Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) This notion that the best of a worst set of options was to do nothing is about as off the wall as the mad hatter. Of course action was needed: UK had no choice but to strike Houthis - Cameron Their attacks on cargo ships - some of which have no clear connection to Israel - have led major shipping companies to divert vessels away from the Red Sea, instead taking a longer route around southern Africa. Lord Cameron said the UK took part in the strikes to defend "freedom of navigation". He also suggested Britain could strike Houthi targets again if their attacks continued. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67972796 Edited January 14 by metisdead 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: This notion that the best of a worst set of options was to do nothing is about as off the wall as the mad hatter. Of course action was needed: UK had no choice but to strike Houthis - Cameron Their attacks on cargo ships - some of which have no clear connection to Israel - have led major shipping companies to divert vessels away from the Red Sea, instead taking a longer route around southern Africa. Lord Cameron said the UK took part in the strikes to defend "freedom of navigation". He also suggested Britain could strike Houthi targets again if their attacks continued. "If the Houthis deny this passage to ships, vital supply chains are threatened and prices will go up in Britain and across the globe," he said. "We will work with allies. We will always defend the freedom of navigation. And, crucially, we will be prepared to back words with actions." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67972796 The best course of action was peace. Israel stop bombing and negotiate a peaceful resolution and the Houtis will stop the attacks. They only started as a retaliation against Israel for the war crimes. They said so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: The best course of action was peace. Israel stop bombing and negotiate a peaceful resolution and the Houtis will stop the attacks. They only started as a retaliation against Israel for the war crimes. They said so. Well obviously. Had Hamas not carried out Oct 7th this would not be happening. Had Hamas carried out the UN Security Council Resolutiion to release hostages with no pre conditions then this may have been avoided 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Well obviously. Had Hamas not carried out Oct 7th this would not be happening. Had Hamas carried out the UN Security Council Resolutiion to release hostages with no pre conditions then this may have been avoided Whatever but it's in Israel's hands only to stop the Houti attacks. The US and allies can't. All they can do is escalate and drag Iran into a war it doesn't want. Not to mention Saudi Arabia is probably about to get some oil tanks blown up again. Releasing hostages unconditionally was never going to be a starter. Hamas may be terrorists but they aren't insane. They attacked Israel on October 7th for a reason. 50 years or more of human rights violations, extrajudicial killings and theft of land. Edited January 14 by ozimoron 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The best course of action was peace. Israel stop bombing and negotiate a peaceful resolution and the Houtis will stop the attacks. They only started as a retaliation against Israel for the war crimes. They said so. @ozimoron More nonsense. Is Hamas open to any meaningful 'peaceful resolution'? And what would prevent the Houthis from pulling up the same trick next time they (or Iran) want something? As for 'they said so' - seems like you're very trusting when you choose to be. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Whatever but it's in Israel's hands only to stop the Houti attacks. The US and allies can't. All they can do is escalate and drag Iran into a war it doesn't want. Not to mention Saudi Arabia is probably about to get some oil tanks blown up again. Whatever That does not really cut it now does it. So back to my post, there was no other option. Its on Hamas hands to stop this war today Edited January 14 by Bkk Brian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Whatever but it's in Israel's hands only to stop the Houti attacks. The US and allies can't. All they can do is escalate and drag Iran into a war it doesn't want. Not to mention Saudi Arabia is probably about to get some oil tanks blown up again. @ozimoron So now you try to spin things as if this too is Israel's doing? Hamas attacked Israel, not the other way around. That was what 7/10 was about. The Houthis are holding maritime traffic ransom for their political agenda. You seem to be ok with both, so long as you can blame Israel. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Whatever That does not really cut it now does it. So back to my post, there was no other option Nothing prevents Israel from stopping the war crimes right now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Morch Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 Just now, ozimoron said: Nothing prevents Israel from stopping the war crimes right now. @ozimoron Other than Hamas not being into the sort of negotiations you imply. And hostages still being held. And Hamas agenda not being about peace. What you wish for is appeasement and surrender - to Hamas, to the Houthis. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Releasing hostages unconditionally was never going to be a starter. Hamas may be terrorists but they aren't insane. They attacked Israel on October 7th for a reason. 50 years or more of human rights violations, extrajudicial killings and theft of land. Oh another one of your add on edits carried out after replying. Yes Hamas are insane, that's exactly what they are or maybe you missed the mutilations and tortures they carried out, maybe you missed they are still holding women and children. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Nothing prevents Israel from stopping the war crimes right now. Said the Hamas spokesman parroted by you when its Hamas that has refused the ceasefires 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Said the Hamas spokesman parroted by you when its Hamas that has refused the ceasefires As far as I know the Israeli offer of a ceasefire is predicated on unconditional surrender and release of the hostages. They aren't negotiating in good faith if that's true. Edited January 14 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, ozimoron said: As far as I know the Israeli offer of a ceasefire is predicated on unconditional surrender and release of the hostages. They aren't negotiating in good faith if that's true. You do not know a lot then. Why not look it up instead 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: You do not know a lot then. Why not look it up instead I only need to if you are asserting that what I said was not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 34 minutes ago, ozimoron said: As far as I know the Israeli offer of a ceasefire is predicated on unconditional surrender and release of the hostages. They aren't negotiating in good faith if that's true. The latest attempt at a ceasefire was a plan proposed by Egypt. So far neither side has accepted or made a counter proposal. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/27/1221761431/gaza-israel-ceasefire-palestinians-war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Hawaiian said: The latest attempt at a ceasefire was a plan proposed by Egypt. So far neither side has accepted or made a counter proposal. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/27/1221761431/gaza-israel-ceasefire-palestinians-war Proposals by Egypt are not Israel negotiating., 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: Proposals by Egypt are not Israel negotiating., So furnish a link showing what Israel has proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, ozimoron said: I only need to if you are asserting that what I said was not true. Read the topic you are in. It's been discussed. Read the other topics. Been discussed. Don't look to me to confirm your thoughts one way or the other. What you need I am not obligated to provide for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Bkk Brian said: Read the topic you are in. It's been discussed. Read the other topics. Been discussed. Don't look to me to confirm your thoughts one way or the other. What you need I am not obligated to provide for you. go it. Not going to give a simple yes or no because you know you are wrong. Not going to give a link to disprove my assertion. Standard playbook for you. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said: The latest attempt at a ceasefire was a plan proposed by Egypt. So far neither side has accepted or made a counter proposal. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/27/1221761431/gaza-israel-ceasefire-palestinians-war Actually the Qatar is the latest: Israel Discusses Qatari Proposal to End Gaza War Israel is considering a new Qatari proposal aimed at ending the war and withdrawing the Israeli army from the Gaza Strip in exchange for releasing all Israeli detainees and exiling Hamas leaders from the enclave. Hamas did not immediately comment, but informed sources told Asharq Al-Awsat that the movement would reject the proposal if it were true. https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/4782496-israel-discusses-qatari-proposal-end-gaza-war 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: go it. Not going to give a simple yes or no because you know you are wrong. Not going to give a link to disprove my assertion. Standard playbook for you. You got it, I don't entertain your baits, 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hawaiian Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Proposals by Egypt are not Israel negotiating., If you read the article, you would have seen this, "Israel offered no immediate public response to the revised plan." Your response appeared about a minute after my post, so I rather doubt you even bothered to read the article. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Actually the Qatar is the latest: Israel Discusses Qatari Proposal to End Gaza War Israel is considering a new Qatari proposal aimed at ending the war and withdrawing the Israeli army from the Gaza Strip in exchange for releasing all Israeli detainees and exiling Hamas leaders from the enclave. Hamas did not immediately comment, but informed sources told Asharq Al-Awsat that the movement would reject the proposal if it were true. https://english.aawsat.com/arab-world/4782496-israel-discusses-qatari-proposal-end-gaza-war Thank you. I didn't see anything in the article about an Israeli acceptance, rejection or counter proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ozimoron said: go it. Not going to give a simple yes or no because you know you are wrong. Not going to give a link to disprove my assertion. Standard playbook for you. Where is the link I requested? If you can't find the link because there is none, just say so. Edited January 14 by Hawaiian Additional comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said: Where is the link I requested? Hamas required a complete caesefire as I said. Unless you contest or provide a link to the contrary one isn't necessary for an event that has been linked previously (also your excuse) and is widely known even among those who can barely read. You're just baiting. Edited January 14 by ozimoron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiian Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Hamas required a complete caesefire as I said. Unless you contest or provide a link to the contrary one isn't necessary for an event that has been linked previously (also your excuse) and is widely known even among those who can barely read. You're just baiting. Look what I just reeled in. A sore looser! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Hawaiian said: Look what I just reeled in. A sore looser! The entire world knows that Hamas demanded a complete ceasefire. Except you. I can't believe you are unaware. You are baiting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: As far as I know the Israeli offer of a ceasefire is predicated on unconditional surrender and release of the hostages. They aren't negotiating in good faith if that's true. @ozimoron Well, you're not posting in good faith either. Because you keep addressing one side, while ignoring the other. This is not how negotiations work. This might come as a shock to you, but sides opening positions are not always where negotiations end. Hamas got strong demands, Israel got strong demands - you seem totally focused on one set, ignoring the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 39 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Proposals by Egypt are not Israel negotiating., @ozimoron Unless you missed it, there are no direct negotiations by sides. It's always been this way. As for your standing nonsense - proposals by Egypt are not Hamas negotiating. What was your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The entire world knows that Hamas demanded a complete ceasefire. Except you. I can't believe you are unaware. You are baiting. Of course it wants a frigging ceasefire, its getting pummeled! Hamas is in no position to demand anything when it still holds hostages and uses Gazans as human shields. They are terrorists, their demands are well documented, to rid Israel of all Jews and repeat Oct 7th again and again. Edited January 14 by Bkk Brian 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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