sungod Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/11/2024 at 2:20 PM, Deez said: These "new" Covid variant articles are about as interesting as the latest daily tourist projections Yeah , I hear you. I'm off to read another income tax thread to cheer myself up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post greg71 Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 Even chula and rangsit unis have come out today and said that the so called vaccines cause deaths and serious illnesses , along with them saying the government has concealed the excess deaths of the population . Check out BP online as its the headline article at the moment . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, greg71 said: Even chula and rangsit unis have come out today and said that the so called vaccines cause deaths and serious illnesses , along with them saying the government has concealed the excess deaths of the population . Check out BP online as its the headline article at the moment . No . What they said is that they may cause disease and death. Not that they definately do . They add that the vaccines ' might let hidden diseases surface . This is not categorical. A bit like with Covid itself. It may cause death but then again in most people it probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 There are certain potential side effects of COVID vaccines that have been well documented by researchers / health authorities around the world, although all the available evidence thus far says those are VERY rare and the risks of those are far, far exceeded by the risks from COVID. Since the vaccines became available in late 2020, more than 12 BILLION doses have been administered around the world. If something more problematic were occurring with them, you wouldn't necessarily expect the notion of that to surface out of the blue three-plus years later from two doctors in Thailand. If something is going on, have the Thai doctors involved written up their findings for medical journal review and publication (no mention of that in the BP article)? And what's the evidence, if any, for their claim that some unstated / unknown parties are allegedly suppressing some kind of problematic findings? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: There are certain potential side effects of COVID vaccines that have been well documented by researchers / health authorities around the world, although all the available evidence thus far says those are VERY rare and the risks of those are far, far exceeded by the risks from COVID. Since the vaccines became available in late 2020, more than 12 BILLION doses have been administered around the world. If something more problematic were occurring with them, you wouldn't necessarily expect the notion of that to surface out of the blue three-plus years later from two doctors in Thailand. If something is going on, have the Thai doctors involved written up their findings for medical journal review and publication (no mention of that in the BP article)? And what's the evidence, if any, for their claim that some unstated / unknown parties here in Thailand are allegedly suppressing some kind of problematic findings? You have any proof they are wrong? NO, thought not. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg71 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: There are certain potential side effects of COVID vaccines that have been well documented by researchers / health authorities around the world, although all the available evidence thus far says those are VERY rare and the risks of those are far, far exceeded by the risks from COVID. Since the vaccines became available in late 2020, more than 12 BILLION doses have been administered around the world. If something more problematic were occurring with them, you wouldn't necessarily expect the notion of that to surface out of the blue three-plus years later from two doctors in Thailand. If something is going on, have the Thai doctors involved written up their findings for medical journal review and publication (no mention of that in the BP article)? And what's the evidence, if any, for their claim that some unstated / unknown parties here in Thailand are allegedly suppressing some kind of problematic findings? If they did report on such an issue they would maybe be charged under the less majeste law or struck off the medical registrar for such a deed . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 IMHO its all hype and con. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 22 minutes ago, greg71 said: If they did report on such an issue they would maybe be charged under the less majeste law or struck off the medical registrar for such a deed . You think popping up in a Bangkok Post article with mostly vague and unsourced claims is OK and consequence-free, but somehow the normal route of publishing in a medical journal detailing their findings for their peers to read and judge is going to have dire consequences? Edited January 14 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 31 minutes ago, sungod said: You have any proof they are wrong? NO, thought not. I'm not making the claims... They are.... I look forward to them actually documenting and proving their claims for their peers to read and judge in some medical/public health journal setting -- which is the way such things are normally vetted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungod Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: I'm not making the claims... They are.... I look forward to them actually documenting and proving their claims for their peers to read and judge in some medical/public health journal setting. But you are trying to rubbish them as they dont fit with your views..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sungod said: But you are trying to rubbish them as they dont fit with your views..... Just asking, where's the beef? Let's see whatever evidence, proof, medical findings they claim to have. Edited January 14 by TallGuyJohninBKK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/11/2024 at 11:21 AM, PJ71 said: So, the same as all the other variants. No, the early variants were more deadly, filling up hospitals and morgues in Italy, UK, India etc. Such ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liddelljohn Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I was told I have Covid but then they gave me antibiotics for my bad bronchitus in Pattaya bangkok hospital ?????,,, er Covid is a virus and antibiotics dont work on Viruses. But this year has seen a spike in a very nasty brochial cough bacteriol infection world wide that is treatable with antibiotics but the reccomended dose is now 4 weeks to clear the infection ,, its usually only 10-14 days dose .BPH now admit I did not have Covid but bacteria bronchitus like many many people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ71 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, jacko45k said: No, the early variants were more deadly, filling up hospitals and morgues in Italy, UK, India etc. Such ignorance. So it's even less of a problem right? thought so.... Such lack of common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negita43 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) The thing I have noticed over many years is that people are less and less inclined to be persuaded by evidence because there is so much conflicting evidence out there. So they choose the evidence that suits their belief. Evidence is now often used to support a pre-existing belief not as part of a process to come to a reasoned conclusion. Edited January 15 by stats foreign language removed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novacova Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) The antibodies cannot discern the difference of an antigen on an infected spike and an uninfected spike, why is this dangerous? Because it’s not targeted to a specific spike on the site and is distributed throughout the body in the blood. That alone should terrify anyone. Put it to a simple test, antibodies and antigen in a solution, what happens? Precipitin. Clumping. The booster antibodies clings to the ACE-2 receptor on healthy cells, now imagine that happening in brain cells and heart cells. mRNA is nothing to play with... This was pushed in panic mode by pharma and its investors who made a windfall. Edited January 15 by stats misinfo comments removed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fujionrye Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Had Covid last week (tested positive) and the only exposure I could have had was using the elevator to go to the pool. Under 30 seconds possible exposure so super contagious. Used Virx nasal spray and didn't get sick. I'm 5x vaccinated and done with boosters. More effective to have an unopened bottle of Virx on hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JemJem Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Well, here in Bangkok, I see fewer and fewer Thais wearing a mask each day. Outdoors, I would say, as a wild guess, maybe only 30-40 percent of Thais wear one nowadays. As for foreigners, maybe only 5-10 percent. Of course, these percentages go up, for example in public transportation. I have always been pro-vaccine and pro-mask (but also very much anti-lockdown and anti-curfew etc). I still wear the mask most of the time in Bangkok, but come on, it has been nearly 4 fecking years. Just like many Thais, I am also fed up of this mask thing. The Covid thing will never go away for good. It will continue to exist, with various variants. And, most probably, each variant will be less lethal and less hospitalizing than the previous one. Sad that I am still worried about it and still wear a mask, but I think that quite soon, I will stop wearing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 19 hours ago, PJ71 said: So it's even less of a problem right? thought so.... Such lack of common sense. You posted... Quote So, the same as all the other variants. Now you admit and agree with me it isn't..... can't you even retain a single logical line of thought ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ71 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 hours ago, jacko45k said: You posted... Now you admit and agree with me it isn't..... can't you even retain a single logical line of thought ? I don't agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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