Michael Cohen says he inflated assets to ‘whatever number Trump told us to’

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Those who intentionally take or possess classified documents get prosecuted.

LOL 
 

 

 

8 USC § 793(e) deals with the unauthorized possession of sensitive materials with reason to believe it could injure the United States and willfully disclosing to unauthorized person. This statute applies to any person who has unauthorized possession of any information or material that the government has determined to be “related to the national defense.” This includes any information or material that could be used to harm the United States or its interests. If an individual is found guilty of violating this statute, they can be punished with fines, imprisonment, or both.



1. Bidens were "secured" in his car.  Hillary Clintons in a bathroom.  Trump in Mar Largo surrounded by secret service agents

2. Trump did not destroy any documents.  Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton did. 

3. Trump has the power while in office to declassfy documents.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

4. Trump was negotiating with the GSA over the possession of documents.  Neither Biden, or Hillary were.  

5. Trump did not share access to the classified documents.  Biden gave access to the garage to at least his son.  Hillary gave complete and unfettered access to those handling her computer server, Huma Abedin her assistant and Cheryl Mills her attorney.  Huma Abedin in turn transferred the contents of the computer to her then husband Anthony Weiner.  

THE FBI GAVE COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO ABEDIN AND MILLS.  

And you really want to tell me this is not biased.  

 

 

[candide]

22 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

LOL 
 

 

 

8 USC § 793(e) deals with the unauthorized possession of sensitive materials with reason to believe it could injure the United States and willfully disclosing to unauthorized person. This statute applies to any person who has unauthorized possession of any information or material that the government has determined to be “related to the national defense.” This includes any information or material that could be used to harm the United States or its interests. If an individual is found guilty of violating this statute, they can be punished with fines, imprisonment, or both.



1. Bidens were "secured" in his car.  Hillary Clintons in a bathroom.  Trump in Mar Largo surrounded by secret service agents

2. Trump did not destroy any documents.  Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton did. 

3. Trump has the power while in office to declassfy documents.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

4. Trump was negotiating with the GSA over the possession of documents.  Neither Biden, or Hillary were.  

5. Trump did not share access to the classified documents.  Biden gave access to the garage to at least his son.  Hillary gave complete and unfettered access to those handling her computer server, Huma Abedin her assistant and Cheryl Mills her attorney.  Huma Abedin in turn transferred the contents of the computer to her then husband Anthony Weiner.  

THE FBI GAVE COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO ABEDIN AND MILLS.  

And you really want to tell me this is not biased.  

 

 

The quote in the image is characterising you quite accurately. Good choice!

[Longwood50]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

The quote in the image is characterising you quite accurately. Good choice!

No not at all,  Perhaps Trump is guilty however 

1. name one just one other person the state of NY has gone after for fabricating or inflating assets in a loan application where the bank has not filed a complaint. 

2. name one just one where the attorney general has even investigated a person or company without a complaint. 

If you can't see the difference, it is you that sees the truth but your hatred of Trump says that government can in fact weaponize itself against political opponents and not apply equal treatment and justice. 

The fact you had Biden, Clinton, and Berger all committ more aggregious violations of mishandling classified docuemnts but not being prosecuted with only Berger who not only stole the material but shredding it being given a misdomener.  

You liberals like to beat the mantra that No One Is Above The Law but you should put an asterisk by it, that the law does not apply to anyone who similarly is a liberal. 

Martha Stewart was accused of securities fraud but found not guilty.  She was however found guilty of .  two counts of lying to federal investigators (a securities fraud charge was dismissed) on March 5, 2004.  Who was the prosecuter.  James Comey the same James Comey that said no reasonable prosecutor would bring a charge against Hillary despite lying under oath. 

With liberals the laws are for Thee not for Me. 
 

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22 minutes ago, candide said:

The quote in the image is characterising you quite accurately. Good choice!

As pointed out previously, the secret service was not of Mar-A-Lago to protect the documents. What's more, it wasn't even notified that there were documents to protect. Not that that would have mattered.

