43 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

As I said, using your logic

1. Have the police raid your home to see if you are doing anything illegal
2. Have the IRS deliberately go after a political opponent to review just his taxes
3. Have the building inpectors go after only the buildings of your political opponent
4. Subpoena only the bank records of your political opponents to see if you can uncover anything that might be used to bring charges
5. Have the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agency raid your home to see if you possess any illegal weapons
6. Have Medicare look at all the submissions of only your political opponents to see if you submitted any false claims

Bottom line, keep your political opponent so bottled up in audits, investigations, and court actions to pummel them into submission. 

You obviously lack the common sense to see the difference between there being probable cause to investigate a person versus engaging on a targeted witch hunt. 

Also you are supplanting the governements assessment for what the values are versus the bank that made the loan.

The bank is the one who made the loan and was comfortable with the valuations. 

 

IN NO OTHER CASE DID THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL SEARCH THE RECORDS OF ANYONE ELSE.  THAT IS USING THE GOVERNMENT TO CRIPPLE A POLITICAL FOE. 

Danderman, 

As said, your hatred for Trump has blinded you.  As said, even the Chinese government recognizes the actions by the State Attorney General as weaponizing.  

Be careful what you ask for, it might come true.  I am sure you would cry foul. If the State of Texas engaged in a targeted investigation focused only on Joe Biden and subpoenaed only his records.  Not investigating a reported crime but trying to determine if one was committed. 

Once again, it was revealed publicly that the Trump Organization committed fraud. Only then did the NY AG investigate.

 

Your examples miss that critcal element.

 

It is common for a legal  investigation to follow public disclosures of malfeasance.

2 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You still miss the point.  Irrespective of whether Trumps values were inflated THE AG'S OFFICE WEAPONiZED itself targeting only Trump

If the AG's office for whatever reason was conducting a broad investigation of bank fraud and uncovered Trump, I would agree with you.  However they did not.  They went soley after Trump's records

A prosecuting attorney's office does not go combing through records to find evidence of a crime.  They respond to a complaint from an aggrieved party.  The banks did not complain.  The AG went solely after Trump. 

 

If I recall, it was Michael Cohen (Trump's personal attorney) who testified under oath at a Congressional hearing and revealed all the shenanigans going on at Trump Org.  The AG has mentioned that it was this testimony that got her office investigating.

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Have the IRS deliberately go after a political opponent to review just his taxes

Seems so, but only when Trump was in power.

 

Trump sought to have political opponents investigated by IRS: report (nypost.com)

5 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You still miss the point.  Irrespective of whether Trumps values were inflated THE AG'S OFFICE WEAPONiZED itself targeting only Trump

If the AG's office for whatever reason was conducting a broad investigation of bank fraud and uncovered Trump, I would agree with you.  However they did not.  They went soley after Trump's records

A prosecuting attorney's office does not go combing through records to find evidence of a crime.  They respond to a complaint from an aggrieved party.  The banks did not complain.  The AG went solely after Trump. 

 

NY Attorney General announces $328 million in settlement funds from Uber and Lyft for ‘taking earnings’

 

So, are you going to complain about this investigation, too?

On 10/25/2023 at 2:45 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The court has already determined criminal fraud.

Oh yeah, that's interesting, when did that happen?

Do you have a link corroborating your claim or cite the indictment charge?

You do understand the distinction between civil and criminal proceedings?

 

Hint: New York Executive Law § 63(12)

Edited November 3, 20232 yr by illisdean

5 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

 

 

As said, your hatred for Trump has blinded you.  As said, even the Chinese government recognizes the actions by the State Attorney General as weaponizing.  
 

Your love of Trump has not?

 

 

22 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Oh yeah, that's interesting, when did that happen?

Do you have a link corroborating your claim or cite the indictment charge?

You do understand the distinction between civil and criminal proceedings?

 

Hint: New York Executive Law § 63(12)

I look forward to us discussing the tab.

