Trump's legal defeat in Colorado may turn into political gold

[Danderman123]

57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You keep avoiding providing proof. Is that because you don't have any?

Ummm....you do realize that there are dozens of felony charges against the coup planners.

 

I'll let the prosecutors prove it to the juries.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Colorado has ensured that their votes are no longer significant.  They can save themselves the expense of a state campaign and election by simply rubber-stamping the outcomes of New York and California.  Doesn't matter if 99.9% of their votes go to candidate A, if candidate B is popular on the coast.

 

You can virtue signal all you want by changing the rules in Colorado, as for now, odds are a democrat will win the Colorado vote.  The new law won't change the outcome of where Colorado's electoral votes will go.

 

For now.  But wait until the glove is on the another foot!

 

When Trump, or some other republican wins the national popular vote, they'll be happy to accept the electoral votes of democrat-leaning Colorado, potentially giving them the (p)residency.

 

Actions have consequences.  You can try to rig the system, but sometimes the underlying factors radically change.

 

CO is highly likely to vote Dem, right? So the only way this ruling could make any difference since CO is a winner take all state is if Trump wins and the new law forces their all blue electoral college votes to turn red. Why wouldn't you like that?

[Danderman123]

51 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If there actually was a plot, there must be proof of such, but you have refused to provide any proof. Ergo there was no plot.

Wow.

 

Let's look at reality this way:

 

Do you understand that there are dozens of felony charges pending against the coup plotters, and that some have already pled guilty?

 

Or FOX News hasn't announced that yet?

 

You guys are wasting everyone's time claiming you don't know anything about these widely reported inductments.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

widely reported in the news.

 

What part of it don't you believe?

 

It???

 

To partially quote one of your ilk who posts on here: "you've got nothing".

 

 

[Dan O]

On 12/23/2023 at 12:27 PM, ozimoron said:

More than half of Americans approve of Colorado ruling to bar Trump from state’s ballot: Poll

 

More than half of Americans approve of a Colorado Supreme Court ruling to bar former President Trump from the state’s primary ballot, citing the 14th Amendment, according to a YouGov poll released Wednesday.

The online survey, published just a day after the ruling, found that 54 percent of respondents either strongly or somewhat approve of the decision, with 35 percent disapproving.

 

Independents were split, but a larger proportion support the decision, 48 percent to 35 percent.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4370878-over-half-americans-approve-colorado-ruling-barring-trump-states-ballot/

And the unspoken fact that of the 6 people that brought theoriginal lawsuit 4 were Republicans looking to "bring honesty back to politics". 

[Danderman123]

56 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Interestingly, Colorado recently passed a law to grant all electoral votes to the candidate with the largest national vote count, effectively disenfranchising Colorado voters.

 

Under Colorado's Prop 113, if Brandon wins the popular vote in Colorado, but Trump wins the national popular vote, then Trump gets all of Colorado's electoral votes.

 

Not exactly, but educating you on this point is beyond the scope of this topic.

[Danderman123]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

It???

 

To partially quote one of your ilk who posts on here: "you've got nothing".

 

 

"Trump just realized a couple of days before January 6 that Pence wouldn't follow orders and rule in favor of Trump's fake electors.

 

So, they had to find a way to dispose of Pence and let Grassley preside over the certification."

 

 

Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes

 

Breaking news for Nauseous, but everyone else knew all about this.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Danderman123

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Not exactly, but educating you on this point is beyond the scope of this topic.

 

Quote

Colorado Proposition 113, National Popular Vote Interstate Compact Referendum (2020)

 

A "yes" vote supported Colorado joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would give the state’s nine electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the national popular vote if states representing at least 270 Electoral College votes adopt the compact.

 

A "no" vote opposed making Colorado part of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC), thereby continuing to give the state's nine electoral votes to the presidential candidate winning the most votes in Colorado.

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Proposition_113,_National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact_Referendum_(2020)

 

Under Prop 113, if Brandon gets 90% of the Colorado vote, and Trump barely gets the national popular vote with 50.01%, Trump would gain all 9 of Colorado's electors.

[NoDisplayName]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

CO is highly likely to vote Dem, right? So the only way this ruling could make any difference since CO is a winner take all state is if Trump wins and the new law forces their all blue electoral college votes to turn red. Why wouldn't you like that?

 

I don't want to disenfranchise the majority of Colorado voters.

