BYD Seal tips, tricks and help

[Pib]

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

if you're driving a long distance and need to charge your electric car, and there's a byd reversharger along the way,

do you use it or do you prefer other charging stations? what has your experience been like with byd reversharger?

thanks a lot for your feedback, motdaeng

 

I'm registered with and have used 6 different charging apps....PTT EV Station, PEA, EA Anywhere, Elexa, Altervim, and ReverSharger.   They all work pretty much the same and all are easy to use although some I would classify into the super easy to use ballpark depending on if they automatically start charging if  you have registered your vehicle with the app or they don't require you to scan the chargers bar a 2nd time when disconnecting.  But like I said they are all easy to use and I give a plus 1 to those that also all payment via QR Code/PromptPay and/or have a Wallet function....those apps that only allow payment via debit/credit card, like PTT, get minus 1 from me since debit/credit card payments can sometimes get rejected.

 

ReverSharger allows you to pay via credit/debit card and/or Wallet....you top-up the Wallet via QR Code/PromptPay.   A good thing about payment via QR Code is you don't have to worry about your debit/credit card rejecting the payment transaction (i.e., blocked payment).   And a good thing about paying from the app's Wallet is there is  zero chance of the payment failing as you already have funds in the Wallet....no worry about your debit/credit card blocking the transaction, maybe attempting a QR payment is the wee hours just after midnight when it seems a lot of banks provide notice payment via QR Payment will be offline for an hour or so say from 2am to 3am as some kind of mobile banking maintenance occurs.   

 

Anyway, ReverSharger works fine although they are not the cheapest.  Like at the moment in time 21 Apr/Mon/8am:55am the price per KWH at the closet ReverSharger and PTT DC charger to me here in Bangkok is Bt8.00/KWH.  In comparison the cost of the nearest PTT and PEA DC charger is Bt6.60 for PTT and PEA Bt6.50/KWH.     Note: Rates can vary throughout the week and time of day....and also sometimes there are special promotions.

 

But when I'm on a road trip and want to DC charge it's not the cost per KWH that lures me to a charger but the charger's location.   PTT has DC chargers at many of it's PTT stations (most marked with the EV logo on the station's road side sign but some stations have a DC charger but no EV logo on their sign....best to go by what the PTT app shows as to charger locations).  PEA also has a lot.   Lot more PTT stations along major roadroads than ReverSharger.

 

In closing, although I use apps that only allow payment via debit/credit card, like PTT, I really wish those apps would also allow other forms of payment like via QR code, Wallet, etc., as this helps to prevent your card info from getting fraudulently used/hacked.  Around two months ago my Thai bank debit card got a late Friday night charge (just before I was getting ready to crawl in bed) for a few hundred baht for a "Spotify" payment.  Luckily I happen to notice the SMS notification of the charge within minutes of it occurring, immediately called the Thai bank to notify them of the fraudulent charge, and Suspend the card (Suspend is what this Thai bank calls Cancelation of the card....I went and got a new card on Monday morning at no charge).   Anyway, I did get the fraudulent charged refunded to my bank acct about 10 calendar days later (no paperwork required....just the my notification via phone of the fraudulent transaction) but I did have to bother/ping my Thai bank after a week asking about the refund as they initially told me the refund would occur with 7 calendar (not business) days.   Now the only place I have my Thai bank debit card loaded online is in some of those charging apps....and I've never used the card for any other online payment.  So, my gut feel is my card info got hacked from one of those apps but a person will never really know how a person's card info might have got into the wild...into the hand's pf a scammer.   Anyway, I have reloaded my new debt card into the some apps, especially those that only allow payment via debit/credit card, but I now use mbanking to keep the card "locked" for any kind of purchase "until" I need to use for such like a charging app payment.  I then unlock the card for a few minutes via mbanking, accomplish the payment/purchase, and then relock the card for payment/purchases.   I've done that 3 or 4 times over the last few months (to include just yesterday to  charge at a PTT station) and it works like a charm.....keeps the card secured even if your card info somehow gets into the wild. 

 

Summary: ReverShargers work fine. 

