023.

 

Combatant on 7th of October = killing , taking hostages, destruction, any violence , rapings, stealings, helping, transportation...any direct and indirect involvement in the coordinated attack.

 

Non combatant on 7th of October = no participation at ALL in the coordinated attacks from Hamas

 

Again, when does the right for self defense start for non combatant Palestinians living in Gaza that didn't participate in the 7th of October attacks in Israel? When can a non combatant (on 7/10/2023) become a combatant as self defense after under siege, blockade, bombings and/or ground invasion of IDF as per international or domestic law?

 

Thanks for your reply anyways.

 

Israel declared war on Hamas, not on all the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Not all Hamas 'combatants' crossed over. Plenty handled the rocket launchers, mortars and so on.

A whole mob of non-Hamas Gazans crossed over and partook in the looting, killing and destruction.

Crowds in Gaza attacked and molested Israelis brought in over the border.

 

All of your pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo has no bearing on anything, and very little credibility, if that.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Even the kids?

 

GAZA, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Gaza is becoming a "graveyard for children", U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said on Monday

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pressure-israel-over-civilians-steps-up-ceasefire-calls-rebuffed-2023-11-06/

 

Oh, it's 'save the kids' again. Go post on the Hamas website, ask them to let them in the tunnels.

[Thorgal]

26 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

As far as I'm aware, there wasn't a single kibbutz among the settlements evacuated by Israel. Most settlements were populated by people with similar demographics to the settlers in the West Bank (maybe somewhat less extreme, back then).

 

Rumors claimed by you are of no value, not without some semblance of support.

 

Your quote :

"Rumors claimed by you are of no value, not without some semblance of support."

 

Quote from source :

 

“We’re going home,” declare the signs in red ink. “The people demand a return to the Gaza Strip.” A logo and symbol, as well as a phone number for donations and details, have been created for the campaign."

 

"Eighteen years after Israel dismantled the Gush Katif bloc of settlements, removed all their civilian residents, withdrew the IDF and “disengaged” from the Gaza Strip to the pre-1967 lines, there are those who want to resettle there courtesy of the terrible war that was thrust upon us."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-war-with-hamas-rages-a-campaign-gets-underway-for-a-return-to-gazas-settlements/

[Morch]

41 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Let’s not completely ignore the fact that Israel has had the power and initiative for decades now, and this is the result. Hamas is crazy, but the conditions that created Hamas were created by Israel.

 

October 7th was effectively an own goal by the Israeli’s

 

Let's not completely ignore that you try this deflection every X posts.

Takes two to tango, Palestinians weren't very proactive, constructive and so on. Still aren't.

[Morch]

40 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I don't understand why it's usual to call some Palestinian citizens from Gaza  "terrorist" while they were non combatant on the 7th of October, but became combatant as self defense per international law under siege, bombings, displacement, blockade and threat of ground offensive?

 

The self defense as civilian (no uniform needed) can be applicated because Israel's response is out of proportion and constant threat and not aimed for military targets.

 

 Some "terrorist" tunnels before, can be used now as completely legal "self defense" tunnels. 

 

Yet another dishonest post. Yet another straw man argument.

As for them tunnels, don't see them used for defending the Gazans much.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Your quote :

"Rumors claimed by you are of no value, not without some semblance of support."

 

Quote from source :

 

“We’re going home,” declare the signs in red ink. “The people demand a return to the Gaza Strip.” A logo and symbol, as well as a phone number for donations and details, have been created for the campaign."

 

"Eighteen years after Israel dismantled the Gush Katif bloc of settlements, removed all their civilian residents, withdrew the IDF and “disengaged” from the Gaza Strip to the pre-1967 lines, there are those who want to resettle there courtesy of the terrible war that was thrust upon us."

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-war-with-hamas-rages-a-campaign-gets-underway-for-a-return-to-gazas-settlements/

 

Yes, and?

What force does this carry? Anything that makes it anything resembling government policy? Or even a very popular position?

[Thorgal]

46 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Killed, maybe. Murdered, no.

That difference.

 

Can you explain, or do I have to guess ?

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Can you explain, or do I have to guess ?

 

Explained numerous times on this topic and others.

No need to rehash it for you again.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Any comments? You're welcome my friend.

Israel has warned civilians to move away from target areas, yet I am still waiting for your comment on wars that warned civilians they were going to be bombed by aggressors, because I cannot think of any.......

 

 

[Thorgal]

11 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Israel declared war on Hamas, not on all the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

Not all Hamas 'combatants' crossed over. Plenty handled the rocket launchers, mortars and so on.

A whole mob of non-Hamas Gazans crossed over and partook in the looting, killing and destruction.

Crowds in Gaza attacked and molested Israelis brought in over the border.

 

All of your pseudo-legal mumbo jumbo has no bearing on anything, and very little credibility, if that.

 

Israel bombed all Gaza surface. Israel didn't bombed only Hamas. the bombings are a collective punishment.

 

This was explained multiple times that Gaza civilians participated in the looting, killing, etc..

 

I understood that Israel works with a target list to bomb in Gaza.

How many killers, looters, have been killed already from the 10.300 Gaza fatalities? 

[Thorgal]

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The other link does not address the question as well. Big surprise.

 

Quote from source without monocle : 

 

"The Health Ministry said that 10,022 people have been killed in Gaza, including over 4,100 children. More than 2,300 people are missing and believed to be buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the ministry said."

[Thorgal]

7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Explained numerous times on this topic and others.

No need to rehash it for you again.

 

OK, this means guessing.

[BarraMarra]

He has been warned many times about posting sites from unknown sources yet carries on how many warnings does he want.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Quote from source without monocle : 

 

"The Health Ministry said that 10,022 people have been killed in Gaza, including over 4,100 children. More than 2,300 people are missing and believed to be buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the ministry said."

No dodgy link then to get removed........

[Thorgal]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You Russian mates again and another dodgy un approved social media image from the  "Official account of Russian think-tank Rybar"

 

 

 

 

 

Some other "unbiased" sources have been debunked with false war propaganda multiple times.

 

I use Rybar because it's clear and compatible to other average media outlets...

 

[rabas]

4 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

Again, when does the right for self defense start for non combatant Palestinians living in Gaza that didn't participate in the 7th of October attacks in Israel? 

Not sure when it starts, but surely it ends when Hamas puts them directly in the firing line with the IDF. Or tells them to stay above ground as Hamas hides in tunnels, or blocks them from leaving combat zones, or fires rockets from hospitals full of noncombatants, or just bombs the hospitals themselves. 

 

So I think your question is wrong. When do noncombatant Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from Hamas?

 

Please do not ask this distorted question again...

[Wobblybob]

20 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Quote from source without monocle : 

 

"The Health Ministry said that 10,022 people have been killed in Gaza, including over 4,100 children. More than 2,300 people are missing and believed to be buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings, the ministry said."

And we trust you will be blaming the instigators of this war....... Hamas right?

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

I don't understand why it's usual to call some Palestinian citizens from Gaza  "terrorist" while they were non combatant on the 7th of October, but became combatant as self defense per international law under siege, bombings, displacement, blockade and threat of ground offensive?

 

The self defense as civilian (no uniform needed) can be applicated because Israel's response is out of proportion and constant threat and not aimed for military targets.

 

 Some "terrorist" tunnels before, can be used now as completely legal "self defense" tunnels. 

Once they become an enemy combatant for whatever reason, they are no longer civilians and should die or surrender as such.