Biden says simultaneous wars in Ukraine, Israel won’t overwhelm US

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or indeed any of the nations’ militaries that left at the same time.

 

 

Whataboutism at it's finest.

 

Is that all you've got?

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Just now, JonnyF said:

So there wasn't a power vacuum left behind that led to women's rights being obliterated? 

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/03/afghanistan-un-experts-say-20-years-progress-women-and-girls-rights-erased

 

 

As a feminist I thought you'd care about that. Obviously not.

I think you're seriously confused. You claim that the US shouldn't have been there but apparently you also are claiming that it shouldn't have left. Make up your mind.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

So there wasn't a power vacuum left behind that led to women's rights being obliterated? 

 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/03/afghanistan-un-experts-say-20-years-progress-women-and-girls-rights-erased

 

 

As a feminist I thought you'd care about that. Obviously not.

One again, the US (and it’s allies) did not go into Afghanistan for any reason at all relating yo women’s rights.

 

I’m surprised to learn you are a feminist, keep up the good work.

[JonnyF]

Just now, placeholder said:

I think you're seriously confused. You claim that the US shouldn't have been there but apparently you also are claiming that it shouldn't have left. Make up your mind.

It's not confusing.

 

They shouldn't have been there. However, having made the poor decision to go, they should at least have made sure there was something in place to replace what they destroyed before leaving. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I think you're seriously confused. You claim that the US shouldn't have been there but apparently you also are claiming that it shouldn't have left. Make up your mind.

That’s rightwing Cognitive Dissonance, things don’t have to make any logical sense so long as they abide by the talk track.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's not confusing.

 

They shouldn't have been there. However, having made the poor decision to go, they should at least have made sure there was something in place to replace what they destroyed before leaving. 

So they should have stayed until women's rights were guaranteed? Given that only 40% of US troops remained after the Trump withdrawal, short of sending troops back in, how could that have been accomplished?

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[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

One again, the US (and it’s allies) did not go into Afghanistan for any reason at all relating yo women’s rights.

It wasn't the reason for them going. It was a consequence of them going. A dire consequence. 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I’m surprised to learn you are a feminist, keep up the good work.

There's a lot about me that might surprise you. Given your dismissive attitude to the women of Afghanistan I'm more of a feminist than you could ever claim to be.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s rightwing Cognitive Dissonance, things don’t have to make any logical sense so long as they abide by the talk track.

 

 

Where is the flaw in my logic? 

 

Don't deflect this time. Show me the flaw. 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So they should have stayed until women's rights were guaranteed? Given that only 40% of US troops remained after the Trump withdrawal, short of sending troops back in, how could that have been accomplished?

They should have ensured security was sufficient to ensure that the Taliban didn't take over immediately after leaving. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

It wasn't the reason for them going. It was a consequence of them going. A dire consequence. 

 

There's a lot about me that might surprise you. Given your dismissive attitude to the women of Afghanistan I'm more of a feminist than you could ever claim to be.

You seem to have forgotten what life was like for women before the war, back in days when the Taliban were beheading women in old sports stadia.

Maybe feminism too can be a flag of convenience.

 

Anyway back to topic.

 

President Biden was terrific in the 60 Minutes interview, clear and strong leadership.

 

Just as well because the holders of the House Majority are driving around in a clown car with nobody at the wheel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

They should have ensured security was sufficient to ensure that the Taliban didn't take over immediately after leaving. 

Given the absence of U.S. troops how would that be accomplished without actually bringing in more troops and staying indefinitely. Magic?

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Where is the flaw in my logic? 

 

Don't deflect this time. Show me the flaw. 

I pointed it out to you earlier.

 

You rant about America being involved in overseas wars/nations.

 

Then rant when they leave an overseas nation/war.

 

Faux concern over women’s rights.

 

What’s next, a call for a U.S. invasion to protect women’s rights.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They should have ensured security was sufficient to ensure that the Taliban didn't take over immediately after leaving. 

Maybe someone shouldn’t have given the order for the unconditional release of thousands of Taliban from Afghan prisons.

 

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4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You seem to have forgotten what life was like for women before the war, back in days when the Taliban were beheading women in old sports stadia.

Maybe feminism too can be a flag of convenience.

 

Anyway back to topic.

 

President Biden was terrific in the 60 Minutes interview, clear and strong leadership.

 

Just as well because the holders of the House Majority are driving around in a clown car with nobody at the wheel.

Did you note the comment  made by one right wing member who claimed that even though in the transcript Biden's words were clear in their meaning, when he spoke them they made no sense? And he had the temerity to accuse Biden of being confused.

[Morch]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:49 PM, JonnyF said:

They love spending other people's money on their vanity projects.

Indeed - "It will be beautiful wall...". Oh...wait.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They should have ensured security was sufficient to ensure that the Taliban didn't take over immediately after leaving. 

Other militaries left at the same time.

 

So why are the post departure problems the fault of the US and not also of those other nations?

 

Incidentally, your whole Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam I’ll inform led nonsense is the actual whataboutary here.

 

The subject of discussion is the fine leadership of President Biden, refer top of thread.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did you note the comment  made by one right wing member who claimed that even though in the transcript Biden's words were clear in their meaning, when he spoke them they made no sense? And he had the temerity to accuse Biden of being confused.

Probably never watched the interview.

[Morch]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:09 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

 

We’re the United States of America for God’s sake, the most powerful nation in the history — not in the world, in the history of the world,”

“We can take care of both of these and still maintain our overall international defense.”

 

Well said Mr President.

 

 

 

There were comments made in the same spirit by Israeli leaders, politicians, generals and commentator just two weeks ago.

 

Also, I'd love to know if higher ups in the Pentagon really feel the same.

 

Not underestimating USA might, just like the speak softly and carry a big stick approach more.

[candide]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's not confusing.

 

They shouldn't have been there. However, having made the poor decision to go, they should at least have made sure there was something in place to replace what they destroyed before leaving. 

How could they do it without staying significantly more time (and call back U.S. soldiers who were sent back by Trump)? And likely not only stay, but also fight against the Taliban.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

There were comments made in the same spirit by Israeli leaders, politicians, generals and commentator just two weeks ago.

 

Also, I'd love to know if higher ups in the Pentagon really feel the same.

 

Not underestimating USA might, just like the speak softly and carry a big stick approach more.

Biden’s audience is beyond the US and the participants in and around the two conflicts.

 

The message was clear, the US is nowhere near its limits of military capability.

 

I suspect Biden is taking very good advice from his cabinet and military leaders.

 

I hear he reads his briefs, which is a welcome return to attention to detail.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Biden’s audience is beyond the US and the participants in and around the two conflicts.

 

The message was clear, the US is nowhere near its limits of military capability.

 

I suspect Biden is taking very good advice from his cabinet and military leaders.

 

I hear he reads his briefs, which is a welcome return to attention to detail.

 

I think at least some of the comments from Israel were aimed at regional players. 

 

The message is one thing, whether it's perceived as credible is another.

 

Israel's strategic and tactical assessment of Hamas status and intentions was based on intelligence and analysis communicated to the government by cabinet minister, generals and intelligence chiefs.

 

Reading the briefs is one thing, what's in them is another.