[Pib]

Another comment about ReverSharger DC chargers is you can also register for Plug & Charge....if your EV works with the Plug & Charge protocol (ike BYD vehicles do) you can register for such but it's not required.   When registered for such you just need to pull-up to a Reversharger DC charger, plug in your EV (no scanning of any charger code, etc., required) and your EV automatically starts charging.   PEA offers the same/similar protocol called AutoCharge and it "use" to work for me with my Atto but starting about a year ago it stopped working although I still have the PEA app setting turned on regarding their AutoCharge feature and the app has never asked me again if I want to setup AutoCharge....oh well.

 

Anyway, Plug & Charge/AutoCharge is a very nice feature...just plug-in your EV, charging automatically starts (just like charging your smartphone).    Now some might not think it's a big deal....but after you used various DC chargers on road trips and occasionally run into those chargers where your charging app/phone just can't seem to get the charger going because the charger's QR/bar code is not being accepted due to a worn/faded code, your phone seemingly not being the best to scan codes in bright or dim light, etc., a person learns quickly to like the Plug & Charge/AutoCharge feature that bypasses the initial/start charging QR/bar code scanning process....one less obstacle to an easy charging process.   

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

On 3/15/2025 at 8:10 AM, mistral53 said:

Is anybody else a bit stressed when seeing these kind of posts popping up on FB?

 

Yes, a bit stressed at seeing this for sure.

About a year ago i ordered a grill from Shopee but it got cancelled after a couple of weeks so i forgot all about.

 

With the recent posts on fb showing the amount of debris inside and the lengths needed to clean this i figured i would do a diy attempt at cleaning, not wanting someone to remove the bumper with parking sensors and camera to avoid any other issues or damage to the paintwork.

 

I ordered a grill from Lazada ( 609 baht ) and when it arrived i set to.

I was wondering how to maintain the air intake vents open but with the car unlocked and bonnet open the vents remained open for an hour or so, closed when i locked the car afterwards.

 

 

This is what i could see:

 

 

obviously the leaves are of concern to limiting the cooling.

 

Armed with a bit of bamboo and a bent wire i managed to drag out quite a bit of trash !

 

 

Gave it a good ole blasting with the hosepipe, quite a lot of dirt and bits of leaf flowing out.

 

Fitted the grills:

 

 

Very easily fit, just bent the top one slightly, snap into place, probably not easily removed though !

 

So, not a professional cleaning job obviously and i wish i had pursued this option a long time ago but it surely it must help.

[Pib]

On 4/19/2025 at 6:32 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

Saw a few posts on FB Groups so checked mine out.

 

Something amiss with the GBox app, hmmm thats not good 😐

 

 

Time will tell 🤨

 

I contacted Rever Customer Service via the Rever Automotive app regarding above.  They responded saying they are aware of the problem and currently working on identifying an appropriate resolution.    Or said another away, Standby to Standby.

[Andrew Dwyer]

26 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

I contacted Rever Customer Service via the Rever Automotive app regarding above.  They responded saying they are aware of the problem and currently working on identifying an appropriate resolution.    Or said another away, Standby to Standby.

I tried to get some sense from the FB Thai group but difficult to understand and mainly guesswork.

Some saying they have infringed the copyright by using GBox in a vehicle ( as opposed to a phone or tablet ) others stating it is something to do with allowing YouTube etc while on the move !!

Could be close to the truth i suppose. I

 

I would be happy to be able to use Google Maps directly from the screen as Apple CarPlay version is poor.

If BYD gets the in house navigation app to work accurately then that would be great also.

Getting the charging apps to work via the screen would be another helpful option imho.

Am not interested in YouTube or Netflix.

 

To be honest i was better off using sideloaded apps before GBox !! 

[carlyai]

Recently from me about Rev charger wanting my Tax file number: the BYD staff said just put in my Falang Thai ID card number, so have done and will see if it works at next BYD charge station.

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, carlyai said:

Recently from me about Rev charger wanting my Tax file number: the BYD staff said just put in my Falang Thai ID card number, so have done and will see if it works at next BYD charge station.

It worked for me

[Pib]

3 hours ago, carlyai said:

Recently from me about Rev charger wanting my Tax file number: the BYD staff said just put in my Falang Thai ID card number, so have done and will see if it works at next BYD charge station.

That's what I've always used....my Thai Pink ID card 13 digit number. 