And Trump had no right to negotiate the issue of what documents to return. The law very clearly states that a financial archives demands their return that they must be immediately returned. In fact, NARA, was just humoring Trump. After the documents were returned, Trump's legal counsel claimed that none remained in his possession. This was a falsehood. That raises the issue of obstruction of justice.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

LOL 
 

 

 

8 USC § 793(e) deals with the unauthorized possession of sensitive materials with reason to believe it could injure the United States and willfully disclosing to unauthorized person. This statute applies to any person who has unauthorized possession of any information or material that the government has determined to be “related to the national defense.” This includes any information or material that could be used to harm the United States or its interests. If an individual is found guilty of violating this statute, they can be punished with fines, imprisonment, or both.



1. Bidens were "secured" in his car.  Hillary Clintons in a bathroom.  Trump in Mar Largo surrounded by secret service agents

2. Trump did not destroy any documents.  Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton did. 

3. Trump has the power while in office to declassfy documents.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

4. Trump was negotiating with the GSA over the possession of documents.  Neither Biden, or Hillary were.  

5. Trump did not share access to the classified documents.  Biden gave access to the garage to at least his son.  Hillary gave complete and unfettered access to those handling her computer server, Huma Abedin her assistant and Cheryl Mills her attorney.  Huma Abedin in turn transferred the contents of the computer to her then husband Anthony Weiner.  

THE FBI GAVE COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO ABEDIN AND MILLS.  

And you really want to tell me this is not biased.  

 

 

You are simply wrong.

 

Joe Biden had a few classified documents mixed in the boxes of unclassified documents. As soon as they were discovered, they were turned over to the government.

 

Trump took huge amounts of classified documents. When the government notified Trump, he declined to hand them over.

 

No, they were not "guarded " by the Secret Service. They didn't even know they were there.

 

Trump did eventually hand some over, but claimed he had no more. Lie. He had plenty more, including some in his desk.

 

And Trump never went through the declassification process with these documents.

 

You are parroting defenses that Trump won't use.

 

[Longwood50]

28 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are simply wrong.

Danderman,  You are the one that is wrong. 

1. There is no determination if Trump did or did not declassify the documents. 
2. Trumps attorneys WERE ALREADY IN TALKS WITH THE DOJ regarding the return of documents and there were disagreements over the classificiation.  Despite the talks Mar Largo was raided but not Joe Bidens Garage
3. As to your comment about the Secret Service.  That is a red herring argument  THE ENTIRE FACILITY WAS GUARDED BY SECRET SERVICE  Hint: That includes the documents inside of it, irrepsective of whether the secret service knew of their location
4. You convenently omit that the Biden car and garage was not guarded by anyone at all.  The crime sir is taking classified documents and not securing them safely.  The fact they were returned IS IRRELEVANT. 

5. I notice you conveniently omit reference to Hillarly Clinton who not only did not return them but rather destroyed the servers and her phones.  Something that Trump did not do

6. You conveniently omit that Hillary was given a pass despite sharing classified material with her computer people and her aides.  Again that is a crime and something that Trump did not do. 

My issue is solely THERE IS AN UNEQUAL TREATMENT BASED PURELY POLITICAL

You weaponize the NY attorney generals office to look ONLY AT TRUMP RECORDS AND NO ONE ELSE.  You have the DOJ issue a raid on Trump but not on Hillary or Biden.  

If you can't see that is unequal treatment, I suggest your get a cranial imaging test.  Your brain is missing. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Longwood50

[candide]

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Danderman,  You are the one that is wrong. 

1. There is no determination if Trump did or did not declassify the documents. 
2. Trumps attorneys WERE ALREADY IN TALKS WITH THE DOJ regarding the return of documents and there were disagreements over the classificiation.  Despite the talks Mar Largo was raided but not Joe Bidens Garage
3. As to your comment about the Secret Service.  That is a red herring argument  THE ENTIRE FACILITY WAS GUARDED BY SECRET SERVICE  Hint: That includes the documents inside of it, irrepsective of whether the secret service knew of their location
4. You convenently omit that the Biden car and garage was not guarded by anyone at all.  The crime sir is taking classified documents and not securing them safely.  The fact they were returned IS IRRELEVANT. 

5. I notice you conveniently omit reference to Hillarly Clinton who not only did not return them but rather destroyed the servers and her phones.  Something that Trump did not do

6. You conveniently omit that Hillary was given a pass despite sharing classified material with her computer people and her aides.  Again that is a crime and something that Trump did not do. 

My issue is solely THERE IS AN UNEQUAL TREATMENT BASED PURELY POLITICAL

You weaponize the NY attorney generals office to look ONLY AT TRUMP RECORDS AND NO ONE ELSE.  You have the DOJ issue a raid on Trump but not on Hillary or Biden.  