I don't agree with their selection, but I respect their choice.

 

I, Shirley, hope Texas doesn't use this underhanded method to steal MY vote against Trump.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

 

Under Prop 113, if Brandon gets 90% of the Colorado vote, and Trump barely gets the national popular vote with 50.01%, Trump would gain all 9 of Colorado's electors.

Not exactly, but this is off topic.

 

[NoDisplayName]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Not exactly, but this is off topic.

 

 

It's spot on.  Using legal tactics to subvert the system.

 

Trump had a trial in Congress and was acquitted.

 

Now we let the people decide.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

It's spot on.  Using legal tactics to subvert the system.

 

Trump had a trial in Congress and was acquitted.

 

Now we let the people decide.

 

No, the appellate courts still get to decide.

 

“It will be crystal clear to the American public that it’s the Constitution of the United States that’s disqualifying the former president from higher office, if he is to be disqualified,” he continued.

 

The Colorado Supreme Court determined that Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 Capitol riots and should be disqualified from the ballot via the 14th Amendment. 

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4375353-former-federal-judge-the-constitution-will-disqualify-trump-from-higher-office-not-joe-biden/

Edited December 24, 2023 by ozimoron

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

No, the appellate courts still get to decide.

 

“It will be crystal clear to the American public that it’s the Constitution of the United States that’s disqualifying the former president from higher office, if he is to be disqualified,” he continued. “It’s not President Joe Biden. It’s not the Democrats. It’s not the anti-Trumpers.”

 

The Colorado Supreme Court determined that Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 Capitol riots and should be disqualified from the ballot via the 14th Amendment. 

 

That quote was not from the Colorado Supreme Court decision.

That quote was not from an active federal judge.

You did not cite a source, apparently implying with the second paragraph that was from the court decision.

 

Trump was impeached and acquitted, thus I'm sure the Supreme Court will overrule this.

 

And the people will be able to defeat Trump in a fair election.

 

Democracy.

[Danderman123]

18 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

It's spot on.  Using legal tactics to subvert the system.

 

Trump had a trial in Congress and was acquitted.

 

Now we let the people decide.

Proposition 113 will not take effect during the 2024 election.

 

Please don't hijack this topic.

[cdemundo]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:54 PM, nauseus said:

 

You think that overall approval of this in CO is a shock? It's a blue state!

 

This poll won't make any difference to Trump's "brand" and will probably be reversed anyway.

 

 

I don't think the poll that is quoted was restricted to Colorado.

Even still, polls....

[ozimoron]

18 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That quote was not from the Colorado Supreme Court decision.

That quote was not from an active federal judge.

You did not cite a source, apparently implying with the second paragraph that was from the court decision.

 

Trump was impeached and acquitted, thus I'm sure the Supreme Court will overrule this.

 

And the people will be able to defeat Trump in a fair election.

 

Democracy.

 

I cited the source. It was an opinion by a former federal judge. A conservative one.

[nauseus]

39 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

"Trump just realized a couple of days before January 6 that Pence wouldn't follow orders and rule in favor of Trump's fake electors.

 

So, they had to find a way to dispose of Pence and let Grassley preside over the certification."

 

 

Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes

 

Breaking news for Nauseous, but everyone else knew all about this.

 

This link goes nowhere, which seems to be your destination too.

[cdemundo]

On 12/23/2023 at 10:07 AM, placeholder said:

You mean damage like this?

The US economy is doing way better than the rest of the rich world

The US is performing much better than many other wealthy nations when comparing economic growth and inflation rates.
The US had the highest GDP growth since the start of the pandemic among the G7 countries, an informal group of industrialized democracies.
This data further suggests the US is not heading toward a recession.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-economy-doing-way-better-than-rest-of-rich-world-2023-7

 

Economy is going well but apparently the man in the street does not believe it.

[impulse]

Dems better be careful what they wish for.  Between Biden's malfeasance at the southern border, and Kamala's support for DC rioters who attempted to assassinate the president, they may not have a slate in 2024 if they're held to the same standard.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/01/trump-took-shelter-in-a-white-house-bunker-as-protests-raged.html

 

 

"That's right. But they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop, and this is a movement, I'm telling you.

"They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she continued. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day.

 

That sure sounds like support for rioters who did their best to assassinate the President.  Of course, she walked it back a few months later and all was forgiven...