 

But any 13 digit might work if a person don't have a Pink Thai ID card....and the 13 digit number Thai authorities put on a person's COVID record would work.    And if a person has a Thai Tax number that 13 digit number will definitely work.

 

The charging app's seem to want a 13 digit number as in a Thai ID card number since the Thai Revenue Dept requires such when a person wants to use receipts for tax deductions purposes.   If it wasn't for the Thai Revenue Dept requirement I expect the charging apps would accept a passport number or maybe not even care about a tax ID number.

[Pib]

3 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I tried to get some sense from the FB Thai group but difficult to understand and mainly guesswork.

Some saying they have infringed the copyright by using GBox in a vehicle ( as opposed to a phone or tablet ) others stating it is something to do with allowing YouTube etc while on the move !!

Could be close to the truth i suppose. I

 

I would be happy to be able to use Google Maps directly from the screen as Apple CarPlay version is poor.

If BYD gets the in house navigation app to work accurately then that would be great also.

Getting the charging apps to work via the screen would be another helpful option imho.

Am not interested in YouTube or Netflix.

 

To be honest i was better off using sideloaded apps before GBox !! 

 

 

I will not be surprised in the least if the BYD installed Gbox during the free SIM upgrade ever works again.  I expect there was some type of violation of terms of agreement between BYD and Gbox...or maybe BYD HQ decided to pull the plug on Gbox working but the error messag implies it's Gbox being the bad guy.  Who knows.  

 

This brings back memories for a half dozen or so years ago when AIS Fibre home internet started allowing 3rd party side loaded apps to be installed on their AIS Playbox.....Playbox is the name of the Android box provided for their internet TV/movie service which I use.   For about a year a person could sideload Android apps on the AIS Playbox to work side by side with the basic TV and Movie apps that AIS preloads via firmware as part of their internet TV service.  Then AIS said they were going to stop allowing sideloading of apps during a firmware update of the AIS Playbox. 

 

AIS Fibre never said why they did this flipflop but I expect it caused problems where a person would sideload some app(s) which conflicted with the AIS-pre-installed apps on the basic box hardware which would cause the customer to call AIS for help in trying to get their Playbox to work again so they could watch TV.   AIS probably decided they were getting too many such calls....was giving their Playbox service a bad name/reputation for reliability and decided to shutdown the ability to run/install any apps other than those that AIS pushes through periodic Playbox firmware update.  Kinda like how BYD periodically sends out OTAs. 

[Andrew Dwyer]

7 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yes, a bit stressed at seeing this for sure.

About a year ago i ordered a grill from Shopee but it got cancelled after a couple of weeks so i forgot all about.

 

With the recent posts on fb showing the amount of debris inside and the lengths needed to clean this i figured i would do a diy attempt at cleaning, not wanting someone to remove the bumper with parking sensors and camera to avoid any other issues or damage to the paintwork.

 

I ordered a grill from Lazada ( 609 baht ) and when it arrived i set to.

I was wondering how to maintain the air intake vents open but with the car unlocked and bonnet open the vents remained open for an hour or so, closed when i locked the car afterwards.

 

 

This is what i could see:

 

 

obviously the leaves are of concern to limiting the cooling.

 

Armed with a bit of bamboo and a bent wire i managed to drag out quite a bit of trash !

 

 

Gave it a good ole blasting with the hosepipe, quite a lot of dirt and bits of leaf flowing out.

 

Fitted the grills:

 

 

Very easily fit, just bent the top one slightly, snap into place, probably not easily removed though !

 

So, not a professional cleaning job obviously and i wish i had pursued this option a long time ago but it surely it must help.

 

Found this video about removing the front bumper for cleaning purposes, its in Portuguese ( Brazilian ) but you get the gist.

I wouldn’t take the wheels off or jack it up to remove the screws underneath.

A multi pin connector and a single connector makes all the electrics simple.

Might have a go at this at 40k or sooner if my diy cleaning proves to be ineffective.