If you can't see that is unequal treatment, I suggest your get a cranial imaging test.  Your brain is missing. 

As usual, you forget to acknowledge that Trump intentionally kept presidential records, and not only refused to give some of them back, but hid them and lied about it. On top of it, he knowingly shared the content of some of them with guests.

[placeholder]

4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Danderman,  You are the one that is wrong. 

1. There is no determination if Trump did or did not declassify the documents. 
2. Trumps attorneys WERE ALREADY IN TALKS WITH THE DOJ regarding the return of documents and there were disagreements over the classificiation.  Despite the talks Mar Largo was raided but not Joe Bidens Garage
3. As to your comment about the Secret Service.  That is a red herring argument  THE ENTIRE FACILITY WAS GUARDED BY SECRET SERVICE  Hint: That includes the documents inside of it, irrepsective of whether the secret service knew of their location
4. You convenently omit that the Biden car and garage was not guarded by anyone at all.  The crime sir is taking classified documents and not securing them safely.  The fact they were returned IS IRRELEVANT. 

5. I notice you conveniently omit reference to Hillarly Clinton who not only did not return them but rather destroyed the servers and her phones.  Something that Trump did not do

6. You conveniently omit that Hillary was given a pass despite sharing classified material with her computer people and her aides.  Again that is a crime and something that Trump did not do. 

My issue is solely THERE IS AN UNEQUAL TREATMENT BASED PURELY POLITICAL

You weaponize the NY attorney generals office to look ONLY AT TRUMP RECORDS AND NO ONE ELSE.  You have the DOJ issue a raid on Trump but not on Hillary or Biden.  

If you can't see that is unequal treatment, I suggest your get a cranial imaging test.  Your brain is missing. 

1)There is no evidence that Trump declassified the documents. None of his staff are actually backing up his claim.  What's more, there is an audiotape of Trump reading from a classified document to an audience of a few people where he specifically says that the document was classified and he couldn't declassify it now because he was no longer President.

 

2)As for those talks with Trump and his people. At the end of them, Trump's lawyer signed a paper that all the documents had been returned. It was only when NARA got wind of the fact that not only had Trump retained documents, but that some of them were classified did they call in the Justice Dept.

 

3)And it is false to claim that the entire facility was guarded by the Secret Service. Mar a Lago a glorified country club. Unvetted people were in and out all day long. It's been documented that the documents were left in unguarded locations. The job of the Secret Service is to protect the person of the President and whoever else qualified for such protection. They do not protect the property. Your claim is false. What makes it even worse is that the Secret Service was never advised that there were such documents on the grounds. How would they even knhow to protect such documents if they didn't know that they existed?

 

4)What you conveniently ignore about Biden's possession of documents is that it has to be shown to be willful. In Trump's case the evidence is overwhelming since he could have been held in violation of the law simply for refusing to return the documents when NARA requested them. Also, the discovery of documents in pl

 

5)Hillary Clinton did not destroy her server or have it destroyed. As for her phones the issue is a lot more complicated. Here is an explanation.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-hillary-clinton-hammer-private-email-server-evidence-fbi-1806046

 

6)As for Clinton sharing classified info with her aides and technicians...even if you had evidence that they weren't cleared to see this information, which seems really unlikely, that a Sec of State's people couldn't view such info. the actions have to be shown to be willful violations of the rules in order to be judged to be criminal. Trump's clearly were willful.

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by placeholder

[illisdean]

Actually, ONLY the AFFIDAVIT for the Mar-a-Lago search was based on the non-crime of PRA classified docs in Trumps possession, it was the only way the DOJ could get a warrant in search of a crime, and then refused to release the AFFIDAVIT until Trump appealed and the judge ordered a redacted version to be released.

