New COVID Variant 'HV.1' has rapidly overtaken the #1 spot of previous mutations in the U.S.

[Red Phoenix]

A new COVID-19 virus variant, dubbed HV.1, has overtaken EG.5 (Eris) as the leading variant diagnosed in the United States, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) latest Oct. 28 report.

HV.1 has risen from 1.1 percent in early August to 25.2 percent of COVID cases. Meanwhile, EG.5 declined from 24.3 percent on Sept. 30 to its current share of 21.9 percent within one month.

Source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

 

The covid-19 vaccine was updated to include a monovalent (single) component that corresponds to the Omicron variant XBB.1.5, and approved and authorized for emergency use by the FDA on Sept. 11, and it is that covid-vaccine that is currently being rolled out.

Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-action-updated-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-better-protect-against-currently-circulating

 

My comment: Take a closer look at the CDC table with an overview of the reported genomic sequencing.  End of July the XBB 1.5 variant was the dominant variant (16.8 %) and HV.1 had only 0.5%. But currently that's not the case anymore.  According to the latest CDC report XBB 1.5 now only occurs in 0.6 % of cases, while the the previous almost neglible HV.1 variant is now the dominant variant and occuring in 25.2 % of cases. 

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Fortunately, both of the more recent primary COVID variants are descendants of the XBB family variant that was/is the basis for the newest monovalent vaccines, so there's expected to be continuing protection.

 

"Both are descendants of the XBB variant. The updated Covid vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, which became available last month, target a different XBB descendant, called XBB.1.5.

 

But disease experts say the new shots should offer cross-protection against the currently dominant strains. Dr. Scott Roberts, an infectious disease specialist at Yale Medicine, said that although the vaccine is not a "perfect match" for HV.1, "it’s still a good match because it’s still within the same family of variant."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-covid-variant-dominant-slow-vaccine-uptake-rcna122361

 

"Experts say that the updated COVID-19 vaccine is expected to help provide protection from this variant. The updated vaccine is based on the XBB.1.5, and HV.1 is a “grandchild” of the XBB.15 variant. So the available vaccines may protect against the serious disease caused by HV.1."

 

https://www.wionews.com/world/hv1-what-to-know-about-new-covid-variant-651789

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Experts say that the updated COVID-19 vaccine is expected to help provide protection from this variant. The updated vaccine is based on the XBB.1.5, and HV.1 is a “grandchild” of the XBB.15 variant. So the available vaccines may protect against the serious disease caused by HV.1."

I highlighted some words in your post >

#1 - ... so there's expected to be continuing protection.

#2 - ... disease experts say the new shots should offer cross-protection against the currently dominant strains

#3 - "Experts say that the updated COVID-19 vaccine is expected to help provide protection from this variant. The updated vaccine is based on the XBB.1.5, and HV.1 is a “grandchild” of the XBB.15 variant. So the available vaccines may protect against the serious disease caused by HV.1."

 

Doesn't create much confidence to me...

[connda]

I'm shaking in my boots.  <not>  🥾🥾

[connda]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

I highlighted some words in your post >

#1 - ... so there's expected to be continuing protection.

#2 - ... disease experts say the new shots should offer cross-protection against the currently dominant strains

#3 - "Experts say that the updated COVID-19 vaccine is expected to help provide protection from this variant. The updated vaccine is based on the XBB.1.5, and HV.1 is a “grandchild” of the XBB.15 variant. So the available vaccines may protect against the serious disease caused by HV.1."

 

Doesn't create much confidence to me...

Never 'vaccinated.'  Had Covid in August and it was a mild flu.  I'm not worried about a new variant.  Virology 101:  as viruses mutate they become more infectious and less virulent.  I don't know what you people worry about.  Covid will take its rightful place and another type of flu, i.e., one based on a SARS virus.  If ya'll want vaccines, please take them.  I encourage to do so.
Especially if you are worry. 

I'm not worried and I don't understand the irrational fear.

[save the frogs]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

My comment: Take a closer look at the CDC table

My comment: You can't see the forest for the trees

 

[thaicurious]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Doesn't create much confidence to me...

