Biden's biggest mistake ?

[nobodysfriend]

Biden supports Ukraine .

Ukraine did not have an army that was able to defend the country against a far superior aggressor .

 

Biden supports Israel by sending even more monetary aid and the airplane carriers .

He could have done it more discretely . Without making ' big waves ' and upsetting the muslim world .

 

Big mistake , I think , this may ignite a bigger war and , definitely , will not help to find a peaceful solution .

It will be seen as unfair treatment by all muslim nations .

[nobodysfriend]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/22/us-says-it-will-retaliate-if-american-forces-are-attacked-in-middle-east

 

United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that Washington is prepared to retaliate if US troops are targeted in the course of the Israel-Hamas war, as the possibility of the conflict spreading across the Middle East rises.

 

... " “We are taking steps to make sure that we can effectively defend our people and respond decisively if we need to,” Blinken said, noting that additional military assets had been deployed to the Middle East, including two aircraft carrier battle groups. "

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/22/politics/lloyd-austin-israel-middle-east/index.html

 

“We’re concerned about potential escalation. In fact, what we’re seeing is a – is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region, and because of that, we’re going to do what’s necessary to make sure that our troops are in the right – in a good position, and they’re protected, and that we have the ability to respond,”

 

The US involved in 2 wars already ... China might take advantage of the timing and attack Taiwan ...?

 

Very funny , isn't it ?

Edited October 23, 2023 by nobodysfriend

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, nobodysfriend said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/22/us-says-it-will-retaliate-if-american-forces-are-attacked-in-middle-east

 

United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that Washington is prepared to retaliate if US troops are targeted in the course of the Israel-Hamas war, as the possibility of the conflict spreading across the Middle East rises.

 

... " “We are taking steps to make sure that we can effectively defend our people and respond decisively if we need to,” Blinken said, noting that additional military assets had been deployed to the Middle East, including two aircraft carrier battle groups. "

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/22/politics/lloyd-austin-israel-middle-east/index.html

 

“We’re concerned about potential escalation. In fact, what we’re seeing is a – is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region, and because of that, we’re going to do what’s necessary to make sure that our troops are in the right – in a good position, and they’re protected, and that we have the ability to respond,”

 

The US involved in 2 wars already ... China might take advantage of the timing and attack Taiwan ...?

 

Very funny , isn't it ?

If it wasn't so problematic it'd be hysterically funny.

The US unconditionally supports israel and then complains that other nations might not like what they are doing to fellow Arabs and Muslims.

 

How stupid can the US leadership get?

 

One suspects that certain elements in the US government want another war in the Middle East, except this time IMO they'd be on their own except possibly for the UK.

[placeholder]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it wasn't so problematic it'd be hysterically funny.

The US unconditionally supports israel and then complains that other nations might not like what they are doing to fellow Arabs and Muslims.

 

How stupid can the US leadership get?

 

One suspects that certain elements in the US government want another war in the Middle East, except this time IMO they'd be on their own except possibly for the UK.

What's really hysterically funny is that you denounce Israel for inflicting massive casualties on Palestinian civilians but you have no problem with Russia doing the same to Ukrainian civilians.

Edited October 24, 2023 by placeholder

[billd766]

On 10/23/2023 at 10:57 AM, nobodysfriend said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/22/us-says-it-will-retaliate-if-american-forces-are-attacked-in-middle-east

 

United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday that Washington is prepared to retaliate if US troops are targeted in the course of the Israel-Hamas war, as the possibility of the conflict spreading across the Middle East rises.

 

... " “We are taking steps to make sure that we can effectively defend our people and respond decisively if we need to,” Blinken said, noting that additional military assets had been deployed to the Middle East, including two aircraft carrier battle groups. "

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/22/politics/lloyd-austin-israel-middle-east/index.html

 

“We’re concerned about potential escalation. In fact, what we’re seeing is a – is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region, and because of that, we’re going to do what’s necessary to make sure that our troops are in the right – in a good position, and they’re protected, and that we have the ability to respond,”

 

The US involved in 2 wars already ... China might take advantage of the timing and attack Taiwan ...?

 

Very funny , isn't it ?

Unfortunately, by moving troops and aircraft carrier battle groups into the region, plus supporting Israel, the US has already escalated the problem.

 

The Israeli government led by the warmonger, Netanyahu will take it as a discreet sign of support, and Hamas will do the same, looking at it as support for Israel against the Palestinians.

 

Sadly, President Biden is in a cleft stick situation. Damned if he does something. and damned by the other side if he doesn't. That is only in the region.

 

In the other battlefield of USA politics he will face the same situation. I am really glad that I am not a US citizen, and not in his position.