How many times is the PRA mentioned in the affidavit or indictment? The majority of the charges in the Mar-a-lago case are based on the espionage act of 1917, (31/37 counts), and obstruction, false statements. The PRA is not a criminal statute and the FPOTUS cannot be charged for possessing presidential records classified or otherwise. A senator or VP can though and should, unless your name is Biden. The DOJ counsel requested Trump securely store docs at Mar-a-Lago until further notice. (see attahed jpg)

 

Affidavit

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22267188/mar-a-lago-affidavit.pdf

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

My issue is solely THERE IS AN UNEQUAL TREATMENT BASED PURELY POLITICAL

There has been unequal treatment all right: for a long time, Trump has been handled with kid gloves. Anyone else doing the things Trump did would have been in jail for years. So Trump probably thought he was untouchable, seeing as how he got away with so many things other people would never get away with, but finally justice is catching up with him now. Nothing political about that. 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Actually, ONLY the AFFIDAVIT for the Mar-a-Lago search was based on the non-crime of PRA classified docs in Trumps possession, it was the only way the DOJ could get a warrant in search of a crime, and then refused to release the AFFIDAVIT until Trump appealed and the judge ordered a redacted version to be released.

How many times is the PRA mentioned in the affidavit or indictment? The majority of the charges in the Mar-a-lago case are based on the espionage act of 1917, (31/37 counts), and obstruction, false statements. The PRA is not a criminal statute and the FPOTUS cannot be charged for possessing presidential records classified or otherwise. A senator or VP can though and should, unless your name is Biden. The DOJ counsel requested Trump securely store docs at Mar-a-Lago until further notice. (see attahed jpg)

 

Affidavit

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22267188/mar-a-lago-affidavit.pdf

Did you forget to read the first page?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/mar-a-lago-affidavit-pdf/5cf823c5850b5e30/full.pdf

 

[Georgealbert]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Did you forget to read the first page?

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/mar-a-lago-affidavit-pdf/5cf823c5850b5e30/full.pdf

 

Stop posting facts, you know the Trump fan club will just cherry pick and lie, to support their hero.

[illisdean]

Yes, PRA is mentioned in the affidavit the DOJ wanted buried, BUT not in the indictment and there are ZERO indictments concerning classified docs. Right, you get it now?

[illisdean]

15 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Stop posting facts, you know the Trump fan club will just cherry pick and lie, to support their hero.

The classification status of documents is moot, nonexistent, except to create the predicate for the proverbial FBI nose under the tent. The DOJ got a warrant to look for classified documents, but never intended to use classified documents as a case cornerstone because President Trump had full declassification authority.  The DOJ got a search warrant by convincing a judge they were looking for something that wasn’t even a violation of law. That’s why the DOJ would not reveal the probable cause affidavit.  The search was built upon a fraudulent pretense.  “Classified” is a snipe hunt.

Edited November 28, 2023 by illisdean

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Yes, PRA is mentioned in the affidavit the DOJ wanted buried, BUT not in the indictment and there are ZERO indictments concerning classified docs. Right, you get it now?

Actually, while in the original indictment there was no mention of violations concerning classified document, in the superseding indictment there were.

• A new indictment was filed today in connection with the ongoing prosecution by special counsel Jack Smith of Trump and a top aide, adding charges against the former president for his handling of classified documents after he left the White House. The new, or superseding, indictment also charges Carlos De Oliveira, a maintenance worker at Mar-a-Lago who helped move boxes in of classified documents.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-grand-jury-indictment-rcna96233

[Longwood50]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

There has been unequal treatment all right: for a long time, Trump has been handled with kid gloves.

Now there is truly the most stupid comment I have ever heard on ths forum. 

1. Trump was targeted from the moment he started to run for office.
2. They targeted him over the Stormy Daniels issue
3. They falsely targeted him for the Russia Gate which was totally fabricated based on a dossier paid for by the DNC and by Hillary Clinton
4. They targeted him for impeachment for suggesting that Ukraine investigate the Biden/Ukraine arrangement.  That despite Biden himself being taped bragging he got the prosecutor fired and that brought no outcry
5. They have attempted to target him for the emoluments clause because some government employees stayed at his resorts 

6 They have targeted him for the January 6 incident despite no proof he did anything to incite it. 
7. They sued him in New York for Trump University. PS Florida and Texas both investigated the same issue and found no reason to sue
8. Now HE IS THE ONLY PERSON. I REPEAT THE ONLY PERSON that the state of NY has ever deliberately gone after for supplying what has been described as inflated assets.  Mind you irrespective of the financials THE BANK WAS BEING PAID 
9. They are indicting him for having classified information in his possesion. 

However with Biden, his family has received money from both Russia and China but no indictments.  He got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired that was investigating his son but no charges.  He stuck classified documents not inside a residence guarded by secret service but totally accessible to others including his son.  No charges. 