57 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Your love of Trump has not?

 

 

This goes way beyond love. Adulation, worship, idolization come to mind.

22 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, are you going to complain about this investigation, too?

Ah the apples to oranges argument. 

1. What prompted the investigation. 
2. Was the aggrieved party injured by the action. 
3. The AG's office was not targeting a person it hated and wanted to punsih. 

In Trump's case there was no party who complained.  I suspect that in the case of Uber you had drivers complaining.  Most important, the drivers were damaged by the actions of Uber.  The banks suffered no damage. 

The term sir has now been recognized.  It is called LAWFARE. 

You get those in government using government resources that no person can compete with the pummel a political opponent. 

 

Lawfare is the use of legal systems and institutions to damage or delegitimize an opponent, or to deter an individual's usage of their legal rights.^[1][2][3][4]

The term may refer to the use of legal systems and principles against an enemy, such as by damaging or delegitimizing them, wasting their time and money (e.g. SLAPP suits), or winning a public relations victory

22 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

So, are you going to complain about this investigation, too?

The practice is not unique to the USA it is widely used around the globe. 

 

ASEAN governments must stop using ‘lawfare’ against critics, Southeast Asian MPs say

 

 

 

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DFF | Statements

lawfare | Philippines | walden bello

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Jan 27, 2023

MANILA – The Philippines, as well as other ASEAN member states, must immediately halt the use of judicial harassment and politically-motivated charges against critics and political opponents, a phenomenon known as ‘lawfare’, ASEAN Parliamentarians for Human Rights (APHR) said today at a press conference held in Manila.

“We call on Southeast Asian authorities to stop abusing the legal system to stifle dissent and urge ASEAN to reprimand member states that continue to use lawfare to attack political opposition. The Philippine government can take the first step by dropping all charges against Walden Bello and immediately releasing Senator Leila De Lima and any others that have been unjustly detained due to politically-motivated charges,” said Mercy Barends, Chairperson of ASEAN Parliamentarians for Human Rights (APHR) and member of the Indonesian House of Representatives.

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

The practice is not unique to the USA it is widely used around the globe. 

 

ASEAN governments must stop using ‘lawfare’ against critics, Southeast Asian MPs say

 

 

 



DFF | Statements

lawfare | Philippines | walden bello



Jan 27, 2023

MANILA – The Philippines, as well as other ASEAN member states, must immediately halt the use of judicial harassment and politically-motivated charges against critics and political opponents, a phenomenon known as ‘lawfare’, ASEAN Parliamentarians for Human Rights (APHR) said today at a press conference held in Manila.

“We call on Southeast Asian authorities to stop abusing the legal system to stifle dissent and urge ASEAN to reprimand member states that continue to use lawfare to attack political opposition. The Philippine government can take the first step by dropping all charges against Walden Bello and immediately releasing Senator Leila De Lima and any others that have been unjustly detained due to politically-motivated charges,” said Mercy Barends, Chairperson of ASEAN Parliamentarians for Human Rights (APHR) and member of the Indonesian House of Representatives.

Well, at least you're not claiming any longer that the absence of evidence is evidence that the Bidens committed crimes.

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Ah the apples to oranges argument. 

1. What prompted the investigation. 
 

 

I already explained this to you and you ignored it.  What the heck is wrong with you?

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

I already explained this to you and you ignored it.  What the heck is wrong with you?

 

Obvious.........he's a trump/MAGA supporter and does not recognise anything wrong with the trump clan of crooks. AND facts won't help one iota!

I think it's hilarious that because it's Trump, everyone pretends to believe the bank takes your word for the value of your assets to secure a long, and that the tax collector takes your works for the value of your assets to determining how much tax you have to pay.

 

Does this work for anyone else? 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I think it's hilarious that because it's Trump, everyone pretends to believe the bank takes your word for the value of your assets to secure a long, and that the tax collector takes your works for the value of your assets to determining how much tax you have to pay.

