New Covid JN.1 Strain Sweeping Thailand

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, Negita43 said:

a country where mask wearing is part of the culture of caring for other's welfare.

Sounds like something straight out of a TAT promotional video.   There is no culture here of caring for others welfare  Have you seen how they drive,  

Edited January 11 by Bday Prang

[NoshowJones]

Is this the medical profession thinking back to the Chinese virus and how a lot of their pockets were filled, and are now looking for a repeat.

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, peter48 said:

The thing is even if many people have mild or moderate  covid or flu for several days there will be some with more serious issues that when they get hit with heavy respiratory infection of the lungs will end up seriously ill and need to go to hospital. And that's still happening with now more serious admissions recently reported across Europe. Take care especially the older  old. 

indeed , what was the average of death ? 82 ?  

[Bday Prang]

9 hours ago, stoner said:

People who get infected by this new stain have mild symptoms with some only having a cold and sore throat like common respiratory infections.

But but but its so much more infectious,  they say that every time,  The next version will be transmitted just by whining about it on internet forums, so make sure you mask up before you log on , if it saves just one life it will be worth it

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Ah yes, there's that precise scientific term "vastly" once again.

 

Synonyms include, "gigantic", "enormous" and "whopping".

more likely to be horrific , terrifying, petrifying

[Phil1964]

FFS Thailand move on. 

We live with it now.

 

Still anything adverse about Thailand quells the Chinese hordes from visiting! Oops, but there's a vital revenue stream for your economy, or so it would seem.

 

Tomorrow's headline, "TAT reviews Chinese visitor numbers in light of covid battles".

[thecyclist]

9 hours ago, stoner said:

People who get infected by this new stain have mild symptoms with some only having a cold and sore throat like common respiratory infections.

Most of them are completely asymptomatic. Won't even be aware of their infection. 

[roquefort]

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And yet you felt compelled to post relatively meaningless statistics above from Worldometers in your attempt to minimize the real and current extent of the ongoing COVID presence in the world.

 

The most credible COVID statistics out there these days are new COVID hospitalizations and deaths, since those are more widely and credibly tracked and reported. But as the WHO notes, even those aren't being publicly reported in many places.

 

Which is the reason we have this:

 

The pandemic’s true death toll

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

Well, you just blew your own argument out of the water. Have you even considered how many of those excess deaths are due to the response to Covid? Depression, suicide, lockdown-induced drug and alcohol abuse, missed cancer diagnoses, vaccine injuries etc. The list is endless and unquantified, because no government wants to admit it got the response to Covid totally wrong.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

And yet you felt compelled to post relatively meaningless statistics above from Worldometers in your attempt to minimize the real and current extent of the ongoing COVID presence in the world.

 

The most credible COVID statistics out there these days are new COVID hospitalizations and deaths, since those are more widely and credibly tracked and reported. But as the WHO notes, even those aren't being publicly reported in many places.

 

Which is the reason we have this:

 

The pandemic’s true death toll

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

This article is behind a pay wall so full context can't be known, however, it would seem to be more about how covid deaths are determined and excess deaths.. Hard to know because you cherry picked a paywall article. This is the bit you didn't post..

 

"How many people have died because of the covid-19 pandemic? The answer depends both on the data available, and on how you define “because”. Many people who die while infected with SARS-CoV-2 are never tested for it, and do not enter the official totals. Conversely, some people whose deaths have been attributed to covid-19 had other ailments that might have ended their lives on a similar timeframe anyway. And what about people who died of preventable causes during the pandemic, because hospitals full of covid-19 patients could not treat them? If such cases count, they must be offset by deaths that did not occur but would have in normal times, such as those caused by flu or air pollution."

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

Edited January 11 by dinsdale

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, connda said:

So like, people who get this are dead for sure?