 

All US citizens worldwide are slowly becoming targets, and quickly becoming targets in the region.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

Unfortunately, by moving troops and aircraft carrier battle groups into the region, plus supporting Israel, the US has already escalated the problem.

 

The Israeli government led by the warmonger, Netanyahu will take it as a discreet sign of support, and Hamas will do the same, looking at it as support for Israel against the Palestinians.

 

Sadly, President Biden is in a cleft stick situation. Damned if he does something. and damned by the other side if he doesn't. That is only in the region.

 

In the other battlefield of USA politics he will face the same situation. I am really glad that I am not a US citizen, and not in his position.

 

All US citizens worldwide are slowly becoming targets, and quickly becoming targets in the region.

I have to agree with everything you say in that post. Perhaps that's unusual!

 

Sending a second carrier group is IMO worrisome, as it suggests they are anticipating joining in.

[nobodysfriend]

On 10/23/2023 at 10:57 AM, nobodysfriend said:

Very funny , isn't it ?

 This was meant for the idiots who always give laughing emojis and cannot even understand ... the rest is quite serious ...

 

AN was better when the given emojis  were not anonymous .

And there should be a ' dislike ' emoji as well , but that is off topic ...

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/how-will-the-israel-hamas-war-end-here-are-several-possible-outcomes.html

 

• Despite some calls for peace, a cease-fire looks nigh-on impossible, with the conflict likely about to enter a “hot” phase.

 

In any case, Israel is counting on, and has received, an outpouring of support from Western nations, with its allies stating that they are ready to provide the state with moral and material support. The U.S. has already sent a shipment of weapons.

Visiting Tel Aviv Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken offered reassurances of ongoing U.S. support to Netanyahu on Thursday, stating: “We’re here, we’re not going anywhere.”

 

“Israel, as is often the case, will have some bandwidth from the international community in the coming days to launch a retaliatory strike. But the longer a war goes and the more carnage there is, the international community will begin to call for all sides to de-escalate,”

 

Putin and Xi call for a new world order , the US involved in 2 wars already , that may both last for years ,

the future is more uncertain than ever .

 

[billd766]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I have to agree with everything you say in that post. Perhaps that's unusual!

 

Sending a second carrier group is IMO worrisome, as it suggests they are anticipating joining in.

It is not so unusual for me as I generally read most of your posts though I don't agree with them all.

 

IMO IF the USA does actually physically support Israel with boots on the ground, then President Biden will be attacked by both sides and will be in a lose/lose situation especially when the US body bags start coming home to the USA.

 

Trump alone will take every opportunity to make problems larger, even if only to divert away from his own problems.

 

As for the major parties, I thing that the Democrats will reluctantly back Biden, and the GOP will make as much of it as they can to cover their own internal problems.

 

Again IMHO possibly the best the US could do would to put their own forces between both sides and tell each side that there IS a cease fire in place, like it or not. And that either side attempts to break that cease fire, then the US forces will retaliate against the attackers. The same rule will apply if the US troops are attacked by either side.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

It is not so unusual for me as I generally read most of your posts though I don't agree with them all.

 

IMO IF the USA does actually physically support Israel with boots on the ground, then President Biden will be attacked by both sides and will be in a lose/lose situation especially when the US body bags start coming home to the USA.

 

Trump alone will take every opportunity to make problems larger, even if only to divert away from his own problems.

 

As for the major parties, I thing that the Democrats will reluctantly back Biden, and the GOP will make as much of it as they can to cover their own internal problems.

 

Again IMHO possibly the best the US could do would to put their own forces between both sides and tell each side that there IS a cease fire in place, like it or not. And that either side attempts to break that cease fire, then the US forces will retaliate against the attackers. The same rule will apply if the US troops are attacked by either side.

 

 

I agree on the buffer force, but can't see Biden ever agreeing to have US forces shoot at the israelis, nor the GOP.

That's what the UN is supposed to do but they are a waste of space when it comes to israel.

 

I'm puzzled as to why US boots would be needed, as the israelis have a much vaunted army, or is it not as good as claimed against lightly armed fighters?

 

However I am worried that certain elements in the US government want a war with Iran, and are just itching for an excuse to go in. I can't see any other reason for 2 carrier groups.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

the US involved in 2 wars already , that may both last for years ,

Never forget that when it comes to the US, one is dealing with the military industrial complex. The 1% don't get rich when the US isn't needing to spend large on weapons.