 

Does this work for anyone else? 

The banks examine financial statements very carefully when evaluating a loan application. But, if the statements are fraudulent, then the due diligence is futile.

 

The banks didn't know about the fraud until the Manhattan DA began to investigate.

 

Is all of this too difficult for you to understand?

Edited November 6, 20232 yr by Danderman123

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

The banks examine financial statements very carefully when evaluating a loan application. But, if the statements are fraudulent, then the due diligence is futile.

 

The banks didn't know about the fraud until the Manhattan DA began to investigate.

 

Is all of this too difficult for you to understand?

Ever heard of due diligence? I guess not. Bur here you go: 

 

I think it's hilarious that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends to believe the bank takes your word that your financial statements are complete and correct to secure a loan.

 

It's even funnier that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends the tax collector takes your word for the value of your assets to determine how much tax you have to pay.

 

You guys crack me up. 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Ever heard of due diligence? I guess not. Bur here you go: 

 

I think it's hilarious that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends to believe the bank takes your word that your financial statements are complete and correct to secure a loan.

 

It's even funnier that because it's Trump, everyone on the left pretends the tax collector takes your word for the value of your assets to determine how much tax you have to pay.

 

You guys crack me up. 

The tax collector has nothing to do with assessment of property values.

 

I understand that you want to support Trump, but your urge to do so requires you to spew a lot of bulls*t.

52 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The tax collector has nothing to do with assessment of property values.

 

I understand that you want to support Trump, but your urge to do so requires you to spew a lot of bulls*t.

Right, you just tell the bank what it's worth when you want a loan and tell the tax collector what it's worth when you pay your taxes, got it. 

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Right, you just tell the bank what it's worth when you want a loan and tell the tax collector what it's worth when you pay your taxes, got it. 

You clearly don't understand any of this.

 

I am not going to explain to you the property assessment process. Suffice to say, your position that Trump did nothing wrong is based on your  not understanding what he did wrong.

 

At the very least, do you understand that Trump provided documents which ascribed a high value of his properties to banks, and a low value for the same properties for taxation purposes?

 

If not, then you have completely lost the plot.

Edited November 6, 20232 yr by Danderman123

In all cases, Trump's fraudulent asset valuations are now public information.

 

Yellowtail is trying to claim that the fraud victims are to blame (blame the victim, where have I heard that before), rather than those who perpetuated the fraud. Good luck with that.

 

I guess that's different from blaming selective prosecution, yet another excuse launched by perps.

 

So much for law and order ("it's the victim's fault! No, it's the cops' fault!).

 

24 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

In all cases, Trump's fraudulent asset valuations are now public information.

 

Yellowtail is trying to claim that the fraud victims are to blame (blame the victim, where have I heard that before), rather than those who perpetuated the fraud. Good luck with that.

 

I guess that's different from blaming selective prosecution, yet another excuse launched by perps.

 

So much for law and order ("it's the victim's fault! No, it's the cops' fault!).

 

Yes, the poor multinational banks and tax collectors have been victimized. Oh the humanity!!! 

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, the poor multinational banks and tax collectors have been victimized. Oh the humanity!!! 

So much for law and order.

 

Now you are excusing fraud.

On 11/4/2023 at 4:43 PM, Berkshire said:

already explained this to you and you ignored it.  What the heck is wrong with you?

Because as general Powell once said. YOU ARE STUCK IN STUPID GEAR. 

They don't allow police to enter your home "looking for incriminating evidence'
They don't allow police to stop only the vehicle of a particular person without "probable cause"

The only cause that the attorney general of NY had to look at Trump was that it was Trump. That sir is weaponizing government to pummel a political adversary and it is wrong.  It would be just as wrong if it was the Attorney General of Texas only looking at Joe Biden. 

It was wrong when Nixon did it, and it is wrong wrong when Letticia James does the exact same thing. 

