The Met Police WON'T ban Poppy Day pro-Palestine rally

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 3:17 PM, JonnyF said:

I would estimate the numbers chanting such things will be in the thousands, if not the tens of thousands. 

 

Of course there will also be the calls for Jihad etc. Calls for the elimination of the state of Israel. And most likely violence if anyone counter protests or in the unlikely event the police try to arrest those guilty of anti semitic hate speech and incitement to holy war.

 

This is what Chomper calls peaceful protest. Bless...

Protest has been and gone and your somewhat inflammatory claims were apparently disproven. No reports I've seen that support your claims. Perhaps you have some I missed.

The only arrests were for right wing thugs.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 4:08 PM, JonnyF said:

 

Yet you continue to support these hate filled, often violent and anti semitic marches under the banner of free speech.

 

You are fooling nobody. 

I never thought a time would come that I would be on the same side as C H, but here we are!

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 3:28 PM, JonnyF said:

 

Your denial of the anti semitism at these marches and in the pro Palestine movement in general is both predictable and extremely unsavoury to moderates on the left and right. 

Being anti zionist has zero to do with being anti semitic. Loads of Jews demonstrating against israel's attacks on Palestine.

 

Never mind, keep on deflecting, but the world has been watching and the people of the world agree that there needs to be a ceasefire and unlimited aid to Gaza.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Gaccha said:

Gentleman please relax.

 

In a few years time, when the Muslims have better captured the instruments of the State, they'll be able to outlaw Remembrance Day and replace it with something more reflective of current values, perhaps 'Mohammed Day'. And then there will be no further squabbling or fighting.

 

And peace will reign. Your great-grandchildren in their mosques, will look back with shame that their ancestors were infidels. Just as Persians today try to forget that they resisted Islamic invasion.

I’ll give you one point for being honest about your Islamophobia (the big fat elephant in the room throughout this topic) but you get ‘Nul Point’ for the garbage it comprises.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

But why don't we see regular protests on this scale against Hamas and all the other Islamist terror groups?

With the number of Islamist terror atrocities over the past 25 years, surely there should be millions on the streets protesting every week? 

Hamas is a terrorist organization, there are no Government, Diplomatic, Trade or Investment links between the UK and Hamas.

 

Israel is a state, with which the UK has Government, Diplomatic, Trade or Investment links.

 

Terrorist organizations are subject to the checks and balances Governments are, or at least ought to be.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 4:08 PM, JonnyF said:

 

Yet you continue to support these hate filled, often violent and anti semitic marches under the banner of free speech.

 

You are fooling nobody. 

and apparently you support israel blowing up 4,000 Palestinian children. Tell me if you don't.

 

If you can't see that the protests are because the israelis are 'apparently' committing war crimes and crimes against humanity, I can only shake my head in sorrow that some are apparently willfully blind to the horror being inflicted on innocent children.

Thankfully millions around the world see the truth and are protesting the massacres of the innocent.

[Wobblybob]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Protest has been and gone and your somewhat inflammatory claims were apparently disproven. No reports I've seen that support your claims. Perhaps you have some I missed.

The only arrests were for right wing thugs.

 

Unfortunately in the UK now we have two tier policing, many have to rely on social media sites to see what is going on. How ever you care to spin this and spin this you are doing, why you do it we can only guess. The Metropolitan Police have totally lost the plot, they have lost the support of the nation with their clownish behaviour and are not in any way neutral. 

Anyway if people were honest with themselves it has proven that Suella Braverman was correct all the time, not that there was any doubt from the majority of the nation.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 7:13 PM, billd766 said:

This is an open forum, and if you don't like the responses to your post you can always put the poster on ignore and not read their post.

 

Many people on this thread disagree with a lot of my posts. I recognise that they have the same rights to post as I do. I either accept it, or simply ignore it.

 

I know that their mind is firmly made up and will not change. what I try hard NOT to do is insult or denigrate that poster.

 

If you don't like a posters stance on a subject, so what, it is HIS stance and not yours.