Hillary Clinton broke the law by having a private server.  That is against the law.  She used personal rather than government email That is against the law.  She destroyed records under subpoena that is against the law.  She lied to congress and the FBI under oath that is against the law.  She failed to turn over all records to the GSA, that is against the law.  However, no charges ever brought.

I suggest sir, your hatred for Trump has so totally obscured your ability to look objectively. 

 

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

I suggest sir, your hatred for Trump has so totally obscured your ability to look objectively.

I suggest sir, your love/devotion/adulation/worship for Trump has so totally obscured your ability to look objectively that you are prepared to twist yourself and your brain into a pretzel to defend your idol. 

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

Danderman,  You are the one that is wrong. 

1. There is no determination if Trump did or did not declassify the documents. 


 

Here's a hint:

 

there is a declassification procedure that Trump never followed regarding the classified documents he stole.

 

There has to be a positive determination that the documents were declassified. And Trump admitted and was recorded saying documents were not declassified.

 

Your opinions will never be advanced as defenses by Trump, so no point dealing with them.

 

Some people have stolen classified documents, were caught and prosecuted, Trump among them.

[Longwood50]

10 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

there is a declassification procedure that Trump never followed regarding the classified documents he stole.

Again you keep missing the point.  Lets say Trump is guilty of everything you say he is.  

MY POINT SEE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.  

 

ONLY HE IS BEING SINGLED OUT FOR PROSECUTION

I have challenged you on several occasions. I will do it again.  Name 1 just 1 other person or company that the NY attorney generals office has gone to a bank, subpoened records and then charged them with inflating the value of supporting documents given to the bank, when the bank did not complain. 

You talk about Trump and the classified documents.  OK lets say he should not have had them.  NEITHER SHOULD BIDEN.  THEY WERE STORED IN HIS CORVETTE.  AT LEAST TRUMPS WERE IN MAR LARGO WHICH WAS SECURED BY THE SECRET SERVCIE.  So who who was the most guilty Biden or Trump in mishandling the documents

With Hillary, she not only had classified material BUT SHE SHARED IT WITH HUMA ABEDIN AND CHERYL MILLS.  Trump did not share the documents so again who is more guilty and who is being prosecuted

If you only use the government and its agencies to go against your polticial enemies.  

THAT IS WEAPONIZING. AND THAT SIR IS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE. 

This has been a strategy from the very beginning.  Keep prosecuting him, for whatever offenses you can find or dream up like Russia Gate.  Make him expend his energy and money fighting the government at every turn. 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Again you keep missing the point.  Lets say Trump is guilty of everything you say he is.  

MY POINT SEE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.  

 

ONLY HE IS BEING SINGLED OUT FOR PROSECUTION

I have challenged you on several occasions. I will do it again.  Name 1 just 1 other person or company that the NY attorney generals office has gone to a bank, subpoened records and then charged them with inflating the value of supporting documents given to the bank, when the bank did not complain. 

You talk about Trump and the classified documents.  OK lets say he should not have had them.  NEITHER SHOULD BIDEN.  THEY WERE STORED IN HIS CORVETTE.  AT LEAST TRUMPS WERE IN MAR LARGO WHICH WAS SECURED BY THE SECRET SERVCIE.  So who who was the most guilty Biden or Trump in mishandling the documents

With Hillary, she not only had classified material BUT SHE SHARED IT WITH HUMA ABEDIN AND CHERYL MILLS.  Trump did not share the documents so again who is more guilty and who is being prosecuted

If you only use the government and its agencies to go against your polticial enemies.  

THAT IS WEAPONIZING. AND THAT SIR IS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE. 

This has been a strategy from the very beginning.  Keep prosecuting him, for whatever offenses you can find or dream up like Russia Gate.  Make him expend his energy and money fighting the government at every turn. 

 

Ignoring facts you don't like again!

 

Trump willfully took documents, refused to give back some of them, hid them, lied about it, obstructed justice and  share the content of some documents with guests (while stating that he knew he had no right to do so as he couldn't reclassify them). Evidence from his own statements, statements, documents, testimonies under oath, video and audiobrecord8ngs.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Again you keep missing the point.  Lets say Trump is guilty of everything you say he is.  

MY POINT SEE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.  