Trump was the only person on her Enemies List 

 

The master list of Nixon political opponents was a secret list compiled by President Richard Nixon's Presidential Counselor Charles Colson. It was an expansion of the original Nixon's Enemies List of 20 key people considered opponents of President Richard Nixon. In total, the expanded list contained 220 people or organizations.

The master list was compiled in mid-1971^[1] in Charles Colson's office and sent in memorandum form to John Dean. On June 27, 1973,^[1] Dean provided to the Senate Watergate Committee this updated "master list" of political opponents.^[2] The original list had multiple sections, including a section for "Black Congressmen".^[3][4][5]

The purpose of the list was to "use the available Federal machinery to screw [their] political enemies."^[1] One such scheme involved using the Internal Revenue Service to harass people on the list.^[1]

 

56 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So much for law and order.

 

Now you are excusing fraud.

Trump said he could shoot someone and wouldn’t lose voters. Judging by what a whole bunch of posters post on this forum, I believe him. Apparently their hatred for ‘the left’ is so deep that they would rather defend and vote for a criminal than vote for ‘a lefty’. Go figure.

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

Because as general Powell once said. YOU ARE STUCK IN STUPID GEAR. 

They don't allow police to enter your home "looking for incriminating evidence'
They don't allow police to stop only the vehicle of a particular person without "probable cause"

The only cause that the attorney general of NY had to look at Trump was that it was Trump. That sir is weaponizing government to pummel a political adversary and it is wrong.  It would be just as wrong if it was the Attorney General of Texas only looking at Joe Biden. 

It was wrong when Nixon did it, and it is wrong wrong when Letticia James does the exact same thing. 

Trump was the only person on her Enemies List 

 

The master list of Nixon political opponents was a secret list compiled by President Richard Nixon's Presidential Counselor Charles Colson. It was an expansion of the original Nixon's Enemies List of 20 key people considered opponents of President Richard Nixon. In total, the expanded list contained 220 people or organizations.

The master list was compiled in mid-1971^[1] in Charles Colson's office and sent in memorandum form to John Dean. On June 27, 1973,^[1] Dean provided to the Senate Watergate Committee this updated "master list" of political opponents.^[2] The original list had multiple sections, including a section for "Black Congressmen".^[3][4][5]

The purpose of the list was to "use the available Federal machinery to screw [their] political enemies."^[1] One such scheme involved using the Internal Revenue Service to harass people on the list.^[1]

 

Trump was publicly known to have committed fraud long before Leticia James began her investigation.

 

Disprove me if you can but otherwise, stop lying.

57 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Trump said he could shoot someone and wouldn’t lose voters. Judging by what a whole bunch of posters post on this forum, I believe him. Apparently their hatred for ‘the left’ is so deep that they would rather defend and vote for a criminal than vote for ‘a lefty’. Go figure.

 

Everyone knew Trump was joking, but of could the lying-left had to pretend he wasn't. Just like most all non-leftists know all the "crimes" are BS. 

 

But you are correct, I will vote for any non-leftist over any leftist. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 20232 yr by Yellowtail
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27 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump was publicly known to have committed fraud long before Leticia James began her investigation.

 

Disprove me if you can but otherwise, stop lying.

What have I lied about? Please point out what I have lied about, or admit you are lying. 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What have I lied about? Please point out what I have lied about, or admit you are lying. 

I wasn't responding to one of your posts.

 

You are innocent, unlike Trump.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Everyone knew Trump was joking, but of could the lying-left had to pretend he wasn't. Just like most all non-leftists know all the "crimes" are BS. 

 

But you are correct, I will vote for any non-leftist over any leftist. 

 

 

 

 

You have no idea what a leftist is to begin with. Calling Biden left is ridiculous in and of itself.

 

And Trump doesn’t have a sense of humor.

9 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I wasn't responding to one of your posts.

 

You are innocent, unlike Trump.

Sorry, my bad