 

President Eisenhower warned about it after WW2.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

 Thanks to the israeli airforce bombing Gaza to bits the Hamas fighters have ideal cover for attacking the israelis when they invade. Even tanks will have a problem with that amount of rubble, and will have to slow down to a crawl to get over it, making them a much easier target. I assume the Hamas fighters have RPGs a plenty.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 Thanks to the israeli airforce bombing Gaza to bits the Hamas fighters have ideal cover for attacking the israelis when they invade. Even tanks will have a problem with that amount of rubble, and will have to slow down to a crawl to get over it, making them a much easier target. I assume the Hamas fighters have RPGs a plenty.

The terrorist's supporter advises with his military knowledge...........🤣 .............

[Jeff the Chef]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Never forget that when it comes to the US, one is dealing with the military industrial complex. The 1% don't get rich when the US isn't needing to spend large on weapons.

 

President Eisenhower warned about it after WW2.

 

Nail hit extremely accurately on the head, couldn't agree more.

Follow the money, every time.

[Jeff the Chef]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 Thanks to the israeli airforce bombing Gaza to bits the Hamas fighters have ideal cover for attacking the israelis when they invade. Even tanks will have a problem with that amount of rubble, and will have to slow down to a crawl to get over it, making them a much easier target. I assume the Hamas fighters have RPGs a plenty.

 

The last place that they'll send tanks into imho, the odd APC to flush out the opposition, then it will be call up the Airforce to clear them out, less casualties on the Israeli side but it will be expensive, maybe that's Hamas's strategy, bleed them dry financially.

[Adumbration]

The deep state in the US is fostering as many offshore wars as possible.  They need inflation to move higher and stay there for longer.  There is no other solution to their obscene levels of sovereign debt.  The only solution is to inflate it away.

 

Taiwan is the next cab off the rank.

[billd766]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree on the buffer force, but can't see Biden ever agreeing to have US forces shoot at the israelis, nor the GOP.

That's what the UN is supposed to do but they are a waste of space when it comes to israel.

 

I'm puzzled as to why US boots would be needed, as the israelis have a much vaunted army, or is it not as good as claimed against lightly armed fighters?

 

However I am worried that certain elements in the US government want a war with Iran, and are just itching for an excuse to go in. I can't see any other reason for 2 carrier groups.

As far as I can see the US military is the strongest force in the area at this time, and the Israeli forces would probably be more careful about biting the hands that feed them.

 

As for the Palestinian forces I am not so sure, but I don't think that the Iranians would want to get too involved.

[Jeff the Chef]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

As far as I can see the US military is the strongest force in the area at this time, and the Israeli forces would probably be more careful about biting the hands that feed them.

 

As for the Palestinian forces I am not so sure, but I don't think that the Iranians would want to get too involved.

Whilst I can agree with the majority of your post, I do feel saying Palestinian forces needs to be corrected to Hamas forces, to be fair to Palestinians who do not support Hamas the perpetuators of this conflict.

[Jeff the Chef]

13 minutes ago, Adumbration said:

The deep state in the US is fostering as many offshore wars as possible.  They need inflation to move higher and stay there for longer.  There is no other solution to their obscene levels of sovereign debt.  The only solution is to inflate it away.

 

Taiwan is the next cab off the rank.

Hopefully a few more sensible heads will realise if that comes about WW3 could be round the corner, not a thing anyone is looking forward to, I think.

 

That and the fact I have trouble bending over far enough to kiss my r's goodbye, nowadays.

[sirineou]

On 10/23/2023 at 7:36 AM, nobodysfriend said:

Biden supports Ukraine .

Ukraine did not have an army that was able to defend the country against a far superior aggressor

First let me say that I voted for Biden , as the only option available  to bridge the county in the post trump presidency .

And I don't know what else I could have done at the time , it was either him or trump.  but in view of subsequent decisions it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.   

   First concerning Israel. Being that Washington DC is part of the Israeli occupied territories I don't see what he or any other president could have done differently. So I give him that. Israel is the third rail of American politics. Touch it and you die, 

   He was a major supporter of the invasion of Iraq, afterward he said that he had learned from that experience and had grown as a person and a politician. .  

Apparently not!

First we need to understand that while he was VP to Obama he was in charge of the Ukrainian agenda.He knows a thing or two about the dynamics involved. 

 I would had hopped  that some of his learning experience and growth as a person would had lead to a wiser decision.

Again , Apparently not

Aside from the catastrophic damage to Ukraine and the Uranian people , It had got to be a blunder of monumental proportions for the USA.