Thumbs up for that post. Seems some posters have nothing more than insults to offer. Not much out there on world media to prove that israel is on the side of the angels.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thumbs up for that post. Seems some posters have nothing more than insults to offer. Not much out there on world media to prove that israel is on the side of the angels.

How would you know, you have most posters on ignore.........lol

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 8:10 PM, RuamRudy said:

 

I have never screamed such a statement as it does not sit with my stance on the matter. 

So again, how does one register their objections to the illegal actions of the state of Israel without having slurs of anti Semitism thrown at them?

 

 

I am. Can you try being less arrogant and patronising?

Excellent post, especially the last sentence.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 8:56 PM, WhatMeWorry said:

All the Labour Party globalist, socialist, woke supporters will hang glide into the event.

From that post I have no idea which side you are on. Please make it obvious so I can respond appropriately.

[Wobblybob]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thumbs up for that post. Seems some posters have nothing more than insults to offer. Not much out there on world media to prove that israel is on the side of the angels.

Are you the official AN vetter of posts now, you can't possibly know what other posters think if you have them on ignore.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 9:31 PM, nauseus said:

 

Complaining about murderous attacks on one side while not complaining about the barbarism by the other side that started this off, is even greater hypocrisy IMO.

Given that it was "started off" in 1948 and has only gotten worse, I understand why they did what they did. I'm not saying it wasn't wrong, but IMO the oppression by the israelis for many decades made something like it inevitable. Treat people badly, humiliate them daily, deprive them of any hope for the future, murder their children, steal their land for illegal settlements under the protection of heavily armed soldiers, lock them up in the world's biggest prison and when they protest send in tanks and murder thousands of them, but expect them to not resist is hypocrisy writ large, IMO.

 

The biggest problem though, is that israelis are contaminated with hatred for Palestinians, and brutalised by having to serve in a military which is used primarily to oppress millions of people simply for being born Palestinian. That is called racism, where I'm from.

 

I doubt I can persuade you or any of your ilk to see things from a Palestinian point of view, but walking in someone else's shoes is the only way to understand them.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 9:33 PM, nauseus said:

That number, if true, is enough reason alone for the PP demo be banned this weekend. The police have no way to manage that.

Given the protest was peaceful you are IMO being melodramatic. The only problems were by right wing thugs trying to attack the protestors and easily dealt with by the cops, who arrested them.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 9:43 PM, nauseus said:

 

Demonstration Marshall? Who is that then?

They were the people wearing yellow jackets over their clothes. They didn't need to control the pro Palestinian protestors who were peaceful, unlike the thugs that tried to attack the protestors and were arrested by the cops.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/11/2023 at 9:52 PM, nauseus said:

 

Difficult. True. But by the same token how can one support the other side without being branded as far right?

Wouldn't far right be israeli supporters?

[Wobblybob]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

They were the people wearing yellow jackets over their clothes. They didn't need to control the pro Palestinian protestors who were peaceful, unlike the thugs that tried to attack the protestors and were arrested by the cops.

Even our Government law makers are not safe on the streets now, the mob baying for his blood, anybody that thinks yesterdays hate march was peaceful comes from a different planet than the rest of us.

 

 

[Wobblybob]

You really couldn't make this up, police arrest a man on remembrance Sunday for having the Union flag in his hands whilst people are given the green light to fly Hamas flags.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/12/2023 at 12:22 AM, nauseus said:

A one-sided protest in this way does not memorialize those who have died or been injured in other wars. These protests have only started since the fight back started against Hamas. 

and that is the great and everlasting shame of the western world that has ignored the atrocities that have been happening for over 30 years in the illegally occupied Palestinian land.

The protests should have been happening for 30 years.

Shame that it took this to let people know how the Palestinians have been humiliated, oppressed and murdered with impunity for so long.

 

One can only hope that it results in the expulsion of the illegal israeli settlers from the west bank and East Jerusalem, a genuine and viable free Palestinian state and reparations from israel for all it's crimes in illegally occupied Palestine.

 

Netanyahu in the ICC would be good but unlikely.

[RayC]

10 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I guess you're right. It seems that 'ordinary' Muslims and those on the political left don't think all those Islamist terror atrocities are bad enough to warrant a protest. 