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/15/fact-check-quotes-democratic-leaders-riots-out-context/6588222002/

 

 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

 

Economy is going well but apparently the man in the street does not believe it.

I've read that it takes people time to adjust to a new plateau. But if inflation remains low, that disbelief should fade.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

 

Economy is going well but apparently the man in the street does not believe it.

 

It may well be true depending where you live

 

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/america-has-two-economies-and-theyre-diverging-fast/

[cdemundo]

32 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That quote was not from the Colorado Supreme Court decision.

That quote was not from an active federal judge.

You did not cite a source, apparently implying with the second paragraph that was from the court decision.

 

Trump was impeached and acquitted, thus I'm sure the Supreme Court will overrule this.

 

And the people will be able to defeat Trump in a fair election.

 

Democracy.

 

The quote was from former Federal Judge and informal adviser to Pence,  Michael Luttig.

He was discussing the Colorado decision on MSNBC.

He did not seem to predict disqualification saying "if he is to be disqualified".

The words "thinking about it seriously" seem to be key.

 

' “It is a natural and expected reaction by all Americans,” to think in terms of politics, Luttig said, “But upon thinking about it seriously, I think it’s crystal clear.”

“It will be crystal clear to the American public that it’s the Constitution of the United States that’s disqualifying the former president from higher office, if he is to be disqualified,” he continued. “It’s not President Joe Biden. It’s not the Democrats. It’s not the anti-Trumpers.”

The Colorado Supreme Court determined that Trump was responsible for the Jan. 6 Capitol riots and should be disqualified from the ballot via the 14th Amendment. '

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4375353-former-federal-judge-the-constitution-will-disqualify-trump-from-higher-office-not-joe-biden/

[NoDisplayName]

26 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Proposition 113 will not take effect during the 2024 election.

 

Please don't hijack this topic.

 

Prop 113 was approved by the voters and signed into law by the governor of Colorado in 2019.

 

It's law.

 

It may or not take effect in the next election, depending on how many other states wish to subvert the constitution.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That quote was not from the Colorado Supreme Court decision.

That quote was not from an active federal judge.

You did not cite a source, apparently implying with the second paragraph that was from the court decision.

 

Trump was impeached and acquitted, thus I'm sure the Supreme Court will overrule this.

 

And the people will be able to defeat Trump in a fair election.

 

Democracy.

Whatever arguments there are in favor of overturning the Colorado Supreme Court's decision will not be overturned on the basis that Trump wasn't convicted by the Senate. Even if he was convicted, that would still be irrelevant.  Impeachment and a Senate trial are  entirely a legislative functions. They are not criminal trials. They have no connection to the Executive branch and the Dept. of Justice.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

This link goes nowhere, which seems to be your destination too.

January 6 indictment

 

Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes

[JensenZ]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:04 PM, Eric Loh said:

<deleted> has hit the fan mate. Majority of Coloradan agreed with the court decision. Even among Republicans,24% agreed. Discontent and confusion happening towards the primary. All adding up to the downward slide of the Trump's brand towards 2024.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ballot-disqualification-polling-1854359

The decision was a disaster from the Democratic Party's POV... if you dig a bit deeper, 3 of the 7 Democratic-appointed judges voted against it. They couldn't even get a consensus among their party. Three Democratic judges understand that states cannot control a Federal election - that's a good thing.

 

There is little doubt this will be shot down in the Supreme Court. If not, there might not be a Federal Election next year as states play tit-for-tat, with Republican states taking Biden off the ballot. 

Edited December 24, 2023 by JensenZ

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

January 6 indictment

 

Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes

 

From your own link :

 

Grassley’s staff later said that was a “misinterpretation” and that Pence was expected to be there.

 

 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, cdemundo said:

 

Economy is going well but apparently the man in the street does not believe it.

That will change as the campaign progresses.

 

It seems to me very few here have even watched a presidential campaign. We've got the MAGA nuts all excited about early polls.

[Danderman123]

57 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

From your own link :

 

Grassley’s staff later said that was a “misinterpretation” and that Pence was expected to be there.

 

 

So, Grassley's staff covered for him. They cleaned it up a bit after Grassley let the cat out of the bag.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

So, Grassley's staff covered for him. They cleaned it up a bit after Grassley let the cat out of the bag.

 

Not even a nice try - the cat must have got neutered - Pence showed up.