 

 

[mistral53]

Observations after almost 2 weeks of Sealion 7 ownership:

 

better than Seal:

lower noise level

3 tick turn signal

lower noise AC fan

power of sound system

ADAS

ICC does not surge

Nav info on dash

Nav direction info in HUD

power shade for glass roof

better ride

AC charge current is adjustable

low speed cornering lights

leather on steering wheel center cover

'push button' to open the tailgate

 

 

lesser than Seal:

no coin tray (used for gate remote)

no pre-installed dash cam hardware, no MSD card slot

ride becomes too wallowy at speeds >120 km/h

less max regen

NFC location inside car is cumbersome for watch

BYD-lady's voice is very obnoxious (is she a Domme?)

wind noise from outside rear view mirror >110 km/h

 

YMMV

[Pib]

On 4/19/2025 at 6:32 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

Saw a few posts on FB Groups so checked mine out.

 

Something amiss with the GBox app, hmmm thats not good 😐

 

 

Time will tell 🤨

 

 

 

Sure looks like Gbox in BYD vehicles, or any automotive brand vehicle, is off the table for legal use at least for now.  See below Facebook thread and a snapshot of a Gbox memorandum.  

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/735185977856032/?locale=th_TH

[Andrew Dwyer]

32 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

 

 

Sure looks like Gbox in BYD vehicles, or any automotive brand vehicle, is off the table for legal use at least for now.  See below Facebook thread and a snapshot of a Gbox memorandum.  

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/735185977856032/?locale=th_TH

Yes, seen a few posts to that effect, also seen some posts recommending deleting Gbox and sideloading the newer version ( not recommended imo ).

Also some stating to use something called Revanced Manager or MicroG, either way its all way over my head.

As always some will be claiming they have a work around or a better solution.

Me, I’ll just wait to see what happens thru official channels.

 

BYD, or i suppose Rever, need to clarify the situation, Gbox has put their official statement out and the people will want answers. It was always a radical move to enable YouTube or videos etc to run while the car was in motion.

 

I’d settle for another 5 months of free charging 😀

 

Bottom line is, for me, GBox didn’t bring anything of much interest, just an easy way to load some apps.

Handy to have YouTube ( Music ) etc while you are charging but can be done via the built in browser anyway.

 

All i ask of the centre screen is a workable navigation app, whether that BYD or Google Maps or whoever I don’t care, the charging apps would also be nice to have centre screen also.

Will be interesting to see Rever’s response.

[Pib]

13 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

 

BYD, or i suppose Rever, need to clarify the situation, Gbox has put their official statement out and the people will want answers. It was always a radical move to enable YouTube or videos etc to run while the car was in motion.

 

I’d settle for another 5 months of free charging 😀

I really don't expect BYD Rever to provide much of any explanation as that would be lose of face.  Expect they will use a "just let it fade away" type approach when it comes to any explanation.  But if an explanation does come I expect it will be made to appear as Gbox being the party-pooper when in fact it appears Gbox is just  protecting itself.    And I can just see dealership reps giving "beat around the bushes" type answers when customers ask about Gbox no longer working on their BYD vehicle....Gbox installed by the dealership during the BYD SIM upgrade. 

 

I'll be asking that Gbox question in a few more weeks when I go to my dealership to schedule the 2 yr/40,000 kilometer checkup as I'm fast approaching 39K kilometers and will reach 40K well before the 2 year point with my Atto.  When first accepting the car the dealership stressed to have checkups done "plus or minus 1,000km of the checkup kilometer interval" in those cases where you reach the kilometers point before the time interval point   Basically, accomplish the checkup based on "whichever one occurs first....time or distance."

[Pib]

On 4/18/2025 at 6:59 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

New update for BYD App  ( V2.7.0 ), don’t see anything new , apparently optimisation has taken place , another name for moving stuff around ?

 

Seems like an OTA for the Seal is long overdue, the U.K. is on 2501 already.

 

V2.7.0  arrived my phone yesterday.  Quite a change in appearance from the earlier version when seeing V2.7.0 for the first time.  But after the initial surprise of the revamped appearance there appears to only be one real change/improvement and that is the addition  of a "Vehicle Health" selection/icon which opens up to show the health of nine car systems.  

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

39 minutes ago, Pib said:

I really don't expect BYD Rever to provide much of any explanation as that would be lose of face.  Expect they will use a "just let it fade away" type approach when it comes to any explanation.  But if an explanation does come I expect it will be made to appear as Gbox being the party-pooper when in fact it appears Gbox is just  protecting itself.    And I can just see dealership reps giving "beat around the bushes" type answers when customers ask about Gbox no longer working on their BYD vehicle....Gbox installed by the dealership during the BYD SIM upgrade. 