 

Why single out 'ordinary' Muslims and those on the political left? It also implies that 'ordinary' Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, etc and those on the political right aren't concerned enough to organise a protest.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/12/2023 at 12:35 AM, The Cyclist said:

Scuffles broke out already between the Police and the peaceful demonstrators trying to reach the Cenotaph.

 

Let loose the snarling dogs.

You need to prove that. I've seen zero reports of protestors causing trouble, though right wing thugs were and were arrested for it.

Edited November 13, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[NextG]

Extremists like JonnyF perhaps don’t see themselves as extremists. An extremist is so far to one end that they will refuse to accept any truth that doesn’t align with their extremist beliefs. That’s different from someone who has a genuine belief, but who is able to modify their stance in the face of overwhelming evidence. But you can spot the extremists, because they no matter what, they don’t change nor modify their language, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. No point in trying to have balanced and educated discussions with such people. Too much like arguing with a woman who is constantly moving the goalposts ☺️

[RayC]

19 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You really couldn't make this up, police arrest a man on remembrance Sunday for having the Union flag in his hands whilst people are given the green light to fly Hamas flags.

 

 

 

Flying a Union Jack is not  a criminal offence, so he must have been arrested for a real offence.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, RayC said:

 

Flying a Union Jack is not  a criminal offence, so he must have been arrested for a real offence.

You don't know that, maybe the police were frightened it upset the mob carrying their ISIS and Hamas flags.

[Wobblybob]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You need to prove that. I've seen zero reports of protestors causing trouble, though right wing thugs were and were arrested for it.

Many posters have shown the trouble that the hate mob have caused but when you block everyone that doesn't share your utopian ideals you will miss it and just wander about in your self made security zone.

[NextG]

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You don't know that, maybe the police were frightened it upset the mob carrying their ISIS and Hamas flags.

Similarly with you. Always arguing at the extremes. Truth nor logic plays no part. Simply a Troll…

[NextG]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Many posters have shown the trouble that the hate mob have caused but when you block everyone that doesn't share your utopian ideals you will miss it and just wander about in your self made security zone.

Troll as per usual. Not interested in exchanging real information but only pushing for a hate-filled environment. EDF member?

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Many posters have shown the trouble that the hate mob have caused but when you block everyone that doesn't share your utopian ideals you will miss it and just wander about in your self made security zone.

I haven’t blocked you.

 

I’ve not read a single sensible post from your, or even a post that appears to be an attempt at sensible and considered.

 

Blocking you would deny me the opportunity to call out your parroting of rightwing extremist views, I would want to miss out on that. 

[RayC]

28 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You don't know that, maybe the police were frightened it upset the mob carrying their ISIS and Hamas flags.

 

The fact that the individual was arrested whilst carrying a Union Jack is neither here nor there. He could just as easily been carrying a shopping bag. Neither action is a criminal offence.

 

The clip which you reposted claimed that the individual was arrested for flying a Union Jack. The onus is on you to supply supporting evidence to support this claim.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

That's a very one sided interpretation.

 

"The slogan has been used by Palestinians, Israelis and their supporters. For the Palestinian side, the slogan has come to be interpreted by some as advocating for a single democratic Palestinian state encompassing what is today Israel and the Palestinian territories, where individuals of all religions would have equal citizenship.

The slogan's usage by Palestinian militant groups have led to claims by critics that the slogan is antisemitic, calling for the dismantling of Israel and denying Jewish self-determination, or that it advocates for their removal or extermination, It has come under scrutiny in the United States and Europe, including being criminalized in some countries."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Too late to edit, more on the chant here.

https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49

 

More like a contrived attempt at twisting things - it's quite obvious what it's about in the context of the protests. It's quite obvious that there is no much future for such a one-state nonsense. It's very obvious Palestinians aren't much invested in democracy and human rights. I doubt most of the people marching could articulate anything semi-coherent and fact-based on these matters.

 

You want to ignore the more obvious and accessible meaning carried, that's up to you. Go on and tell me more about that fabled one-democratic-state-with-equal-rights-for-all thing. Take a look at the ME and find a place where this worked out nicely.