 

ONLY HE IS BEING SINGLED OUT FOR PROSECUTION

I have challenged you on several occasions. I will do it again.  Name 1 just 1 other person or company that the NY attorney generals office has gone to a bank, subpoened records and then charged them with inflating the value of supporting documents given to the bank, when the bank did not complain. 

You talk about Trump and the classified documents.  OK lets say he should not have had them.  NEITHER SHOULD BIDEN.  THEY WERE STORED IN HIS CORVETTE.  AT LEAST TRUMPS WERE IN MAR LARGO WHICH WAS SECURED BY THE SECRET SERVCIE.  So who who was the most guilty Biden or Trump in mishandling the documents

With Hillary, she not only had classified material BUT SHE SHARED IT WITH HUMA ABEDIN AND CHERYL MILLS.  Trump did not share the documents so again who is more guilty and who is being prosecuted

If you only use the government and its agencies to go against your polticial enemies.  

THAT IS WEAPONIZING. AND THAT SIR IS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE. 

This has been a strategy from the very beginning.  Keep prosecuting him, for whatever offenses you can find or dream up like Russia Gate.  Make him expend his energy and money fighting the government at every turn. 

 

Any criminal can make that argument.

 

Worthless in court, where the issue is innocence or guilt, not what the prosecutor had for breakfast.

 

Your argument means that the first person indicted under a new law would have a Get Out of Jail Free card. It seems you haven't thought much about this.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Danderman123

[heybruce]

On 11/28/2023 at 10:29 PM, Longwood50 said:

Again you keep missing the point.  Lets say Trump is guilty of everything you say he is.  

MY POINT SEE IF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.  

 

ONLY HE IS BEING SINGLED OUT FOR PROSECUTION

I have challenged you on several occasions. I will do it again.  Name 1 just 1 other person or company that the NY attorney generals office has gone to a bank, subpoened records and then charged them with inflating the value of supporting documents given to the bank, when the bank did not complain. 

You talk about Trump and the classified documents.  OK lets say he should not have had them.  NEITHER SHOULD BIDEN.  THEY WERE STORED IN HIS CORVETTE.  AT LEAST TRUMPS WERE IN MAR LARGO WHICH WAS SECURED BY THE SECRET SERVCIE.  So who who was the most guilty Biden or Trump in mishandling the documents

With Hillary, she not only had classified material BUT SHE SHARED IT WITH HUMA ABEDIN AND CHERYL MILLS.  Trump did not share the documents so again who is more guilty and who is being prosecuted

If you only use the government and its agencies to go against your polticial enemies.  

THAT IS WEAPONIZING. AND THAT SIR IS WHAT IS BEING DONE HERE. 

This has been a strategy from the very beginning.  Keep prosecuting him, for whatever offenses you can find or dream up like Russia Gate.  Make him expend his energy and money fighting the government at every turn. 

 

Let's assume for a moment that Trump is being targeted for prosecution just because he seeks the highest elected office in America.  Good.  People seeking such office should be scrutinized diligently, and if such scrutiny shows they committed crimes they should be made an example of through aggressive prosecution.  That would let ambitious criminals know that if they want to keep their affairs secret they should not seek public office. 

 

It's for the good of the nation.  Don't you agree?

 

[LosLobo]

Trump gag order appeal failed....

 

 

[Danderman123]

On 11/28/2023 at 4:50 PM, illisdean said:

The PRA is not a criminal statute and the FPOTUS cannot be charged for possessing presidential records classified or otherwise. 

You are correct, the PRA has no criminal penalties. But it explicitly states that an exPresident cannot retain records from their previous administration.

 

The FBI appropriately raided Trump's club when they learned that Trump violated the PRA by retaining presidential records. Once the FBI determined that some of the illegally held records contained defense information, Trump was indicted.

[Danderman123]

On 11/28/2023 at 11:01 AM, Longwood50 said:

LOL 
 

 

 

8 USC § 793(e) deals with the unauthorized possession of sensitive materials with reason to believe it could injure the United States and willfully disclosing to unauthorized person. This statute applies to any person who has unauthorized possession of any information or material that the government has determined to be “related to the national defense.” This includes any information or material that could be used to harm the United States or its interests. If an individual is found guilty of violating this statute, they can be punished with fines, imprisonment, or both.