Confidence comes from simply understanding without politicizing the nature of vaccinations that at worst play the odds to provide protection either, ideally, against transmission (which a next gen vax might hopefully accomplish) or at least to buffer potential harms characterized by hospitalization & death by following what evolves from its prior self upon which the vax was designed when we've not yet (might never have) the capacity to predict with greater accuracy into what the virus will become next. So a lack of confidence might speaks less of the ability of science to keep people as safe as current knowns allow, but rather more loudly of a person's own fears that this mutation is greater than the vax developed prior might continue to protect against, which is, albeit sadly because we actually have scientific data to the contrary, understandable.

 

But the more a person misuses colorful photos of even scientific data in an attempt to convince that his fear is valid while ignoring the actual data interpretations of the science itself, the more we might suspect at play the art of politics, not the medical arts.

 

 

1 hour ago, connda said:

I'm not worried and I don't understand the irrational fear.

Even vaxxed, without masking, especially since omicron, there is still risk of long covid given exposure to coronavirus. Just like there is risk of being burned, given exposure to fire. It is not an irrational fear to avoid placing your hand onto a hot stove. Nor is it an irrational fear to avoid unprotected breathing in of sparks.

 

This virus is not the same as past ones by which the body developed antibodies well enough to protect them from further infections even if that endows some measure of protection. If you had measles or mumps in the past, most likely you are protected from ever getting it again. But even if you've had covid before, without further protection, most likely you'll get it again. And each time you further risk it breaking through the blood brain barrier whereby covid spike proteins accumulate in the skull-meninges-brain axis. We didn't have long mumps, nor long measles. This is a whole new fire.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/debunking-idea-viruses-evolve-virulent/story?id=82052581

"Debunking the idea viruses always evolve to become less virulent

The concept can be traced back to a theory from the late 1800s...

 

But over the past 100 years, virologists have learned that virus evolution is more chaotic. Virus evolution is a game of chance, and less about grand design....

 

it's nearly impossible to predict the future of the pandemic, because viruses don't always evolve in a predictable pattern...

 

People who are vaccinated or recently infected will have milder symptoms if they experience a breakthrough infection or a reinfection, studies show.

"This is not because the variant is less virulent, but because your immune system was primed from prior vaccination and infection," said Pekosz...

 

Even if less deadly, the omicron variant is also significantly more transmissible, leading to more deaths overall...."

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, connda said:

Never 'vaccinated.'  Had Covid in August and it was a mild flu.  I'm not worried about a new variant.  Virology 101:  as viruses mutate they become more infectious and less virulent.  I don't know what you people worry about.  Covid will take its rightful place and another type of flu, i.e., one based on a SARS virus.  If ya'll want vaccines, please take them.  I encourage to do so.
Especially if you are worry. 

I'm not worried and I don't understand the irrational fear.

Covid is not "another type of flu" - it's from a completely different family of viruses. Covid is a coronavirus, influenza is not.

 

Also, viruses do not always become less virulent as they mutate, that's just a common, but mistaken assumption.

 

Viruses can evolve to be more deadly

 

Quote

CLAIM: No virus has ever mutated to become more lethal. As viruses mutate, they become less lethal.

 

AP ASSESSMENT: False. There are documented cases of viruses becoming more deadly.

 

As that article points out, one classic example is bird flu - it was initially mild in humans, but evolved to become more deadly.

Edited November 1, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[owl sees all]

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Covid is not "another type of flu" - it's from a completely different family of viruses. Covid is a coronavirus, influenza is not.

 

Also, viruses do not always become less virulent as they mutate, that's just a common, but mistaken assumption.

 

Viruses can evolve to be more deadly

 

 

As that article points out, one classic example is bird flu - it was initially mild in humans, but evolved to become more deadly.

Just have to trust nature to sort things out.

 

The more the 'white coats' fiddle in their labs, the more people will suffer the consequences.

[Red Phoenix]

5 hours ago, thaicurious said:

But the more a person misuses colorful photos of even scientific data in an attempt to convince that his fear is valid while ignoring the actual data interpretations of the science itself, the more we might suspect at play the art of politics, not the medical arts.

 

A total misunderstanding. 

I do not fear the virus.  I have a robust immune system (never vaxxed, and never sick by the way) and if I got covid I didn't even notice it. 