         Well there is always a lot of talk about the placebo effect and  apparently its well proven scientifically I  certainly believe there is something to be said for it and especially when combined with the power of positive thought, I doubt many would dismiss it '

So first question is ,  for relatively mild infections , why is a placebo not the first prescribed treatment, I think the answer to that  is something to to with the lost profits for the drug companies,

         Second question, have any of the "experts" both on here and in real life given any consideration, as to what the effect of putting the fear of god into people might be,  concerning their ability to overcome infections naturally. If there is a placebo effect , and I don't doubt that there is , it must work both ways.

          This constant scaremongering with charts and statistics is at best counterproductive and at worst downright dangerous  and should have  been stopped  years ago , In my opinion those responsible have a lot to answer for

[Bday Prang]

6 minutes ago, thecyclist said:

Most of them are completely asymptomatic. Won't even be aware of their infection. 

Mandatory testing  would soon put them into their misery.   Then with sufficient propaganda many will develop symptoms 

[Bday Prang]

33 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Is this the medical profession thinking back to the Chinese virus and how a lot of their pockets were filled, and are now looking for a repeat.

I was going to say that there is no more money left, but i guess they will just print some more.  This isn't over , nowhere near,    The actual virus part is , but now that its been seen how easy it is to control people through fear, and how much money there is to be made ,we may never hear the end of it.

The name Covid was just made up so that the rest of the world didn't refer to it "as chinese bat flu"  The word Covid is now associated with fear and wholesale death.  There is no reason why any of the less severe versions should share the same name, unless of course the intention is to keep the masses terrified.    It should in my opinion be given a new name that is less synonymous with terror

[Negita43]

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

7 hours ago, positivevibes said:

Some personal pandemic stats that I am proud of, despite 3 years of bullying and lies...

 

0 masks worn

0 injections taken

0 f____s given

Ditto.

Did you mean dotto?

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

61,217 recorded cases on the entire globe on Jan 9. Global population in 2023, 8,045,311,417. A very, very, very, very miniscule number in anyone's books.

That's the problem,   It's becoming obvious, that just like racism and all the other  "Phobias" allegedly going on in the world,  for a very very small number of people there just isn't enough covid .  and for some reason they feel it necessary to exaggerate it  with a plethora of charts and statistics

 that could have been drawn / collated by anybody  (official or not) to suit there own agenda, yet are presented as absolute facts . 

Since when did  anybody have such faith in, or express a   totally unquestioning, belief in  anything that governments tell them ?   Since they got scared perhaps

[flyingfox1]

$billions were lost in last lockdown are they. bothered about money ? seems not , wonder how many tourists have cancelled flights due to this new covid cough that’s been verified by a expert of high excellence… 

for every million bhat made on PPE a billion bhat will be lost in tourism…. smart thinking 🤭🏆

keep fear 

keep control 

 

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

That's the problem,   It's becoming obvious, that just like racism and all the other  "Phobias" allegedly going on in the world,  for a very very small number of people there just isn't enough covid .  and for some reason they feel it necessary to exaggerate it  with a plethora of charts and statistics

 that could have been drawn / collated by anybody  (official or not) to suit there own agenda, yet are presented as absolute facts . 

Since when did  anybody have such faith in, or express a   totally unquestioning, belief in  anything that governments tell them ?   Since they got scared perhaps

The truth is coming out about this whole, I would say crime against humanity, but the forces of censorship are wide spread and powerful and sadly people still believe what the read, hear and see in the mass media. Remember on this very site the term vaccine injury was banned and now it is a fact.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The truth is coming out about this whole, I would say crime against humanity, but the forces of censorship are wide spread and powerful and sadly people still believe what the read, hear and see in the mass media. Remember on this very site the term vaccine injury was banned and now it is a fact.

 

No, it's just more of your non-credible, entirely unsourced and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory ramblings as illustrated by your comment above -- "the truth is coming out," "crime against humanity," "forces of censorship," etc.

 

And no, this very site never flatly banned the term "vaccine injury" -- especially if the cited reference had any credible source, which typically, they did not. Because most so-inclined posters here rarely cite any credible source to substantiate anything that they're posting.