It has pushed Russia into the hands of China. It has created the environment for a cold war that none of us will live long enough to see the end of it. And is threatening the predominance of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by sirineou

[Fortunateson]

The US dug its own hole a long time ago with its blind support of Israel.  Now reaping what it sowed, but no problem, because the US never met a war it did not like

[billd766]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

The terrorist's supporter advises with his military knowledge...........🤣 .............

He is making good sense to me. 

 

He is correct as tanks are great in some areas, but not so good in street fighting when they have to slow to get over mounds of rubble. As they reach the top of the heap the thinner armour underneath is exposed.

 

Another problem is that if a tank is disabled in the street it tends to block the street and is hard to remove and recover.

[nobodysfriend]

13 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Another problem is that if a tank is disabled in the street it tends to block the street and is hard to remove and recover.

 

The Iraelis gained a lot of experience by doing their raids on the Jenin camp .

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/10/24/israels-armored-caterpillar-bulldozers-will-be-active-in-gaza/?sh=694080a634d6

 

 

As in the past, the Israeli Defense Force will rely on an effective tool - the armored D9R bulldozer - to root out Hamas militants and clear deadly explosives

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

The Iraelis gained a lot of experience by doing their raids on the Jenin camp .

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/10/24/israels-armored-caterpillar-bulldozers-will-be-active-in-gaza/?sh=694080a634d6

 

 

As in the past, the Israeli Defense Force will rely on an effective tool - the armored D9R bulldozer - to root out Hamas militants and clear deadly explosives

 

I have just looked it up on a search and from what I could see, its weakest point seems to be its tracks. Take one track out and it becomes a very expensive road block, and hard to repair or remove whilst a battle is raging around it.

 

In addition whilst it is very well armoured, it also seems to be   unarmed and will require a large number of heavily armed and armoured troops to support it.

[scottiejohn]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

unarmed and will require a large number of heavily armed and armoured troops to support it.

They can be armed with L/HMGs!

[billd766]

24 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

They can be armed with L/HMGs!

But can be armed is not quite the same is is armed as standard.

 

No regular pick up truck is armed as standard, but...

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The last place that they'll send tanks into imho, the odd APC to flush out the opposition, then it will be call up the Airforce to clear them out, less casualties on the Israeli side but it will be expensive, maybe that's Hamas's strategy, bleed them dry financially.

America can print more money to keep the israelis in bombs as long as it takes.

BTW, APCs ( M113 ) that I've seen on the screen waiting outside Gaza are made of aluminium and IMO would be less protected against RPGs than tanks ( which often have reactive armour ), especially on the flat sides.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M113_armored_personnel_carrier

 

The Israel Defense Forces still operates large numbers of the M113, maintaining a fleet of 6,000 of the vehicles. On numerous occasions since their introduction in the late 1960s, the IDF's M113s have proven vulnerable to modern anti-tank missiles, IEDs, and RPGs, resulting in the deaths of many Israeli soldiers riding inside the vehicles.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

They can be armed with L/HMGs!

That only works till a sniper takes out the gunner.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, sirineou said:

First let me say that I voted for Biden , as the only option available  to bridge the county in the post trump presidency .

And I don't know what else I could have done at the time , it was either him or trump.  but in view of subsequent decisions it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.   

   First concerning Israel. Being that Washington DC is part of the Israeli occupied territories I don't see what he or any other president could have done differently. So I give him that. Israel is the third rail of American politics. Touch it and you die, 

   He was a major supporter of the invasion of Iraq, afterward he said that he had learned from that experience and had grown as a person and a politician. .  

Apparently not!

First we need to understand that while he was VP to Obama he was in charge of the Ukrainian agenda.He knows a thing or two about the dynamics involved. 

 I would had hopped  that some of his learning experience and growth as a person would had lead to a wiser decision.

Again , Apparently not

Aside from the catastrophic damage to Ukraine and the Uranian people , It had got to be a blunder of monumental proportions for the USA.

It has pushed Russia into the hands of China. It has created the environment for a cold war that none of us will live long enough to see the end of it. And is threatening the predominance of the dollar as the world's reserve currency. 

 

 

Once again I have to agree with you.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Whilst I can agree with the majority of your post, I do feel saying Palestinian forces needs to be corrected to Hamas forces, to be fair to Palestinians who do not support Hamas the perpetuators of this conflict.

Errr, a few lightly armed fighters are not a "force" IMO.

If they were a force, they might have stood a better chance against the israelis in all the previous israeli assaults on Gaza.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

As far as I can see the US military is the strongest force in the area at this time, and the Israeli forces would probably be more careful about biting the hands that feed them.

I might agree except it seems to me that israel is the one calling the shots and the US is just going along with whatever they demand.

I just hope that I'm wrong, or it's going to get a whole lot worse.