But yes I fear for my loved ones that were deluded or coerced into taking the shots.

Those that are currently still lining up to get the latest jab to 'protect' themselves, are the fearful - and gullible - ones.

The current jab is 'expected' 'may' 'should'  protect you from catching covid, while its composition is mainly targetting an almost extinct variant.  So its effectiveness is questionable (similar like the yearly Flu-vaccines which are based on Guesswork which variant would be dominant for the coming season).  

And then I am not even addressing the potential serious adverse effects of the mRNA-shots. 

 

[owl sees all]

19 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The current jab is 'expected' 'may' 'should'  protect you from catching covid, while its composition is mainly targeting an almost extinct variant.  So its effectiveness is questionable (similar like the yearly Flu-vaccines which are based on Guesswork which variant would be dominant for the coming season).  

 

This is the language of the 'white coats'; should, expected, may. Can't they say for certain? No! Of course not. Most of this data comes straight out of computers. In the real world - the world of nature - these 'shoulds', 'maybies' etc; don't exist.

 

Look at a fallen tree. Soon nature gets to work dismantling it. Then bacteria reduce it to nothing. We seem to be looking at things completely the wrong way. Nature has all the answers. We must learn from nature, not try to alter or improve on it in some secret lab.

 

As for Flu-vaccines being based on Guesswork. Well!! If we were privvy to the white-coats' software, we too could be guessing.

[Bkk Brian]

51 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

This is the language of the 'white coats'; should, expected, may. Can't they say for certain? No! Of course not. Most of this data comes straight out of computers. In the real world - the world of nature - these 'shoulds', 'maybies' etc; don't exist.

 

Look at a fallen tree. Soon nature gets to work dismantling it. Then bacteria reduce it to nothing. We seem to be looking at things completely the wrong way. Nature has all the answers. We must learn from nature, not try to alter or improve on it in some secret lab.

 

As for Flu-vaccines being based on Guesswork. Well!! If we were privvy to the white-coats' software, we too could be guessing.

 

Looks like the flu vaccine guesses work owl:

 

“Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/09/scicheck-flu-shots-mmr-vaccines-have-saved-millions-of-lives-contrary-to-online-claim/

[dhupverg]

10 hours ago, connda said:

Never 'vaccinated.'  Had Covid in August and it was a mild flu.  I'm not worried about a new variant.  Virology 101:  as viruses mutate they become more infectious and less virulent.  I don't know what you people worry about.  Covid will take its rightful place and another type of flu, i.e., one based on a SARS virus.  If ya'll want vaccines, please take them.  I encourage to do so.
Especially if you are worry. 

I'm not worried and I don't understand the irrational fear.

Got to keep that shill money gravy train going.  With no fear and no shilling, there's no more sales of these mrna products.  

[Lucky Bones]

[Mask} sales in Thailand still throo the roof.

Some people making a fortune and laffin' their heads off.

School kids still wearing masks...Really?

Public Health Ministry 4 year old recording of "recommended to wear mask" on BTS -

Such a subservient country unless they are behind the handlebars or wheel. But I luv the country!🙃🙃

Edited November 6, 2023 by stats
"muzzle" trolling term removed

[Celsius]

On 11/2/2023 at 10:24 AM, Lucky Bones said:

[Mask] sales in Thailand still throo the roof.

Some people making a fortune and laffin' their heads off.

School kids still wearing masks...Really?

Public Health Ministry 4 year old recording of "recommended to wear mask" on BTS .

Such a subservient country unless they are behind the handlebars or wheel. But I luv the country!🙃🙃

 

Have not had food poisoning in Thailand since Covid started. I love the paranoia, but up 2 u

[Lucky Bones]

1 minute ago, Celsius said:

 

Have not had food poisoning in Thailand since Covid started. I love the paranoia, but up 2 u

Fair enuff. Never had food poisoning in 11 years living here and previous 6 years on/off visits.

Maybe your immune system a bit wonky or have an aversion to Thai street food?🙃🙃

[Celsius]

2 minutes ago, Lucky Bones said:

aversion to Thai street food?🙃🙃

 

Don't eat it, don't wanna eat it.