 

I'll be asking that Gbox question in a few more weeks when I go to my dealership to schedule the 2 yr/40,000 kilometer checkup as I'm fast approaching 39K kilometers and will reach 40K well before the 2 year point with my Atto.  When first accepting the car the dealership stressed to have checkups done "plus or minus 1,000km of the checkup kilometer interval" in those cases where you reach the kilometers point before the time interval point   Basically, accomplish the checkup based on "whichever one occurs first....time or distance."

Yes agree, expect the GBox thing will fade away without any accountability or solution.

Another unanswered question is regarding the sim free data?

Some Atto 3 owners have surpassed the 2 year + 3 months mark and have been told that on May 1st there will be clarification.

 

Does seem that Rever’s 3 month + GBox sim swap deal was not thought through !

[Andrew Dwyer]

45 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

V2.7.0  arrived my phone yesterday.  Quite a change in appearance from the earlier version when seeing V2.7.0 for the first time.  But after the initial surprise of the revamped appearance there appears to only be one real change/improvement and that is the addition  of a "Vehicle Health" selection/icon which opens up to show the health of nine car systems.  

 

I don’t see that vehicle health tab on my app ( also V2.7.0 ) , a slightly different layout , 

 

 

the more functions button leading to this greyed out vague suggestion of more features ?

 

 

 

What i also noticed is the addition of cabin temp on the main page:

 

 

Is that new ? , I don’t recall .

[Pib]

2 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I don’t see that vehicle health tab on my app ( also V2.7.0 ) , a slightly different layout , 

 

 

the more functions button leading to this greyed out vague suggestion of more features ?

 

 

 

What i also noticed is the addition of cabin temp on the main page:

 

 

Is that new ? , I don’t recall .

 

The app takes in consideration which BYD vehicle a person has linked....different vehicles, different capabilities/options.   

 

Since the Seal has additional seat features (like ventilated front seats) which another BYD vehicle may not have (like the Atto doesn't have ventilated seats or at least my 2023 Atto does not) maybe BYD figured it would be more important to/desired by Seal owners to have a Seat icon/settings on the main screen.   A Seat icon for me (an Atto owner) would be useless....wasted space on the app.   But the icon they add for Vehicle Health is definitely something I like to see although it offers little detail other than it's apparently working....working good enough in BYD's view.

 

Maybe the app is currently programmed to where it can only have X-amount of icons on its main screen and there is no room "at this time" to add a Vehicle Health icon for Seal owners as maybe BYD figured Seal owners would prefer to see a Seats icon.  Maybe in the future that "More Features" selection will include other icons like this-and-that (like a vehicle health icon for Seal owners) but BYD hasn't got around to programming it into the app yet.....maybe a Vehicle Health icon will appear in the "More Features" screen later on....maybe the next app update.....time will tell.   BYD could add all kinds of "OBD2" data readouts/indicators "if they wanted to"....the cabin temp is surely an OBD2 data element but I expect BYD don't want to show owners "too much" as too much data might cause some owners to be concerned...start asking a bunch of questions....etc.  There is a ton of data available via OBD2....I know for sure as I keep an OBD2 adapter on my Atto and can see all kinds of info on the car's operation, health, etc. 

 

And  yes, the Cabin Temp readout is new....wasn't there before....I forgot to mention that earlier.   Nice see the inside temp from a standpoint of seeing how hot the car cabin can get when parked like in the blazing sun.  It's also nice if  you want to check the cabin temp when driving along....for my Atto there is no cabin temperature readout on either display; only an outside temp readout.  Don't know why there is no inside temp display on the displays....but the display does show inside and outside PM2.5 levels.   

 

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

43 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

The app takes in consideration which BYD vehicle a person has linked....different vehicles, different capabilities/options.   

 

Since the Seal has additional seat features (like ventilated front seats) which another BYD vehicle may not have (like the Atto doesn't have ventilated seats or at least my 2023 Atto does not) maybe BYD figured it would be more important to/desired by Seal owners to have a Seat icon/settings on the main screen.   A Seat icon for me (an Atto owner) would be useless....wasted space on the app.   But the icon they add for Vehicle Health is definitely something I like to see although it offers little detail other than it's apparently working....working good enough in BYD's view.

 

Maybe the app is currently programmed to where it can only have X-amount of icons on its main screen and there is no room "at this time" to add a Vehicle Health icon for Seal owners as maybe BYD figured Seal owners would prefer to see a Seats icon.  Maybe in the future that "More Features" selection will include other icons like this-and-that (like a vehicle health icon for Seal owners) but BYD hasn't got around to programming it into the app yet.....maybe a Vehicle Health icon will appear in the "More Features" screen later on....maybe the next app update.....time will tell. 

 

 

Yes, I can move any of the tabs to the “ more functions” page and back again but there are no others than those on the home page …. maybe more will come.

 

Likewise for the Seal, no cabin temp in the car only ext temp, so the cabin temp in the app is a very welcome addition.

 

Just turned the air on remotely ( car is outside of a mall ) to see the reaction time :

It was 34° and went to 36° as soon as I opened the air, took about 3 or 4 minutes to get it back to 34° and now going down steadily  ….. very steadily !!

[Pib]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Yes, I can move any of the tabs to the “ more functions” page and back again but there are no others than those on the home page …. maybe more will come.

 

 

When I saw you could move tabs to the "more functions" page I wondered how you did it because what little bit I had played with the new app version I hadn't figured out how to add anything to that "more options" page.   I thought to myself that Andrew might be more "hansum" than me but surely not smarter.  😜   

 

 So, I  took another look and figured out how a person moves an icon(s) to and/or  from that new "more options" page. 

 

 Just for others who haven't played with the new app version yet, you can not "drag and drop" any icons from the main page to the more options page (you can indeed drag them but they will not stick based on my experience).   What I did was first press the "more options" icon, then press "Custom" on that page, then drag down to minimize that page.  You will now see the main page icons have red symbol with a minus white dash that wasn't there below.;....and the icons will be shaking a little.   

 

Click a red symbol with minus white and it moves from the main page to the More Options page where it will now have a green symbol with plus white sign.   You can now either press Completed to finalize the move.  Or you can press the green symbol that moves it back to the main page.  Or, you can press Restore Default and it moves icons back to their original/default positions....return to go, start all over, nothing gained or loss, etc. .

 

So, this gives a person the option of tailoring the app's main screen to only show the icons that are most important to you....allow you to move less important icons to the More Functions screen.  And a person can do all of this without fear of some icon just disappearing forever as a person can just press the Restore Default icon on the More Options page (you may first have to press the Custom icon for the Restore Default icon to appear).    All the icons will return to their original, default position without changing anything else in the app.

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

18 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

When I saw you could move tabs to the "more functions" page I wondered how you did it because what little bit I had played with the new app version I hadn't figured out how to add anything to that "more options" page.   I thought to myself that Andrew might be more "hansum" than me but surely not smarter.  😜   

 

 So, I  took another look and figured out how a person moves an icon(s) to and/or  from that new "more options" page. 

 

 Just for others who haven't played with the new app version yet, you can not "drag and drop" any icons from the main page to the more options page (you can indeed drag them but they will not stick based on my experience).   What I did was first press the "more options" icon, then press "Custom" on that page, then drag down to minimize that page.  You will now see the main page icons have red symbol with a minus white dash that wasn't there below.;....and the icons will be shaking a little.   

 

Click a red symbol with minus white and it moves from the main page to the More Options page where it will now have a green symbol with plus white sign.   You can now either press Completed to finalize the move.  Or you can press the green symbol that moves it back to the main page.  Or, you can press Restore Default and it moves icons back to their original/default positions....return to go, start all over, nothing gained or loss, etc. .

 

So, this gives a person the option of tailoring the app's main screen to only show the icons that are most important to you....allow you to move less important icons to the More Functions screen.  And a person can do all of this without fear of some icon just disappearing forever as a person can just press the Restore Default icon on the More Options page (you may first have to press the Custom icon for the Restore Default icon to appear).    All the icons will return to their original, default position without changing anything else in the app.

 

 

Indeed, i have gone for the minimalist view while charging up for a lengthy trip to a family ( wife’s nephew ) wedding and an early start tomorrow .

 

 

As for the hansum part , at one time I might have been considered hansum but now am just the generic mid 60’s expat avoiding the sun and living the dream 😜