1. Bidens were "secured" in his car.  Hillary Clintons in a bathroom.  Trump in Mar Largo surrounded by secret service agents

2. Trump did not destroy any documents.  Sandy Berger and Hillary Clinton did. 

3. Trump has the power while in office to declassfy documents.  Hillary Clinton did not. 

4. Trump was negotiating with the GSA over the possession of documents.  Neither Biden, or Hillary were.  

5. Trump did not share access to the classified documents.  Biden gave access to the garage to at least his son.  Hillary gave complete and unfettered access to those handling her computer server, Huma Abedin her assistant and Cheryl Mills her attorney.  Huma Abedin in turn transferred the contents of the computer to her then husband Anthony Weiner.  

THE FBI GAVE COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO ABEDIN AND MILLS.  

And you really want to tell me this is not biased.  

 

 

Trump's attorney informed Trump that his retention of classified documents was a crime.

 

Trump's people told him to give back the classified documents, but Trump refused.

 

Please explain why your legal knowledge is greater than Trumps lawyers?

[Longwood50]

On 12/1/2023 at 9:28 AM, Danderman123 said:

Please explain why your legal knowledge is greater than Trumps lawyers?

You continue to deflect.  Tell me why Biden should not then be prosecuted also.  

My point and I keep repeating it and you keep ignoring it is not that crimes may or may not have been committed. 

Tell me specifically why Hillary Clinton was not prosecuted for sharing classified inforamation with those without security clearance.

Tell me why Biden is not being prosecuted for keeping classified information in his corvette in an unguarded garage with access open to his son and others. 

That sir is weaponizing when you only go after your political opponents and let your friends go off scott free.

I will await your repsonse. But I expect more deflection. 

Since you are such a big one one prosecuting the guilty.  Tell me when the trials for the White House Press Secretary begin.  She was warned of the violation of the Hatch Act but chose to ignore it. 

Oh wait.  No trial.  It says the office chose to not take any disciplinary action. 

While Jean-Pierre and Bates acted “contrary” to the OSC’s warning and guidance, the office decided against any disciplinary action, Hatch Act Unit Chief Ana Galindo‐Marrone said in a letter sent in October. Galindo‐Marrone said Jean-Pierre and Bates had not appeared to use “MAGA” in an official capacity since their June infractions but that the OSC would keep watch for future violations.

Gosh, I wonder what they would do if they didn't take the law and upholding the Hatch Act seriously.  Give them a bonus? 

[Longwood50]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:42 PM, heybruce said:

It's for the good of the nation.  Don't you agree?

I started my post by saying this was political targeting.  Weaponizing government to go after only your political opponents and letting your friends go free. 

I would tell you that the ATF going after Hunter Biden for a gun application permit crime was "politically motivated"  Few if any are ever charged with lying on the ATF form.  Most prosecuted tend to be people with felony convictions who know they are not supposed to have a firearm.

With Trump, 

1. Name one just one company or individual that the New York Attorney Generals Office went to a bank without the bank filing a complaint and sought out specifically that person, or company to examine the records. 

2. Name one just one company or individual that the New York Attorney Generals Office has brought charges for inflating financial net worth when applying for a loan. 

If Trump was, and I believe it to be true THE ONLY PERSON the NY Attorney General sought any information on, that is weaponizing. 

Not any different than if the police say they are stopping drunk driving but only stop your car and not one elses. 

[ukrules]

Banks value every asset themselves and they believe nobody elses numbers.

 

So any information provided is quite literally meaningless

 

What's worth 50 million to one person might be valued at 10 million by the bank and they go with their own internal figures.

 

This is why the case will go nowhere, because it's complete nonsense.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

You continue to deflect.  Tell me why Biden should not then be prosecuted also.  

 

Biden's handful of classified documents were intermingled with many other unclassified documents. When discovered by Biden's lawyers, the classified documents were returned immediately.

 

Trump took hundreds of classified documents, retained them after the government demanded they be returned, much later gave back some, and then claimed he had no more, which was a lie.

 

Lying about retention of classified documents is a big no-no, don't you agree?

[candide]

5 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You continue to deflect.  Tell me why Biden should not then be prosecuted also.  

Come on! Don't pretend you don't know why! You've been told a few dozens of time already!

 

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-us-department-of-justice-michael-pence-7e616d65db8a76a078d1ec9268c13a77

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/trump-documents-case-biden-clinton-pence.html