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

17 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The truth is coming out about this whole, I would say crime against humanity, but the forces of censorship are wide spread and powerful and sadly people still believe what the read, hear and see in the mass media. Remember on this very site the term vaccine injury was banned and now it is a fact.

 

Another thing is that most people find it very hard to admit they were wrong.

[Bday Prang]

17 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The truth is coming out about this whole, I would say crime against humanity, but the forces of censorship are wide spread and powerful and sadly people still believe what the read, hear and see in the mass media. Remember on this very site the term vaccine injury was banned and now it is a fact.

             

The whole truth will never come out and its probably only a relatively very small number of "influential " people that require the protection of the selective censorship, 

               People were intentionally panicked and panic is at least as infectious as covid is supposed to be,  Peoples reactions to panic are quite well known , children seek reassurance from their parents, Adults seek comfort in the advice from those  they perceive, ( and who claim to be) better informed, in this case laughably , governments . Two comfort blankets were provided, masks and vaccines.

               Anybody who questioned the validity of those, was seen, by those in fear, to be effectively  removing  their comfort blankets,  the almost violent response was therefore sadly predictable, and is even showing its self in this thread some 3 years later.

                

 

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[Bday Prang]

Not certain about "vaccine injury"  but "experimental  vaccine"  did not go down very well at all on this forum, which is bizarre because that's exactly what it was and still is,  Why was their an immunity  clause granted to them all ?   Didn't the Astra Zenneca one get withdrawn ?  

None of them prevented infection or transmission, the best they could come up with was "reduced the chances of"   and that was dependant on repeatedly injecting ones self every six months.   I was regularly described as an "anti vaxxer" or "denier"   just for doubting the effectiveness, despite making it clear I'd had 3  albeit reluctantly.  

[Bday Prang]

44 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And no, this very site never flatly banned the term "vaccine injury"

You seem very sure about that  How many people are you responsible for having suspended. just because they didn't agree with what you were preaching ?   

[VBF]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This article is behind a pay wall so full context can't be known, however, it would seem to be more about how covid deaths are determined and excess deaths.. Hard to know because you cherry picked a paywall article. This is the bit you didn't post..

 

"How many people have died because of the covid-19 pandemic? The answer depends both on the data available, and on how you define “because”. Many people who die while infected with SARS-CoV-2 are never tested for it, and do not enter the official totals. Conversely, some people whose deaths have been attributed to covid-19 had other ailments that might have ended their lives on a similar timeframe anyway. And what about people who died of preventable causes during the pandemic, because hospitals full of covid-19 patients could not treat them? If such cases count, they must be offset by deaths that did not occur but would have in normal times, such as those caused by flu or air pollution."

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

And thus the question "died with  Covid" or "died of"   Covid resurfaces again.

A question that, IMO was never answered satisfactorily and I'm guessing never will be.

[stoner]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 So your comments above regarding your symptoms would seem to be based on your guess that what you have is COVID...

 

And not on any real confirmation that what you have is actually COVID -- as opposed to a cold, the flu or who knows what else.

 

Which renders you judgments above about the severity of your symptoms pretty much irrelevant to the discussion here of actual COVID.

 

 

you literally did the exact same thing a few hours ago on this very thread. so awesome. which renders your judgement about the actual numbers reported by the government irrelevant. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

 "experimental  vaccine"  did not go down very well at all on this forum, which is bizarre because that's exactly what it was and still is,

 

A vaccine is no longer experimental once it has been formally approved by the jurisdiction country, as occurred around the world, including here in Thailand, with the original roll-out of the vaccines. In the U.S., the initial use of the vaccines was done under the established "Emergency Use Authorization" declaration, followed by formal approval:

 

First Pfizer:

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

Approval Signifies Key Achievement for Public Health

August 23, 2021

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

And then Moderna shortly thereafter:

 

FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

 

January 31, 2022

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine; the approved vaccine will be marketed as Spikevax for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-takes-key-action-approving-second-covid-19-vaccine

 

 

That's why, I would imagine, the use of the term "experimental vaccine" may have been considered misleading and inaccurate.