[Lucky Bones]

12 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

Don't eat it, don't wanna eat it.

Fair enuff again. Some of life's culinary masterpieces to be found.🙃🙃

Edited November 2, 2023 by Lucky Bones

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

“Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/09/scicheck-flu-shots-mmr-vaccines-have-saved-millions-of-lives-contrary-to-online-claim/

 

It's not you Brian mate. But the passage you quote in monumantal cowpoo.

 

The WHO does not know what it's on about. Or! Perhaps it does. Wonder who funds the 'World Hurt Organisation'? Let me think now.

 

As for www.factcheck.org. Give me a break.

 

 

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unsourced / unsubstantiated claim removed

[Eleftheros]

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

It's not you Brian mate. But the passage you quote in monumantal cowpoo.

 

The WHO does not know what it's on about. Or! Perhaps it does. Wonder who funds the 'World Hurt Organisation'? Let me think now.

 

As for www.factcheck.org. Give me a break.

 

Collectivist types love these computer models and their projections and estimates.

 

First, they love the thought of some authority figure making decisions on their behalf. Second, they much prefer these low-resolution, one-stop-shop kind of 'answers'. And third, they are entirely comfortable with the fact that you can prove anything you want with computer models, simply by altering the inputs and assumptions.

 

On the other hand, the idea of thinking for themselves terrifies them.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

Collectivist types love these computer models and their projections and estimates.

 

First, they love the thought of some authority figure making decisions on their behalf. Second, they much prefer these low-resolution, one-stop-shop kind of 'answers'. And third, they are entirely comfortable with the fact that you can prove anything you want with computer models, simply by altering the inputs and assumptions.

 

On the other hand, the idea of thinking for themselves terrifies them.

What computer models would that be Eleftheros? You've read and checked on the facts that are contained in the citations and links contained in the article no? 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

It's not you Brian mate. But the passage you quote in monumantal cowpoo.

 

The WHO does not know what it's on about. Or! Perhaps it does. Wonder who funds the 'World Hurt Organisation'? Let me think now.

 

As for www.factcheck.org. Give me a break.

 

 

Hyperbole. Another cultist that immediately dismisses an article without actually reading it.

[thaicurious]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The current jab is 'expected' 'may' 'should'  protect you from catching covid

No responsible person of science or medicine currently utters such nonsense as you seem to enjoy propagandizing. To my memory, feel free to check me, in this pandemic, only pre-Omicron was there science showing vaccine would prevent "catching covid". But that's been off the table since about 2022 with the advent of immunity evasive omicron and its subsequent offspring, with vax since then at best (but good enough to control the pandemic) reducing symptoms leading to hospitalization and death, both of which the vaccines have measurably accomplished so that the world's hospitals and morgues could handle the rest. Or don't you remember patients piling up in hallways, ventilator shortages, body fluids dripping out of tractor trailers awaiting processing by local morticians. Because pre-vaccinations this was getting real disgusting real fast. The current hope with vaccines is that the next gen mucosal (nasal or oral) vaccinations will have a better efficacy against transmission.

 

But that is not, as you've just wrongly said so you can deceivingly counter, claimed about the current boosters.

Edited November 2, 2023 by thaicurious

[Eleftheros]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What computer models would that be Eleftheros? You've read and checked on the facts that are contained in the citations and links contained in the article no? 

That would be the computer models used to estimate the amount of lives saved by inoculation, for a start. Of course it's a computer model. You can tell that by the wording of "3.5 million to 5 million lives". They didn't count them, they estimated them using various input parameters, and that range is their best estimate. The same goes for the CDC study from 2015 estimating lives saved by flu vaccines.

 

The "facts" in the citations and links, those that I've looked at, are simply more computer model estimations. It's computer modelling all the way down.

 

And to repeat, you can get computer models to say anything you want. If you know the desired result, it is trivial to have a computer model generate it, as the wretched Neil Ferguson of Imperial College proved with his estimate of how many Brits would die from Covid, a disastrous exaggeration which informed much of the UK government's catastrophic response to the virus.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Eleftheros said:

That would be the computer models used to estimate the amount of lives saved by inoculation, for a start. Of course it's a computer model. You can tell that by the wording of "3.5 million to 5 million lives". They didn't count them, they estimated them using various input parameters, and that range is their best estimate. The same goes for the CDC study from 2015 estimating lives saved by flu vaccines.

 

The "facts" in the citations and links, those that I've looked at, are simply more computer model estimations. It's computer modelling all the way down.

 

And to repeat, you can get computer models to say anything you want. If you know the desired result, it is trivial to have a computer model generate it, as the wretched Neil Ferguson of Imperial College proved with his estimate of how many Brits would die from Covid, a disastrous exaggeration which informed much of the UK government's catastrophic response to the virus.

 

That would be the computer models used to estimate the amount of lives saved by inoculation, for a start. Of course it's a computer model. You can tell that by the wording of "3.5 million to 5 million lives"

 

Ok seeing as that is your starting point, where are those referenced computer models that you are so sure of?

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

No responsible person of science or medicine currently utters such nonsense as you seem to enjoy propagandizing. To my memory, feel free to check me, in this pandemic, only pre-Omicron was there science showing vaccine would prevent "catching covid". But that's been off the table since about 2022 with the advent of immunity evasive omicron and its subsequent offspring, with vax since then at best (but good enough to control the pandemic) reducing symptoms leading to hospitalization and death, both of which the vaccines have measurably accomplished so that the world's hospitals and morgues could handle the rest. Or don't you remember patients piling up in hallways, ventilator shortages, body fluids dripping out of tractor trailers awaiting processing by local morticians. Because pre-vaccinations this was getting real disgusting real fast. The current hope with vaccines is that the next gen mucosal (nasal or oral) vaccinations will have a better efficacy against transmission.

 

But that is not, as you've just wrongly said so you can deceivingly counter, claimed about the current boosters.

 

Okay, I adapted my statement:

The current jab is 'expected' / 'may' / 'should' reduce your symptoms leading to hospitalization and death, when catching covid.

But of course the large majority of the population still believes the earlier 24/7 propaganda that the jabs will 'protect you from catching covid'.

 

[owl sees all]

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hyperbole. Another cultist that immediately dismisses an article without actually reading it.

 

Who is a cultist? Not me Brian if it is me you are nodding towards.

 

I didn't read the article, but I did read the part you quoted:

 

"Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

 

I called it monumental cowpoo. It is simply untrue.

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

Who is a cultist? Not me Brian if it is me you are nodding towards.

 

I didn't read the article, but I did read the part you quoted:

 

"Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

 

I called it monumental cowpoo. It is simply untrue.

 

There you go, you didn't read it and dismiss it without reading the facts in the multiple sources referenced in the article. Typical

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by stats
personal comment toward another member removed

[owl sees all]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There you go, you didn't read it and dismiss it without reading the facts in the multiple sources referenced in the article. Typical

 

 

You highlighted the section below. If it is not representative of the 'fullfact' article then why post it? Pasted again below.

 

"Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

 

I read it and I don't agree with any of it. Apart from the bit not in quotes.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by stats
unsourced and unsubstantiated claim removed

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

 

You highlighted the section below. If it is not representative of the 'fullfact' article then why post it? Pasted again below.

 

"Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

 

I read it and I don't agree with any of it. Apart from the bit not in quotes.

 

 

 in my opinion anyone such as yourself who denies the existence of pathogenic viruses and who believes only another 11/12 people in the world share your other views then what more can I say. Check your post history. Back on topic:

 

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

You highlighted the section below. If it is not representative of the 'fullfact' article then why post it? Pasted again below.

 

It represents the article but forms just a small quoted section from it, we are limited by fair use policy. Get a grip Owl. 

 

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

"Immunization currently prevents 3.5-5 million deaths every year from diseases like tetanus, pertussis, influenza and measles,” the World Health Organization wrote in a recent roundup celebrating its 75th anniversary. “As diseases like polio and diphtheria fall out of living memory, people are increasingly vaccinated against diseases they have never seen, making it harder to understand how devastating they can be.”

 

I read it and I don't agree with any of it. Apart from the bit not in quotes.

 

Provide any credible links to dispute the claims made in the article, your opinion is not credible to those who's lives the vaccines have saved.