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, VBF said:

And thus the question "died with  Covid" or "died of"   Covid resurfaces again.

A question that, IMO was never answered satisfactorily and I'm guessing never will be.

 

An "uncomfortable" question indeed, as is the one regarding the vaccination status of people hospitalised and dying. They have not been reported since early 2023, and quite understandably so: imagine if we were to discover that it is the multi-jabbed who are clogging and burdening the healthcare system. Not very good, narrative-wise!

[Bday Prang]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A vaccine is no longer experimental once it has been formally approved by the jurisdiction country, as occurred around the world with the original roll-out of the vaccines. In the U.S., the initial use of the vaccines was done under the established "Emergency Use Authorization" declaration, followed by formal approval:

 

First Pfizer:

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

Approval Signifies Key Achievement for Public Health

August 23, 2021

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

And then Moderna shortly thereafter:

 

FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

 

January 31, 2022

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine; the approved vaccine will be marketed as Spikevax for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-takes-key-action-approving-second-covid-19-vaccine

 

You may be convinced I am not,   And why would an "approved" vaccine be withdrawn?   That really inspires confidence doesn't it, both in the vaccine and the reason given for its withdrawal whatever that might have allegedly been

Edited January 11 by Bday Prang

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

You may be convinced I am not,   And why would an "approved" vaccine be withdrawn?   That really inspires confidence doesn't it, both in the vaccine and the reason given for its withdrawal 

 

The AZ vaccine was never approved or EUA'd in the U.S. in the first place, so there was nothing to withdraw there.

 

AZ was withdrawn in the U.K., because it had a very rare side effect involving blood clotting -- too rare to surface in AZ's clinical trials involving tens of thousands of people -- that began to surface after its subsequent widespread use in the U.K. and Europe. And that use was, as a result, pretty quickly suspended.

 

And as a result, now after 3 years and 12+ billion total COVID vaccine doses later, it's the mRNA vaccines that remain in predominant and widespread use, and with an establish track record of very rare side effects that are far outweighed by the risks from COVID, according to public health authorities around the world.

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The AZ vaccine was never approved or EUA'd in the U.S. in the first place, so there was nothing to withdraw there.

 

AZ was withdrawn in the U.K., because it had a very rare side effect involving blood clotting -- too rare to surface in AZ's clinical trials involving tens of thousands of people -- that began to surface after its subsequent widespread use in the U.K. and Europe. And that use was, as a result, pretty quickly suspended.

 

And as a result, now after 3 years and 12+ billion total COVID vaccine doses later, it's the mRNA vaccines that remain in predominant and widespread use, and with an establish track record of very rare side effects that are far outweighed by the risks from COVID, according to public health authorities around the world.

 

 

 

 

And they would never lie, would they? After all, their track record is impeccable. This example (one of many others) from 2009 comes to mind:

 

Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

 

[Thai Visa Member 999999]

7 hours ago, stoner said:

 

so does 1000 other things in life now john. more people died in a single bus crash this week than covid. 

Using Thailand's dreadful traffic mortality as a comparison doesn't exactly buttress your point. That's probably the last thing you should cite in making a counter-argument.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And they would never lie, would they? After all, their track record is impeccable. This example (one of many others) from 2009 comes to mind:

 

Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

 

 

Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do, and they are responsible for assessing the safety, risks and benefits of medical treatments such as vaccines.  And billions of doses later with Pfizer, the established track record of benefit is pretty good.

 

"Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses [of all types] given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks."

...

"As for all medicines, reports of medical events after COVID-19 vaccination (suspected side effects) are collected and continuously evaluated by the authorities. These evaluations show that in most cases the medical events were not caused by the vaccine."

...

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines."

 

--International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA)

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK